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A good story . . . with legs (or roots)



http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...dest-palm.html
Damn, I thought the link in that article was finally going to put the mystery of who planted the palms to rest, but it referred readers back to us!

I wish DJ Waldie hadn't called Arcade Station "utilitarian". That stung a little. I really liked it. I thought it was both pretty and friendly. A big bungalow.



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This stretch of Wilshire was probably near by.


1914- Wilshire and ?
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This is the west side of the 600 south block of Windsor Blvd. in Windsor Square. The house on the left was built in 1911 and the house on the right in 1914.

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This is the west side of the 600 south block of Windsor Blvd. in Windsor Square. The house on the left was built in 1911 and the house on the right in 1914.

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Thanks.

Do any of the small (newly planted) shrub-sized palms lining Wilshire still exist? (Majestic, Mexican Palmetto or Sylvester? )

Recall previous posts of ongoing plantings, but not these shrub sized specimens.

1926 Between-betwixt Western and Wilshire (reposts)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009310.jpg

1926
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009313.jpg


1926
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009312.jpg


1935 - Arbor Day planting a native Washington palm tree in front of the Ebell Club on Wilshire Boulevard
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CBD emailed me asking for information on the Senator Apartments located at Wilshire and Valencia. (he used to visit the building as a child)

The only thing I could find were these two photographs of the hallway.




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/41468/rec/4



I was hoping someone could dig up a photograph of the Senator Apartments for CBD to go along with the hallway.
I'm most impressed Etherial R - with your sleuthing. Yes those photos are definitely the hallway of that building...the Senator Apartments ~ Wilshire District. The apartment building was elegant with thick carpeting in the hallways and subdued lighting. The place was very hushed and quiet. In one photo here we see heavy velvet drapes that were used as sound barriers in the halls. The doors were stained natural wood with brass fittings, exactly as we see in ER's photos. Incidentally his car was a 1935 Packard.

Many thanks to ER for his diligence in finding and posting the photos.
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Here is a partial 1940 US Census for the Senator Apartments.


Here is a detail that shows our friend Harry Stout and his wife Florence. Harry was born in 1881. He was a brilliant man to say the least. He sold law books in Los Angeles. My stepfather being an attorney, became friends with Harry and they visited our home at Christmas time. He was also an accomplished artist. One of his hobbies was to open a huge English dictionary and write down in a notebook every word that had anything to do with flowers or birds., etc. His favorite film of 1949 was The Third Man and its theme music. I recall he played that theme music for us.


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Here we see the velvet drapes in the hallway that kept the halls quiet. They were a deep burgundy color. The carpets were a light-grayish brown color. Of course please keep in mind that this was many decades ago. I can see how an accident can happen in this hallway. It would be easy to miss the step-down. A fall would be the result.

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At right behind the picket fence is the J. D. Hooker house once at 325 West Adams:

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Damn, I thought the link in that article was finally going to put the mystery of who planted the palms to rest, but it referred readers back to us!

Didn't mean to disappoint. Next pledge break, treat yourself to a nice tote bag.


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Tally's New Broadway Theater at 6th ST. & Broadway.



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Can you imagine what this looked like at night with the exceptional electric signs (especially in 1905).

Below: Amazingly, the Elden Hotel building (1894) to the left of Tally's New Broadway is still there.


HomeE / you-are-here.com

Of course it's been posted before, but a crisper image hardly ever hurt!

http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1000w




The Palace Theater - 30 Pine Avenue, Long Beach

1917
http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1000w

http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1353021754


Remodeled sigh. "The thrill is gone." B.B.King (So is this theater)
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Thx. Gorgeous! You never disappoint.

The street lights were fun. The wonky spaghetti one and the Rialto were eye-openers :-)

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Of course it's been posted before, but a crisper image hardly ever hurt!

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Neither does a previously-posted gif:

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A number of reminders of what was and will not be again. Look here: http://pstp-edison.com/eder/

To the authors, contributors and producers of this exhibit, Bravo!


1913 - The Empress Theater
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1957 - Demolition of Apartment House next to Edison General Office
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1938 - Vogue Market, and Vogue Theater at 98th & Long Beach Blvd
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One of my favorite photographs of the Title Guarantee and Trust Building


http://www.publicartinla.com/Downtow...guarantee.html
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A couple of recent shots from the Title Guarantee and Trust building (John & Donald Parkinson, 1930):





http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...e_for_sale.php

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Here is another view


LAPL
Westcork, I finally tracked down our Spanish American War statue in Pershing Square and got a picture myself Saturday. I have lots of other shots taken the park at this Flickr set as well:



It does still say War with Spain at the bottom but it's either cut off there or the rest is buried underground.

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I am still perplexed by our palm trees,starting with this photo:

http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal1a.html

Our trees are clearly on the left (west), behind their brick wall (Block 53 on the map above) between 2nd and 3rd. The Woodworth home is to the north across 2nd.
No Woodworths or Hammels are listed as living on Block 53, although, one supposes John Woodworth could have owned the property (at least at one time) and Sheriff Hammel could have lived there later. There is an exotic plant nursery listed, which is kind of funny as California Fan Palms are our only native palm.

John and Wallace Woodworth (father and son) were here early enough for our palms:

WALLACE WOODWORTH,

one of the pioneers of Los Angeles, was the son of John D. Woodworth, also a
pioneer; and he was born at Johnstown, Licking County, Ohio, July 28, 1832. He
came to California in 1850, at the age of eighteen, with his father.
After
staying a year they returned East; but Wallace soon came back and went to
Oregon, where he stayed three years, when he came to Los Angeles County, and
became the superintendent of "El Chino Rancho," for his uncle, Colonel Isaac
Williams, the owner of that princely domain, Colonel Williams having gone East.
Afterward Mr. Woodworth engaged in the purchase of cattle on a large scale,
disposing of them in Northern markets and in the mines at good profits. Later he
entered into a partnership with W. H. Perry, which endured nearly thirty years,
or till Mr. Woodworth's death. The firm of Perry & Woodworth was long a familiar
one to all our older citizens. At first it engaged in the cabinet and furniture
business on Main street, near the Pico House; but ultimately it changed to the
lumber and milling business and moved to Commercial street, where the firm and
its successor, the Perry Lumber Company, did an immense business. Mr. J. D.
Woodworth, the father, returned with his family to Los Angeles in 1857, and
resided here till his death
, with the exception of a few years' residence at his
ranch near San Gabriel, which he sold to Mr. Titus. Mr. Woodworth, Sr., was a
man of sterling character and of considerable prominence, being for a number of
years justice of the peace, and also postmaster of this city under President
Buchanan.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ca...th-wallace.txt

It may be John Woodworth we have to thank for bringing the trees from a desert canyon to LA.

As to the change in the building facing on San Pedro:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/14500/rec/13

I think this was taken after our palm was moved. The reason the palm was moved to begin with was to build a warehouse (this according to Nathan Masters http://www.lamag.com/citythink/cityt...dest-palm-tree), which is what appears to be going on in the photo below. The single story pitched roof building seems to be in the process of being remodeled into the two-story structure with a pediment pictured above:

LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068408.jpg

The photo of the large mansion in your post, identified as Woodworth's, does not appear to bear any relation to the Woodworth home on San Pedro. The smaller structure, in the same photo,looks to be its carriage house.

It does seem extraordinary that these trees, such landmarks and so famous that cabinet cards were being sold picturing them:


And our particular tree rated a granite and bronze monument commemorating its 25 years of faithful service outside the Arcade Depot:

http://books.google.com/books?id=yFq...20tree&f=false

Yet I could find no photos of the replanting at Exposition Park or the placing of the monument. The tree is not mentioned in any of the histories of Agricultural/Exposition Park I've seen. Maybe its anonymity has protected it. I would enjoy seeing its little circle of fence restored.

P.S.

The "Pierce" in the Pierce and McConnell name on the cabinet card was CC Pierce: http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark...8vx0hb8/admin/
Thanks for explaining why that brick building on San Pedro Street next to the palm trees sprouted an extra story!

Hey, that's a great photo from the CSLB website looking north on San Pedro at one of the palms and and the Woodward house catty-corner across 2nd Street. Are there any palm trees around the Woodward house? Hard to tell.

The very next photo on the same CSLB webpage is the c. 1895 (though likely several years earlier) photo from my earlier post (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14486), which CSLB has captioned, "Continuing south on San Pedro Street, we see its west side, between 2nd and 3rd Sts. We faintly see the tower of St. Vibiana's on Main St. in the distance in a break between some trees. The handsome palm trees were planted in the 1880s by William A. Hammel at his home. Hammel was Sheriff 1899-1902 and 1907-1914. One of the palms he planted was subsequently moved to the Southern Pacific Arcade Depot, and we'll see it shortly..."

CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EXHX78F14R.jpg

We've already seen that the trees were likely planted in the late 1850s, not the 1880s. This source (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ca...ard-george.txt) says Dr. William A. Hammel came to Los Angeles County in 1856 and, as we have also seen, Dr. Hammel had one of the first red brick homes in Los Angeles -- at 2nd and San Pedro -- which also puts him here in the mid-1850s, in the right place and in plenty of time to plant those palms. His son William A. Hammel, the future Sheriff, was born in 1865 (http://www.badgehistory.com/page_two.html) and thus seems an unlikely candidate for having originally transplanted the palms, one of which was moved to the Arcade station in 1888. Perhaps the fact that the Sheriff apparently wasn't a Jr. has confused historians.

Although the Woodworth home seems to be in the right place on the LA Times 1881 map/model at the NE corner of 2nd and San Pedro, perhaps the map/model's placement of the Hammel home on the NW corner, instead of the SW corner, is wrong -- just as LAPL has likely miscaptioned the c. 1880 photo in my earlier post allegedly showing the Woodworth home at 2nd and San Pedro ("Exterior view of the Woodworth residence, located at 2nd and San Pedro Streets"). BTW, it would be interesting to know where that big old house was.

Or, it could be that the land Hammel owned straddled both sides of 2nd Street, once it was put through. That seems to be what happened with the Woodworth property -- the yellow property in the middle of the map -- on the east side of San Pedro. Hammel is not on this map:

1884 Stevenson's Cadastral Survey
Big Map Blog -- http://www.bigmapblog.com/2012/steve...-angeles-1884/


1886 Woodworth Tract subdivision
Huntington Digital Library -- http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/12131/rec/2

1888 Sanborns at LAPL:


Look again at the photo at the top of the post looking north on San Pedro at 2nd. Given the location of the Woodworth home, where would the brick building and palm on the left side of that photo correspond to on the 1888 maps? Do we also see Old Second/Azusa on the right of that photo? The palm that got moved to the Arcade Station in 1888 -- apparently the one in the photo above with a ladder leaning up against it, and a guy halfway up the ladder -- was adjacent to that brick building and palm.

Here's the 1894 Sanborn map of the area; perhaps the "VACANT WARE HO" is the warehouse that was built where the palm trees -- and the Hammel home -- were?

1894 Sanborn Map @ LAPL

Is the house marked with an arrow . . .

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/13914/rec/11

. . . the same as the house in this picture, which is captioned, "c. 1886 Photograph of 2 large fan palm trees at the residence of Sheriff Hammel on San Pedro Street near Second Street, Los Angeles. A well is situated between them"? Could be.

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9

I think the case for the palms being Dr. William A. Hammel's is clearly much stronger than the case for their being Wallace Woodworth's, which as far as I can tell is based on a solitary photograph's caption that has its east and west mixed up.

Here's another shot of the Arcade Depot palm . . . still can't read that dang sign, though:

CA State Library -- httpcatalog.library.ca.govexlibrisalepha19_1apache_mediaRRX95HAJNKYTQNU5KC63QXCRGQX8RP.jpg
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Is the fountain one of the ones installed after the parking garage went in?

I do not remember that sign, but I really like it.

Fountains? What about canals or zanjas?

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Zanja (canal) through Central Park, later Pershing Square, in the heart of downtown before 1882. This was Zanja number 6 and was built by O. W. Childs, who was the lower of two bidders for the project. In payment he received land from 6th Street to Pico Boulevard and Main Street to Figueroa. The zanja was part of the city's water delivery system from the river. http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=12836

Undated Zanja number 6.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011079.jpg



Pre-1900 illustration of Los Angeles with some of Central Park/Pershing Sq.
(But does it depict Zanja no. 6?)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044330.jpg



Undated construction photo 6th/Hope (No more "Hey Lady, watch out for the Zanja!")
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039430.jpg


Undated looking southeast
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011096.jpg


Undated photo - Home on Broadway. "Notes state Passing in front of the house is a wooden-banked zanja water-supply ditch." (Is this the case of a cropped zanja?)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067902.jpg


Another undated photo - Home on Figueroa fed by a zanja evidently paralleling sidewalk
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013923.jpg

Undated - Figueroa's zanja
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013925.jpg

Undated - Figueroa between Washington and Pico


Circa 1895 Figueroa near 23rd Street
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013922.jpg



Quote:
"Los Angeles water wheel which lifted water from Zanja Madre to the brick reservoir. Photograph taken about 1862 or 1863. The reservoir was built in 1858. "
Circa 1862
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics20/00009662.jpg



Bonus Question: Did LA have any indoor zanjas? Hint: not Bimini Slough! Think "trough spittoon." http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8802




Tangentially, KCET recently discussed the early years of LA's Parks here >> http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...ere-young.html


Pershing Square, circa 1880
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...20CHS-1857.jpg

C.C. Pierce. Been mentioned before, found at USC Digital. A concise collection here: http://framework.latimes.com/2012/07...collection/#/0

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Olvera Street is situated the oldest part of Los Angeles, near the Old Plaza Church and Zanja Madre. Originally called Vine Street, it was extended and renamed in 1877 for Agustin Olvera, the first judge of the county of Los Angeles
Apparently one corner of Olvera Street was more interesting than others, or maybe all corners were interesting?

Look closely at advertisement on the left that seems to mention something about the most fascinating house in the world. "Casa Sepulveda." Perhaps someone can shed light on the subject. No. 29 ? The furthest right door is festooned in hearts and the transom bears some kind of message about a beautiful adventure. More than just coffee and a French cruller?

Wonder what the arrow was targeting?

(Interesting collection of California noteworthy House-Museums: http://www.vpa.org/museumsca.html)


'39-'45 WWII
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It does still say War with Spain at the bottom but it's either cut off there or the rest is buried underground.
The base was discarded, as was the "In Everlasting Remembrance" block, originally near the top. The new underground parking garage could not bear the weight of the full monument.



The original arrangement was grander and much better proportioned:
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Thank you for staying on top of Palm mysteries FW. I agree that there is a better case for Dr Hammel, rather than John Woodward, especially b/c 2nd and 3rd weren't even put through at the time the trees were planted. I wish we could know for sure.

Just to confirm, the trees were on Block 53, right? (Sorry, I have a filthy cold and am struggling to remember what day it is today, let alone what happened 150+ years back.)

The house pictured behind the original warehouse in the two pix is, going by the roof line, gable trim and tone of the bricks, the same.

The "vacant warehouse" is too close to 2nd I think. The Empire Laundry or, even more likely, the EF Foster building is our warehouse.

That big, old mansion and its carriage house is my new mystery to solve.

(BTW, did you read the caption for the north facing shot at http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal1a.html, the one about signs and horse blankets? It's some comfort to me that others, on occasion, get as confused as I do about what they're looking at.)

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Revisiting the Huntington's Form and Landscape exhibit.


When did the City become equine unfriendly?

http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1000w


1912 - Pretty light fixtures. Inexpensive to produce and maintain.
http://static.squarespace.com/static...g?format=1000w




Hard to decide which is more attention-grabbing?

http://static.squarespace.com/static...pg?format=750w


or


GW's memorable purple posting
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I'm sure we've seen the wonderful Casa de Cadillac here before, but, as we know, the "search" feature here objects to small
words such as "Don" and "Lee" if not "casa." Anyway, what I did not know about the Cadillac dealership I first noticed in Tom
Petty's "Free Fallin'" video is that it started out as a branch of Don Lee's operations in 1949. It became the Casa sometime
in the '50s--some sources say within a year of opening. At top, '49 models appear in the Don Lee showroom, followed by '59s
in the second shot, and recent models in the third.


Something else I hadn't noticed was the larger "Casa de" theme at the corner of Ventura Blvd and Beverly Glen in Sherman Oaks:





And finally, I guess there never were anything so tacky as "used-car" departments at Cadillac dealers... looks like before they were
"previously owned," they were offered for "resale." Someone seems to have traded in a '57 Lincoln convertible...




The dealership itself is remarkably intact 63 years later, doubly remarkable in the age of factory-dictated dealership design. The Cascade
building and its waterfall remains recognizable. That the Casa threesome is as "together" as it is is nothing short of amazing:




Fuller story here.


First and third pics: Alden Jewell; all others except last, Palm Springs Automobilist; last, Google Street View





Hadn't realized Casa de Cadillac was in danger of going the way of Oldsmobile and Pontiac. According to a recent post, it will be around for a while longer!



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Casa de Cadillac, the San Fernando Valley’s gleaming window into opulent mid-century car culture, has reopened after a small fire, and more than a year of construction work. A new plate glass façade replicates the dimensions of the original, which shattered in the 1994 Northridge earthquake. The sparkling terrazzo, blazing neon, and lush tropical lanai that first appeared around tail finned Cadillacs in 1949 again surrounds the latest models.

In recent years, General Motors issued an order to bring all of their showrooms under a single design aesthetic, which destroyed historic buildings around the country and nearly doomed this icon. Dealership owner Howard Drake, backed by the Los Angeles Conservancy, fought for the integrity of the original building and architect Michael Zakian went to great lengths to maintain original designer Randall Duell’s glass box, while rebuilding aging infrastructure and adding contemporary amenities like a posh modernist waiting room to the roadside masterpiece. http://www.lamag.com/citythink/askch...rship-restored
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