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Old Posted Aug 29, 2015, 7:11 AM
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Yes, I saw that in NYC as well. It somehow seems that for stuff like that, you need to be in a dense, very large, metropolis/megalopolis type city.
I rather doubt that Vancouver would reach that stage for many, many decades.
I disagree. Vancouver's lengthy commuter skytrain route would benefit from aggregator stations for express trains to expedite long haul service. I for one would rather not have to stop at every intermediate station from end-to-end coming in from Surrey to downtown Vancouver.

Since Vancouver's trains are automated and driver-less, couldn't the express trains be programmed to 'pass' slower local trains by crossing over to the other side, then back again? Essentially weaving through slower traffic. I wonder if anyone has run a simulation of this?
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2015, 8:16 AM
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they used to have limited stopping trains in the past, i can remember getting on at granville, stopping at broadway and then not again until metrotown and so on
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2015, 11:18 PM
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It doesn't work as a concept when the train headways are short. There needs to be gaps in the line utilization to for express trains to fit in. Since skytrain depends on frequency for capacity instead of train length the idea is a non starter.

On the upside the trains move fast and accelerate like a scalded cock, so the benefit may not be all that large anyways.

Side note, I rode the RER today in Paris for the first time today. Not so fast I have to say.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2015, 11:29 PM
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It doesn't work as a concept when the train headways are short. There needs to be gaps in the line utilization to for express trains to fit in..............................
Side note, I rode the RER today in Paris for the first time today. Not so fast I have to say.
It depends which line you're taking. Line E is the fastest with a cruising speed of 120 k/h (and all double decker trains)
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2015, 11:47 AM
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Seems like no one had done this yet

Hypothetical fare table for SkyTrain distance-based fare, calculated based on:

- First 10km = $2.75, then $0.25 for every 3km
- A 5km link added between Metrotown and Brentwood to prevent a $3.50 fare when traveling within some stations in Burnaby
- A 3.2km link is added between VCC-Clark and Broadway-City Hall
- $2.50 add-fare for YVR; $0.50 add-fare for SeaBus, both directions

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Old Posted Nov 1, 2015, 1:12 AM
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Yeah. It's at Laurel. Spruce has a stairway to get between 6th and 7th (Choklit park)..................

When I was talking about regional rail (to switch gears), these are the types of trains I was talking about, Bombardier Talents. They can go 140 km/h or 160 km/h.

Mille Sabords
Loads of stuff just like it or better, on the market now! Perfect for longer distance commutes, as you mentioned.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2016, 12:01 AM
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So I discovered that the font used on TransLink's wayfinding signs is called "Meta"

Came up with this while playing around...

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Old Posted Jan 10, 2016, 5:49 AM
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So I discovered that the font used on TransLink's wayfinding signs is called "Meta"

Came up with this while playing around...

Dude, this is awesome!! Exactly how I would want the lines and future extensions to be.

By the way, what program did you use to make/edit the info graphics? I've wanted to get into making infographics lately but don't know the right software.
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It looks very professional and all, but it looks backwards. Or maybe its just me. Langley seems like it should be on the east side of the page, and the spur line should head north and on to Production Way.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2016, 8:32 PM
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Dude, this is awesome!! Exactly how I would want the lines and future extensions to be.

By the way, what program did you use to make/edit the info graphics? I've wanted to get into making infographics lately but don't know the right software.
Well I could have probably used any decent design program, but in this case I did it the old fashioned way by manually drawing out in GIMP

GIMP is free software, know how to use it and it can get you pretty far.

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It looks very professional and all, but it looks backwards. Or maybe its just me. Langley seems like it should be on the east side of the page, and the spur line should head north and on to Production Way.
Imagine the platforms being side platforms (like King George basically)and this display being up on the fence between the tracks and it all makes sense
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It looks very professional and all, but it looks backwards. Or maybe its just me. Langley seems like it should be on the east side of the page, and the spur line should head north and on to Production Way.
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Imagine the platforms being side platforms (like King George basically)and this display being up on the fence between the tracks and it all makes sense
Agreed with Logan5.

I don't like the swapping of left-right and east-west.
The maps should be independent of the direction the reader is facing.
i.e. your reasoning would have your map on the fence between the tracks - but the opposite map on the wall behind the platform!!
That would be confusing to passengers because they would read the map on the wall, then look at the map on the fence, and be confused because they are different.

The Lougheed branch should also be shown in gray on the first one.

To be NIT PICKY -
Expo Line / Scott Road Extension / King George Extension / Langley Extension !!!

Otherwise - looks good!
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Agreed with Logan5.

I don't like the swapping of left-right and east-west.
The maps should be independent of the direction the reader is facing.
i.e. your reasoning would have your map on the fence between the tracks - but the opposite map on the wall behind the platform!!
That would be confusing to passengers because they would read the map on the wall, then look at the map on the fence, and be confused because they are different.

The Lougheed branch should also be shown in gray on the first one.

To be NIT PICKY -
Expo Line / Scott Road Extension / King George Extension / Langley Extension !!!

Otherwise - looks good!
^ This. Unfortunately for artists everywhere, people are idiots.
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Self drive mini buses are the future folks!

http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-test-fir...181137466.html

It's interesting that there is not even a mentioned on any kind of automation or electrification with Translink, while there are at least a bunch of studies in Europe and some cities with very concrete plans in this area.
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Self drive mini buses are the future folks!

http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-test-fir...181137466.html

It's interesting that there is not even a mentioned on any kind of automation or electrification with Translink, while there are at least a bunch of studies in Europe and some cities with very concrete plans in this area.
This could be applicable in Vancouver wherever there are neighbourhoods to be served that are small, but need frequent service: districts around skytrain stations, for example.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 12:31 AM
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Self drive mini buses are the future folks!
This sounds like an ideal pilot project - in a relatively quiet area where there's a fixed route for which they can map out everything in precise detail. The current state of autonomous vehicle technology still requires those kinds of detailed maps to supplement the on-board sensors.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 1:16 AM
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This sounds like an ideal pilot project - in a relatively quiet area where there's a fixed route for which they can map out everything in precise detail. The current state of autonomous vehicle technology still requires those kinds of detailed maps to supplement the on-board sensors.
The future of community shuttle!
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 3:39 AM
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The future of community shuttle!
Still not sold about small driver-less buses in Vancouver. Transit etiquette is so different here from Europe...

I've seen so many instances of elderly/disable people take their time getting on the community shuttles- which is fair. On the contrary, I have seen individuals take their time for unnecessary reasons....good thing we have bus drivers to rush these folks who are holding up the flow of movement on the bus. Also seen instances of a driver calling transit police to escort someone off the bus and call someone to do an immediate cleanup of hazardness needles.

How will this be done with driverless buses? Perhaps this is worth trying in remote areas of Surrey and Pitt Meadows though.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 4:28 AM
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Still not sold about small driver-less buses in Vancouver. Transit etiquette is so different here from Europe...

I've seen so many instances of elderly/disable people take their time getting on the community shuttles- which is fair. On the contrary, I have seen individuals take their time for unnecessary reasons....good thing we have bus drivers to rush these folks who are holding up the flow of movement on the bus. Also seen instances of a driver calling transit police to escort someone off the bus and call someone to do an immediate cleanup of hazardness needles.

How will this be done with driverless buses? Perhaps this is worth trying in remote areas of Surrey and Pitt Meadows though.
That's super easy...I am picturing some sort of zapping mechanism for prodding along the stragglers...

But seriously...They could install silent alarm similar to what is in Sky Train to alert the transit police of trouble. Needless and general cleanup could be handled in a similar fashion. With GPS tracking they know where the buses are and can quickly dispatch appropriate personnel. Overall all these issues are present in the Sky Train without drivers and they get handled.

In fact, if you eliminate the drivers and electrify the vehicles you would free a ton of cash to hire more police/attendants to help people and deal with cleaning and security issues.

This is all coming...it's just the matter of time... and I know at first everybody is going to scream the bloody murder...The usual list of concerns that gets raised with every innovation will be raised (security, old people, job loses, losing human contact, etc) and it will all work out just fine. Just look at how politicians are changing their tune on Uber (and their first reaction was as if Black Plague was about to descend on us).
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 5:22 AM
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That's super easy...I am picturing some sort of zapping mechanism for prodding along the stragglers...

But seriously...They could install silent alarm similar to what is in Sky Train to alert the transit police of trouble. Needless and general cleanup could be handled in a similar fashion. With GPS tracking they know where the buses are and can quickly dispatch appropriate personnel. Overall all these issues are present in the Sky Train without drivers and they get handled.

In fact, if you eliminate the drivers and electrify the vehicles you would free a ton of cash to hire more police/attendants to help people and deal with cleaning and security issues.
Actually, issues on the Skytrain system often don't get handled. This was raised by a former transit security official in Surrey at the community summit in 2013. Despite the presence of the SCBCTAPS officers, most perpetrators escape. Crimes we are talking about include sexual harassment, causing public disturbance, assault etc...Many of these can be prevented or dealt with more promptly with attendants and transit police situated on-board or at stations.

So we eliminate the driver.... but CMBC would likely have to open up a new division within the transit centers and hire staff that can monitor these buses, hire personnel that would always have to be within proximity of these buses in the event of an emergency and hire more cleaners to frequently keep these buses clean. We'd be also losing late-night stop requests, which is essential for women and the elderly (obviously most victimized in the city).

That said, it would perhaps be a good choice of vehicle for touristy areas, and especially during peak daylight hours (Waterfront -> Stanley Park).
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2016, 8:15 AM
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So we eliminate the driver...
The drivers may be a bit of a deterrent but they're instructed not to confront but rather to report. So the reality is that their role isn't really that much different than the silent alarm strips on the Skytrain.

Having said that, I can certainly understand why a woman riding alone would much rather be on a bus with a driver.
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