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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 10:59 PM
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Oh yeah, that's a good one.


That one is bizarre as you're driving along. Though to be fair, it really is north and south in Waterloo by the compass. In Kitchener it could have been a "Montreal-style" north and south, which would have made more sense.

Because check out Victoria St. North and South. Weird? Yes. Especially because Victoria St. "North" eventually takes you to Guelph, which is clearly much more east than north of Kitchener.
But they get it right with Highland Rd West, which runs parallel to Victoria St South and Ottawa St South . You don't need to worry about street name changes in K-W, the weirdness of local cardinal directions will leave you plenty confused.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2018, 12:05 AM
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Another for Winnipeg; Regent ave. East to west to Nairn ave.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2018, 6:08 PM
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This happens somewhat (?) frequently in Saskatoon.

Spadina Cr -> Whiteswan Dr
2nd Ave -> 3rd Ave -> Warman Rd -> Wanuskewin Rd
Ave C -> 51st St -> Lenore Dr
Claypool Dr -> Cynthia St
Neault Rd -> Dalmeny Rd
Berini Dr -> Nelson Rd -> Addison Rd
Melville St -> Stonebridge Blvd -> Gordon Rd -> Hartley Rd

Some of this may have to do with the Mayor of all people being the person who picks which streets get which names.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2018, 6:24 PM
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It's usually because of street straightening programs in the automobile era that joined up formerly disconnected streets as traffic began to move faster than a horse and carriage would have done. Often the extra street names were discarded but sometimes they weren't.
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In vancouver area,
Broadway > Lougheed Hwy
Barnet Highway > Lougheed Hwy
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Hamilton has a bunch. Some are a legacy of amalgamation, with street names changing as roads crossed the former municipal borders (there are also quite a few streets in the "new" city that have the same name). Some of these examples are re-alignments as intersections were altered over the years, but they still confuse people unfamiliar with the routes.

Main St. starts in east Hamilton as a residential street, becomes commercial arterial where it merges with Queenston Rd. at a traffic circle (Queenston itself is the eastern continuation of the main artery, it carries most of the traffic). In the west end Main diverges off to the southwest at an intersection, switching to Wilson St. as it climbs the escarpment into Ancaster. But the natural continuation of Main at that divergence is Osler Dr., which becomes Main for a few blocks in Dundas, leading into Cross St., which then becomes Parkview Row and then Dundas Driving Park Rd. (which circles back to Cross St.).

York Blvd. becomes Wilson St. downtown. This is because York was re-aligned decades ago when the city massively redeveloped the downtown core.

Woodward Ave. becomes Eastport Drive in the east end.

Hamilton Street changes to Centre Road just north of the Waterdown urban boundary.

Olympic Drive in Dundas becomes York Rd., which then becomes Old York Rd. crossing into Burlington at Hwy 6, eventually becoming York again.

Ogilvie St. in Dundas becomes Old Ancaster Rd., then Old Dundas Rd. as it moves into Ancaster, then Rousseaux St. after crossing Wilson St., then changes to Mohawk Rd. after a couple blocks, which leads into the Lincoln Alexander Parkway after the interchange with Hwy 403.

East of the 403, Mohawk Rd. is a main arterial across upper Hamilton, but its western end was re-aligned to connect to Golf Links Rd. when the Linc was built. Golf Links ends at the Hamilton Golf and Country Club, but it lines up directly with Jerseyville Rd. which would have been the natural continuation just a few hundred metres west. The eastern end of Mohawk leads directly into Mountain Brow Blvd.

Mountain Brow Blvd. begins as Mud St. in the east, though it's just a short section of Mud now (it was split when the Red Hill Valley Parkway was built). It becomes Mountain Brow at Albion Falls, follows the escarpment edge northward, leading directly onto Mohawk but also continuing north as Mountain Brow at an intersection. It later turns westward, then becomes Concession St., which turns into residential Belvidere Ave. on the west.

The Red Hill Valley Parkway carries on as the Lincoln Alexander Parkway. There is now an Upper Red Hill Valley Parkway arterial road that opened in 2016, heading south from the switchover and interchange with Mud St.

Also in that area, another long E-W upper Hamilton street called Stone Church Road becomes Paramount Drive. Paramount continues east a bit before it circles north, west, then south back toward itself, but it changes to Winterberry Dr. before that (which avoids having an intersection at Paramount and Paramount)

Just north of the escarpment and the old Dundas-Flamborough border, Crooks Hollow Rd. becomes Harvest Rd. (access to two of the city's more famous waterfalls, Webster's and Tew's) which leads directly onto a stretch of Sydenham Rd. which then becomes Rock Chapel Rd. as Sydenham turns north.

Starting in north Flamborough, Brock Rd. begins as the main branch off Freelton Rd., goes south and becomes Hwy 8, which is King St. in Dundas, which becomes Cootes Drive, which changes to Leland St. as it crosses Main St. at the McMaster University campus.

Rymal Rd. across the south end of Hamilton's urban area becomes Garner Rd. in Ancaster. Both were Hwy 53, before the province downloaded many highways in the 1990s.


Burlington has a few that confuse people too:

Plains Rd. starts as the continuation of York Blvd. in the west end, then the main artery becomes Fairview St. just after crossing the QEW. But Plains still carries on north from the QEW off-ramp intersection there, then turns eastward, changes briefly to Queensway Dr., which changes to Harvester Rd.

LaSalle Park Rd. becomes Waterdown Rd., which then becomes Mill St. in Waterdown.

Lakeshore Rd. switches from an east-west alignment (it's actually NE-SW by the compass) to north-south next to Joseph Brant hospital, each branch leading directly into different named roads. The natural western continuation of Lakeshore is called Northshore (and the main traffic route on Northshore switches to King Rd. which heads northwest to the escarpment, becoming Mountain Brow Rd. at the top when entering Waterdown). The north-south branch of Lakeshore becomes Maple Ave.

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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 9:41 PM
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This doesn't really happen in Windsor. Our street/address system is much more common to what you would see in the US Midwest. One thing that does happen is that streets with the same name could have several different segments that don't connect with each other because they're separated by things like railyards, parks, or woodlots.
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Cambie street when it crossed the cambie street bridge it turns into Smithe Street, but Cambie street also exists downtown, you turn right/north off smithe about a block or so off the bridge.
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London has a few:

- Kains Road/Commissioners Road/Hamilton Road
- Longwoods Road/Main Street/Wharncliffe Road/Western Road (And this one is planned to continue onto Richmond St when the BRT is built)
- Byron Baseline Road/Springbank Drive/Horton Street/Hamilton Road/Old Victoria Road
- Base Line Road/Thompson Road/Egerton Street
- Southdale Road/Pond Mills Road
- Riverside Drive/Dundas Street
- Stanley Street/York Street/Florence Street
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Dufferin St. is kinda weird. The red sections are Dufferin, and the orange are roads that turn into Dufferin at any point:


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Interestingly, Montreal doesn't seem to this issue much. I can't think of any streets that arbitrarily change names as you drive along them. Are there any?
Montreal is guilty of the opposite offense: many streets are hopelessly cut by a railway or freeway with no passage anywhere in sight, and just when you finally got on the right street and thought you just had to drive in the right direction until you found the address you were looking for, you're SOL stuck in front of a Great Wall, and the directions you memorized back home on how to find the street you were looking for can't help you, as the address you seek happens to be on another segment of that street, beyond the impassable obstacle.

This phenomenon was a PITA before the days of navigation devices in cars.
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Perhaps somebody in Montreal can explain why Notre-Dame St E is elevated with several roads severed underneath it...?
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The other big one (more egregious in my opinion, and I have vented about it before) is Waggoners Lane/Dundonald Street/Beaverbrook Street/Forest Hill Road.

Four name changes in 2.2km. Waggoners is essentially just a winding drive along the park, and as far as I know it changes name because it's to the west of the original planned street grid, and the numbers don't go any lower on Dundonald. This I understand.

Beaverbrook was originally called Dundonald, but at some point they wanted to name a street after Lord Beaverbrook, the then-mostly-undeveloped eastern section of Dundonald looked attractive. Apparently nobody had the backbone to make the three built-up blocks of Dundonald change addresses.

Forest Hill Road shares its name with part of the neighbourhood and predates that whole part of town by about 100 years. Why it couldn't take the name Beaverbrook is beyond me, and it's a wonder they didn't add a fifth name when Forest Hill was extended into a short cul-de-sac in the 90s.
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Street names in Thunder Bay change for two reasons: an old city limit was reached, or two formerly different streets were merged together to make a new arterial road. Copenhagen-Hodder-Cumberland-Water-Fort William-Simpson-Arthur-West Arthur is the most notorious in Thunder Bay and features several examples of both. Fun fact: the Arthur-West Arthur portion is a straight line for a longer stretch than any road in Winnipeg. (I've checked this, I couldn't find one straighter for a longer stretch in the city proper)

In Thunder Bay, Copenhagen Road is what used to be the boundary between Port Arthur and Shuniah. South of the expressway, it becomes Hodder Avenue, a street that was until the 1950s or so not connected to the street that it becomes now, which is Cumberland. Cumberland forks at Marina Park Drive into Cumberland (which is a continuation of Marina Park Drive) and Water (which is the main road). Water was built in the 1980s as part of an urban renewal project and is made up of two pieces: a by-pass of downtown that runs parallel to Cumberland, and a new connection between Cumberland and Fort William Road. At Red River Road, the numbering flips at 0 and starts counting up as you head south. I mention the numbering because it's important later on! Cumberland merges into Water about a mile south from where Water Street splits off of Cumberland. Water Street continues on its own for another mile and a half before reaching Fort William Road, which itself is running at a slight angle to Water Street. After this intersection, Water Street is now Fort William Road, which continues south for about two and a half miles.

Now, this is the first fun-with-numbers part: The even/odd street numbers flip at William Street, the dividing line between Port Arthur and Fort William. 1100 Fort William Road is across the street from 1100 Simpson Street. The numbers will now start counting down. Simpson continues south for two miles, passing Victoria Avenue (which was once its terminus) and continuing along a curved segment to link it to Arthur Street, and now you're heading west. Once you get to Edward Street, about two miles away, the street numbers have gone up to 2800. Cross that street, and they reset to 100. You're now on a new street, called "West Arthur Street". All the roads parallel to it get called "West Whatever Street". East of it, they're just "Whatever Street", except "Victoria Avenue" which does have an East; East Arthur Street was a different street on an island and it's now called Baffin Road. Anyway, West Arthur continues westward, and once it leaves the city, it becomes Highway 130 and then ends at the Trans-Canada Highway a mile later.

The address flipping and resetting is part of why Thunder Bay can't unify its street names. It would require readdressing half the city. Some new streets are being built with a new co-ordinate system with the northern limit of the city as a baseline, which means 2260 Sleeping Giant Parkway backs onto 59 South Water Street. What is probably intended as a solution to this problem is instead going to just make finding shit even more complicated. As for why the numbers flip: Fort William and Port Arthur did that on purpose to make amalgamation cumbersome.

Others:

Waterloo Street leads north off of Walsh Street and used to continue into Port Arthur with the same name even though they were never physically connected; the Port Arthur stretch was renamed Waterford in the 1980s to reduce confusion. Today it merges into Balmoral Avenue (which itself is made up of three streets connected to each other, and has its own separated stub that retains the name Balmoral Street on the other side of the river where the main street ends). Balmoral continues north and after a bit of a zig zag continues along what was once called Lyon Street (but since we also had a Lyon Boulevard, they renamed that Balmoral Street). Balmoral Street then reaches John Street, and continues north as Algonquin which ends at Clarkson Avenue. But John street is interesting, because:

John Street starts at Water Street, and it heads west for a bit less than a mile, at which point John Street runs parallel to John Street for one block (there are no houses in the gap, so both streets share the name) and then at High Street, the main street becomes Oliver Road, and it retains that name to its end in Kakabeka Falls. John Street stops at Crown Street (parallel to High Street), but then John Street continues westward from High Street just north of the intersection with Oliver Road and John Street, and it travels up a hill until it meets Balmoral Street, at which point it bends. As it continues east, you reach a really fun arbitrary point where two surveyed sections of the Dawson Road meet with two surveyed sections of McIntyre Township, and at this point, John Street continued northwest as Valley Street, which then bends due west and becomes Pioneer Drive, which eventually ends in the bush. At the point where the name changes, however, there is a new street that runs between two of the sections of McIntyre Township: It's called John Street Road. It's the road that led to John Street.

The other confusing one is James Street. James Street starts at City Road, which is across the river from the city, goes along the CN Swingbridge, travels north, past what used to be the northern limit of Fort William. At that point, the street bends eastward and travels toward the lake. The street numbers on this road continue the pattern they had as a north south street. This is contrary to every other street in the area. They count up as you head east. Once you hit Edward Street (which itself has multiple names), the name of this street is William Street (so called because it separates Fort William and Port Arthur). This street starts counting around 1100 and goes down as you travel toward the lake. It's split into 3 separate, disconnected portions.

And then there is Edward Street, the street at which the street numbers reset. It travels north from Gore Street in the southernmost part of the city, and once it hits the point where Port Arthur and Fort William meet, it keeps its name. Until it gets to the Harbour Expressway (which is Main Street east of Fort William Road and Shabaqua Highway west of the Thunder Bay Expressway), which is where it gets the name Golf Links Road. (It was the road to a golf course in the early 1900s). It travels north, past Oliver Road, and goes around a bend. At this bend, it used to take on the name "Junot Avenue", but they recently changed it to Golf Links so that the name change was at John Street instead of an arbitrary bend. Fun fact: in a couple years, a new street will branch off at that point and continue north, meaning Golf Links will make a sharp right turn at a controlled intersection. (They shouldn't have renamed it.) Once it's called Junot, it continues north, passes Red River Road (where its cardinal direction changes from South to North) and it continues about a half mile to a bend where it gets the name River Street, and the addresses start counting down. River Street continues to the waterfront without changing its name again.

We also have Red River Road, which most people think just changes its name to Dawson Road once it crosses the highway.

Red River Road starts at the waterfront, and along a stretch that used to be called Arthur Street (renamed in 1986 to avoid confusion with the other Arthur Street), it goes to St. Patrick's Square, which was formerly a square (a literal square, a large open area where many streets met in a box shape). Waverly Street splits off of Red River just before Algoma (which I am realizing is yet another name changing street) and then merges back into it at St. Patrick's Square; it was the original route this street took, before it was deviated because horses were sliding down the hill backwards in the 1800s when the Dawson Road (which is the route this follows) was created. From St. Patrick's Square to the city limits (which was Carl Avenue, which is west of the Expressway) this road was called Red River Road. It was always that. Dawson Road today starts a block further east than it used to, and continues all the way to Winnipeg. The Dawson Road in St Boniface is the same stretch of surveyed road that started here.

And what I think is the last one (it must be the last one. I won't write about any more because no one is reading this anyway) is May-Memorial-Algoma. May Street is the second North-South route in Fort William after Simpson Street, and once it hits William Street, it becomes Memorial Avenue (and just like before, the numbers flip around; but there is no 1100 across from 1100 here; May Street only gets up to about 900 before it changes). Memorial Avenue was built after WWI as a tree lined boulevard to honour fallen soldiers (it's now a stroad lined with fast food places and shopping malls). It bends at its midpoint to kind of line up with Algoma Street, which was one of Port Arthur's main north-south streets. This one isn't really as interesting.

It's hard to describe to people where they should go to get to things because of the street changes, I usually just omit the name changes (continue down Simpson until you hit Red River; the two never actually intersect) but on a few occasions, the person came from that direction and thought I was confusing them. I once had to lead a transport truck that got lost in front of my house to a truck stop that was nowhere near my house; he paid me in American money.
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I had forgotten about this one - a street with eight different names that winds through Kitchener-Waterloo (with video). Although it does do a 180 and three 90 degree turns over its course....

https://www.therecord.com/opinion-st...erloo-region-/

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Happens fairly frequently in Shanghai. At least in some cases it's due to one stretch of the road being older than the other, so they give a different name to the newer road.

But then, there's also very long roads that don't change names. However, they add a North / (Central) / South or East / (Central) / West designation to long roads so you at least have some idea what part of the city the address you're looking for will be located.
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Jarvis and Sherbourne become Lower Jarvis and Lower Sherbourne. No idea why.
I thought those streets began at Front street and went north. They were then extended south and had to change the name due to lot numbering?

I could be wrong.
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