Who will replace Harper? - Page 112

wg_flamip · #**2221** Posted **May 31, 2017, 11:38 PM**

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Leitch did pretty well among the South Asian populations. GTA ridings with large numbers of them (such as in Brampton and north Etobicoke) had pretty good results for her as well.

We mustn't conflate a candidate's performance in a diverse riding with their support in the (perceived) dominant ethnic group.

kwoldtimer · #**2222** Posted **Jun 6, 2017, 3:19 PM**

A question. Do people feel there is any substance to the complaints from the Bernier campaign (and others) about possible flaws in the leadership vote? It seems strange to me that there could be any substance to it but I'm wondering whether it will just fade away or whether it has the potential to taint Scheer's win in the public mind?

ssiguy · #**2223** Posted **Jun 6, 2017, 7:27 PM**

I think it's nothing more than Bernier being a bad loser.

kwoldtimer · #**2224** Posted **Jun 6, 2017, 9:31 PM**

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I think it's nothing more than Bernier being a bad loser.

No expectation of a role in any future Scheer government?

GlassCity · #**2225** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 4:24 AM**

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No expectation of a role in any future Scheer government?

I'm sure he'd get something, he was a minister in Harper's cabinet and has become a much bigger name through this race. But I think "any future Scheer government" is rather unlikely.

ssiguy · #**2226** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 7:27 AM**

^ I agree. I think the only person happier than Sheer about his own win is Trudeau.
He is very much indebted to the social conservative wing of the party and that wing won't let him forget it. This will mean he will never make any dent into the demographic they must try to win over.........women, young people, and urbanites.

Although Sheer, by all accounts seems to be quite a likeable and amiable character {which after Harper is a refreshing change}, he seems to be a leader that will only appeal to the converted. There was only one real contender that could have taken on Trudeau and maybe even have one but she wasn't in the race.

kwoldtimer · #**2227** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 12:15 PM**

I didn't mean to imply a Scheer election victory (although I'm of the "anything is possible" camp) but rather that most career politicians have an eye out to future opportunities for influence. In any event, I see that Bernier has disassociated himself from the complainers and confirmed his support for Scheer.

1overcosc · #**2228** Posted **Jun 7, 2017, 11:35 PM**

IMO, Scheer is unlikely to win in 2019 but if he does alright (same or better seat count) the party will probably let him stick around for another try in 2023.

eternallyme · #**2229** Posted **Jun 8, 2017, 1:20 AM**

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IMO, Scheer is unlikely to win in 2019 but if he does alright (same or better seat count) the party will probably let him stick around for another try in 2023.

I think reducing the Liberals to a minority would be considered a win for them, but if the NDP fall flat, then there isn't much room for the Liberals to fall to a minority without the Conservatives passing them in the seat count (or winning a majority for themselves).

1overcosc · #**2230** Posted **Jun 8, 2017, 2:10 AM**

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I think reducing the Liberals to a minority would be considered a win for them, but if the NDP fall flat, then there isn't much room for the Liberals to fall to a minority without the Conservatives passing them in the seat count (or winning a majority for themselves).

Honestly, I think simply gaining on the seat count could be considered a "win", or at least, enough of a win for Scheer to win. If the NDP fall flat and lose ~20 seats to the Liberals, it's possible for the Conservatives to in turn gain 20-30 seats from the Liberals (a not-too-shabby improvement from 99 seats to 120-130 seats), yet Trudeau would still have another majority. In such a scenario, I would think Scheer could be considered a success.

whatnext · #**2231** Posted **Aug 19, 2017, 2:36 PM**

LOL, fun to see Scheer desperately try to distance themselves from Rebel Media and their alt right audience.

kwoldtimer · #**2232** Posted **Aug 19, 2017, 4:12 PM**

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LOL, fun to see Scheer desperately try to distance themselves from Rebel Media and their alt right audience.

The good news is that he is doing so....

MonctonRad · #**2233** Posted **Aug 19, 2017, 4:17 PM**

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The good news is that he is doing so....

Indeed. The reality of conservative politics in Canada is far, far, FAR removed from the fascist variant practiced in the Excited States, but you will never be able to convince the leftist Trudeau apologists of this. When a new Conservative government is elected (probably in 2023), the sky will not fall.

Canada is not the United States.

kwoldtimer · #**2234** Posted **Aug 19, 2017, 4:28 PM**

By the way, totally time to change the title of this thread.

whatnext · #**2235** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 AM**

Oops, Max Bernier is telling tales out of school, labelling many Scheer supporters as "fake conservatives" in his new book. If he's right, our next PM might have been chosen by a handful of Quebec dairy farmers seeking to preserve an antiquated system that keeps dairy prices high for ordinary Canadians.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-release-book/

Loco101 · #**2236** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Oops, Max Bernier is telling tales out of school, labelling many Scheer supporters as "fake conservatives" in his new book. If he's right, our next PM might have been chosen by a handful of Quebec dairy farmers seeking to preserve an antiquated system that keeps dairy prices high for ordinary Canadians.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-release-book/

Scheer our next PM?

Scheer is a weak leader. Plus his French sucks. If you wrote that Bernier will be the next PM then I wouldn't be laughing... as much.

JHikka · #**2237** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:44 AM**

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Plus his French sucks.

Most of Canada doesn't care, TBH.

Loco101 · #**2238** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:51 AM**

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Most of Canada doesn't care, TBH.

Most of Canada can't stand Scheer. He's not appealing to the vast majority of Ontarians and Quebecers.

ssiguy · #**2239** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 6:44 AM**

Well I agree Sheer is not the most invigorating of leaders, I think his chances of winning the next election have soared in the last few months. Trudeau`s unpopular budget, flighty persona, and infamous trip to India has left a bad taste in nearly everyone`s mouth. He seems to have been transformed in the public eye from a positive and youthful leader to a drama queen in a shockingly short amount of time. His endless diversity speeches, patrician lifestyle, and non-stop Gay Pride marches are getting tiresome.

Acajack · #**2240** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 1:59 PM**

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Most of Canada doesn't care, TBH.

Yes and no.

*A lot of Canada* doesn't care. But about a quarter of Canada *does* care, plus in a not-insignificant part of Canada that is not francophone (often not speaking any French at all), a candidate's appeal in Quebec is a consideration people take in account when assessing his or her suitability for the PM job.

BTW though, I don't find Scheer's French is that bad.