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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
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Ivor Wynne

Stay or go? Great place for renewed housing.
This city has to move on and think ahead. We waste so many millions on talk talk talk and consultants. Hot air ain't progress. bricks and cement would be a better investment.
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I think the question at this point is "what does this become next?"

Do we need more housing there?... Perhaps a new and different type of well-designed community hub?
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The city will just sell the land to the highest bidder.

I'm pretty sure they suggested a small section of land having a Community Centre.
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^ It'll go to the highest bidder..... ya... just like Scott Park. That's been sitting there unused for about 10 years now. I'm sure people will be lining up to buy it....
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This question was posed in February 2009; http://thespec.com/article/520739. The councillor for the ward keeps vaguely dropping a Community Centre for youth & seniors (I guess the middle doesn't count) into his presentations.

We don't need a new Community Centre in the neighbourhood, what we need is to re-use some of the buildings already in existence (i.e. churches), instead of leaving them to sit empty for years like Scott Park. Or worse have the grand, historical buildings torn down.

In that part of the city there is already an empty church at Main & Springer, and if congregation size is any indicator more will be available in the coming years. Unfortunately, the majority elected officials either don't understand, or don't care.

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A motion was presented by McHattie to spend up to $5000 for a consultant to investigate options for adaptive reuse of churches in order to maintain their heritage value. It was defeated.

At Economic Development and Planning Committee, Sept 22 Minutes p21 (3-6)

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As an aside regarding Scott Park. Let us hope that something positive is finally going to come from the school; http://www.ysys.ca/. From the website it looks bush league, but let us hope.
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Ivor Wynne will sit vacant and crumble for 20 years.

It would cost $100 million to do anything on that site. Just say it's housing, the stadium would have to be torn down, sewers installed, roads, hydro, then build houses. Keep in mind this isn't exactly an area where real estate is booming.
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As an aside regarding Scott Park. Let us hope that something positive is finally going to come from the school; http://www.ysys.ca/. From the website it looks bush league, but let us hope.
Consider that proposal well beyond 'stale' status.

Looks like it was going for public funds and didn't get any. Public money seems to be necessary for any big project in Hamilton.
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This question was posed in February 2009; http://thespec.com/article/520739. The councillor for the ward keeps vaguely dropping a Community Centre for youth & seniors (I guess the middle doesn't count) into his presentations.
That is perhaps the worst idea of ever heard. I'm Never ceased to be amazed by the lack of imagination from our councilors.

I would make it a sports museum. Move the Football Hall of Fame there. Showcase amateur athletes, suggest to PanAm voting committee the site would be promoting amateur athletes inside a historical stadium with roots back to amateur sports.

Include a commercial element, so when people visit it they can shop.

Better yet how about a 45 storey condo, something to eclipse Landmark.
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Consider that proposal well beyond 'stale' status.

Looks like it was going for public funds and didn't get any. Public money seems to be necessary for any big project in Hamilton.
Not stale. The website was just posted on the door's of the property in the last 3 weeks.
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^ ya maybe so but the school idea was first proposed 5 years ago. and a crappy little website doesn't mean anything.

I hope it happens believe me. but after 5 years its difficult to keep hoping.
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I would still love to see the stadium at the top of the hill along W5th. There's a potential LRT line coming up that hill, and maybe a bus terminal at Fennell/ Mohawk College. You'd have some tailgating space, and an amazing view of the downtown. A stadium, along with intense redevelopment closer to Fennell, could shift the future of the A-Line from BRT to LRT, and justify the cost of the tunnel project.

You could also add a set of escarpment stairs from Bay St, which the city wants to turn into a showcase street from the mountain to the water. Not only would it help disperse stadium crowds, it would improve pedestrian connections between Mohawk and the core. Because of the hill, people tend to forget just how close the college is to the downtown.

To help traffic around the the site, the ramp from the Claremont could be modified to two-way and shifted from W5th to a new "W10th" St. to Fennell, in the area of Governor's Blvd. That eastbound connection might be a bit costly.

On the downside, I think the cost of land acquisition would be prohibitive, unless they team up with some wealthy developers.
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Pontiac Silverdome is for sale


currently has no tennants
built in 1975
The City's yearly maintenance costs for the empty stadium 1.5$mil
capacity 80,311 seats

Many attempts to sell the Silverdome have failed. However, the city of Pontiac recently announced in October 2009 that the property will go to auction with no minumum bid, and that zoning regulations would be relaxed for any buyer in order to spark development.

"We're told there has already been considerable interest, but if the high bid is only $1, well, then that's it."

Susan Shoemaker, a City Council member for 12 years, said she and other council members are concerned about the outcome of the auction.

Bids will be accepted by Williams & Williams, the Tulsa, Okla.-based auctioneer, through 4 p.m. Nov. 12, when the city -- at its discretion -- can declare the high bidder the winner and end the auction.


Guess what the odds of anyone buying Ivor Wynne are? When the Silverdome is having difficulty finding a buyer. And that is a stadium in the suburbs with massive parking.

Ivor Wynne basically has a negative investment value after the Ti-Cats move out..... to Burlington
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By 2015 the B-Line will be up and running. With this land it won't be brownfield it'll be greenland.
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By 2015 the B-Line will be up and running.
Now, when they talk about LRT in 2015, do you think it'll be up and running in time for football season? I wouldn't put money on it.

What will really help is when the A-Line runs to the north end. James St is within 400m of the proposed stadium. And what will be the main reason for the extension? All-day GO service coming to LIUNA station by 2013. So the site isn't as inaccessible as people would like to believe.
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Letter from Spec

" The supposed visionary leaders of the City of Hamilton have their heads in the sand as usual.

Putting the new stadium down by the bayfront would have one positive -- it would look beautiful. Everything else would be negative:

* No parking

* Difficulty for people coming from out of town -- no nearby highway access

* Noise concerns

* No alternate uses for the stadium

* Gridlock leaving the games

Hamilton already owns the land by the airport, where all the negatives would turn into positives. It would also be a beautiful spot for a multi-use stadium with plenty of room for future expansion. " The writer was from Caledonia, Mmmmmmm


To put a stadium way out there. Compare say Skydome to Ralph Wilson in Buffalo. Minimal parking in T.O. but in downtown near public transit. More people are moving downtown to take advantage of centralized assets. Also multi use year round.
Ivor Wynne or Ralph Wilson lots of parking for Wilson and room to tailgate but count out of 365 days how many times it is used. especially Ivor Wynne.
If it goes to West harbour if the place was covered or shaped correctly you could have outdoor concerts as thre are only neighbours on 2 sides and minimal. Channel the sound out over the water.
Please don't waste anymore valuable land that could be used for farming out of town when the real best option would be bulldoze a HUGE chunk of industrial land in the East Harbour do a clean up and build a nice big stadium. How good does the cleanup have to be to put down a parking lot and a stadium used maybe once a week.
To reclaim some of that unused industrial land would be the most prudent and it is closer to RedHill, QEW and East Port/Burlington Street.
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Tomorrow, we'll find out whether the Horseshoe has won the bid to host the 2015 Pan American Games. If the bid succeeds, Hamilton will be getting a brand new 30,000 seat stadium. There's a very real possibility that Ivor Wynne will be without a tenant by 2016 as I doubt the Tiger Cats would opt not to move into new digs despite the presence of the dreaded athletics track.

I'd miss Ivor Wynne, but it probably won't exist for too much longer if the Pan American Games come here.
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Ivor Wynne will just sit empty like Scott Park, Lister, Connaught etc. So it will exist just in a Detroit-style existence.
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Re: 'Say goodbye to Ivor Wynne' (Editorial, Nov. 2)

The supposed visionary leaders of the City of Hamilton have their heads in the sand as usual.

Putting the new stadium down by the bayfront would have one positive -- it would look beautiful. Everything else would be negative:

* No parking

* Difficulty for people coming from out of town -- no nearby highway access

* Noise concerns

* No alternate uses for the stadium

* Gridlock leaving the games
Caledonia, take a hike. Isn't there a tire fire to put out somewhere?
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Ivor Wynne will just sit empty like Scott Park, Lister, Connaught etc. So it will exist just in a Detroit-style existence.
Only one of those buildings is sitting empty.
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