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Old Posted Jul 14, 2019, 8:14 PM
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If you look at APTA's summary for all modes by transit agency for Q1 (page 15 for RTD), these numbers scream "we fixed a counting error"

If you compare Q4 2018 Bus to Q1 2019 Bus ridership, there is a ~12% increase. I don't believe bus ridership magically increased double digits in a quarter. It was steadily down each quarter last year.

They needed to ask "how did bus ridership surge so much, with no improvements?" but of course went with the clickbait of "light rail ridership plummets"

In terms of transit trips generated, a double digit gain in bus ridership more than offsets the fall in light rail ridership.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2019, 10:41 PM
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If you look at APTA's summary for all modes by transit agency for Q1 (page 15 for RTD), these numbers scream "we fixed a counting error"

If you compare Q4 2018 Bus to Q1 2019 Bus ridership, there is a ~12% increase. I don't believe bus ridership magically increased double digits in a quarter. It was steadily down each quarter last year.

They needed to ask "how did bus ridership surge so much, with no improvements?" but of course went with the clickbait of "light rail ridership plummets"

In terms of transit trips generated, a double digit gain in bus ridership more than offsets the fall in light rail ridership.
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Now that I've pulled up the numbers, the only thing I'd clarify (assuming I understand it correctly) is that last column, although it says "quarterly change" is actually a year over year, quarterly change. Either which way the numbers are strange. The total of all modes then was actually up 4.44% YOY for the first three months.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2019, 5:21 PM
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I took Q1 2019 Bus total trips (17,413,900) divided by Q4 2018 total bus trips (15,526,300). I get 1.12,so up 12% from Q4 to Q1. They really should include previous quarter along with previous year's same quarter.
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One key paragraph I see in this article is:
"While light-rail ridership has fallen, RTD said ridership has jumped on bus routes, commuter rail lines such as the University of Colorado A-Line, and the Flatiron Flyer bus service between Denver and Boulder. Still, overall ridership across RTD’s entire system fell 1.8 percent from early 2018 to early 2019."

Folks need to stop clamoring for a train all the time and realize that you can get equal outcomes for much less money a-la the Flatiron Flyer system. I know I sound like a broken record, but when I hear how long it takes to get from Golden to Union Station on the W line, I laugh. It takes me literally no more than 35 minutes to get from Union Station to Boulder on the FF2. I think this is why it's growing in ridership, because as 36 gets slowly more congested, people finally give up and start taking the bus if they go to school in Boulder or work up there.
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According to APTA RTD average weekday numbers for the first quarter for all modes increased from 376,100 in 2018 to 393,800 in 2019. Trips for the first quarter 2018 were 24,061,600 vs. first quarter 2019 25,141,400. I don't see the decline.
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I took Q1 2019 Bus total trips (17,413,900) divided by Q4 2018 total bus trips (15,526,300). I get 1.12,so up 12% from Q4 to Q1. They really should include previous quarter along with previous year's same quarter.
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According to APTA RTD average weekday numbers for the first quarter for all modes increased from 376,100 in 2018 to 393,800 in 2019. Trips for the first quarter 2018 were 24,061,600 vs. first quarter 2019 25,141,400. I don't see the decline.
The anomaly was the steep drop in light rail; rail ridership had been running half of bus ridership.


Some long-time Detroit Street residents upset about proposed bike lane

They see bike riders go by; it's not a problem; everything's fine just the way it is.
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“I really don’t like any of the options that they have proposed, so I would just say that it should just stay the way it is,” Chavez said.

“It would just be a terrible burden on us,” Ross said.
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The anomaly was the steep drop in light rail; rail ridership had been running half of bus ridership.


Some long-time Detroit Street residents upset about proposed bike lane

They see bike riders go by; it's not a problem; everything's fine just the way it is.
Wait a minute...
Detroit is a 3rd world country. I'm surprised they even have money for paved roads!
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DIA (DEN) is listed as having the 7th cheapest average airfares according to well-known FinanceBuzz.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 2:28 PM
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This is pretty sad....

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/07/...yclist-killed/

I really hope this makes the NIMBY asshole f$cktards who were trying to petition against a bike lane reconsider their positions.....
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This is pretty sad....

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/07/...yclist-killed/

I really hope this makes the NIMBY asshole f$cktards who were trying to petition against a bike lane reconsider their positions.....
Keep hoping:

Another Bicyclist Dead and Bike Opponents Still Reject Marion Safety Upgrades

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The fatality happened where East Bayaud Avenue meets South Marion Street Parkway. It is the far end of Marion Street, a historic parkway where the city is planning safety improvements to the existing bike lane. But a group of neighbors are fighting to stop the upgrades and their organizer, Patsy Brown, says yesterday’s death hasn’t changed her mind.

“All I care about is preserving the beauty of the parkway,” she said about the leafy street with a grassy median where she lives. “These small oases of design beauty are going to become more and more rare and it seems imperative to protect them.”
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I read the Parkway Design Guidelines fairly carefully, and I didn't see anything in there that would preclude the changes being talked about. Moving the white stripes on the asphalt certainly isn't going to harm any of the "leafy green" features of the street. Without moving curb and gutter, it's hard to grasp how the movement of the location of parked cars and bike lanes has ANYTHING to do with the historic guidelines.

Kyle Clark called out these so-called "historic concerns" yesterday evening on Next. He correctly observes that the resident complains have nothing to do with history - they are arguing in favor of the status quo. I was encouraged though, because the responding comments on Next's Facebook post (HIGHLY scientific of course) have been overwhelmingly positive. I wouldn't get too discouraged by this small group of highly vocal old fogies.

I mean just look at how these protected bike lanes RUIN the beautiful leafy green trees on these streets in Rotterdam. Who in their right mind would want this in their city?
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 6:27 PM
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And bike advocates, who have welcomed plastic posts for past bike lane projects, think they’re unattractive, ineffective and don’t want them there, either.

“So far, Denver’s default protected bike lane is white [plastic] bollards,” says van Heuven. “Bicyclists don’t like them. They’re just ugly.” “There’s an element of the bike community asking, ‘Why can’t we have nice things? Why are you always doing the cheapest things, which are the plastic bollards?’”
Since no one, including bike enthusiasts like plastic bollards, I don't know what the answer is? Searching the internet for ideas nothing jumped out as "that's it."

Denver7 has the best account of what happened.
Since this happened at an intersection "protected" lanes wouldn't have helped. It was mentioned that a number of accidents have occurred over time along this road; my guess is that most have been at an intersection.

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I mean just look at how these protected bike lanes RUIN the beautiful leafy green trees on these streets in Rotterdam. Who in their right mind would want this in their city?
Oh, I'd love an off-road solution but assumed that wasn't an option?
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 7:52 PM
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Since no one, including bike enthusiasts like plastic bollards, I don't know what the answer is? Searching the internet for ideas nothing jumped out as "that's it."

Denver7 has the best account of what happened.
Since this happened at an intersection "protected" lanes wouldn't have helped.
Really?....... I disagree. Someone who drives down a road without a protected bike lane is going to be much less likely to be aware of a bicyclist because.... there's nothing there to alert the drive of that possibility, except actually seeing the person. If a protected bike lane is there, they KNOW they need to stay off that area because it's designated for bicyclists. To say otherwise I think is a little naive....
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 7:54 PM
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Since no one, including bike enthusiasts like plastic bollards, I don't know what the answer is? Searching the internet for ideas nothing jumped out as "that's it."
Claymores come to mind. Nothing like shredding a vehicle with an anti-personnel munition to put drivers on notice. We don't need to go crazy and go with anti-material munitions.

I'd also be in favor of a similar deterrent to enforce rideshare pickup zones.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 8:08 PM
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Oh, I'd love an off-road solution but assumed that wasn't an option?
Well... I was speaking a bit in hyperbole and making a case about the historic aesthetics. As far as I know, off-street solutions are indeed not an option at this point. As I said, the curb and gutter are not slated to be moved (hence why it doesn't violate the historic parkway design in any way, shape, or form).

But on that point, the Dutch didn't install their off-street solutions overnight either. It takes a policy change followed by DECADES of gradual improvements to do that (because moving curb and gutter is really expensive). The Dutch also threw a lot more money at the problem, and as such probably moved a lot faster towards their current network than we can expect to. When it comes to parking protected lanes, I don't think there's any reason they couldn't live for a good long time with painted buffers before someday being upgraded into something like this when the concrete eventually deteriorates and needs to be replaced (as it always does - eventually).

When it comes to plastic bollards, I still do not understand why they are needed - particularly when using a parking protected solution. Bumper blocks, on the other hand, are absolutely needed until the buffer can eventually be rebuilt with a permanently raised buffer. The parking protected lane on 14th Street is working great these days with no plastic bollards, and started working better once bumper blocks were installed to prevent parked cars from pulling all the way into the bike lane. I haven't seen any cars blocking the Wynkoop Street lane either since the bumper blocks were installed (also no plastic bollards).

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 8:25 PM
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Oh yeah... there are definitely other interim solutions than just bumper blocks too, though these would probably need to be funded by something like a Business Improvement District. For example large planter boxes (these particular ones probably wouldn't work as a parking buffer).


Image sourced from People for Bikes.

Something like these ones on 13th Street in Boulder might work too.

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Really?....... I disagree. Someone who drives down a road without a protected bike lane is going to be much less likely to be aware of a bicyclist because.... there's nothing there to alert the drive of that possibility, except actually seeing the person. If a protected bike lane is there, they KNOW they need to stay off that area because it's designated for bicyclists. To say otherwise I think is a little naive....
Sorry to keep posting, but one final thought on this specific point.

Sooner or later, Protected Intersections will have to come into this conversation as well. But you have to crawl before you can walk. Intersection solutions like this don't really make sense until you have protected lanes to tie into.

Boulder is actually preparing to build its first protected intersection - it may even be the first in Colorado (unless somebody already beat us to it - Boulder moves at a snails pace with these things). I would embed the image into this post, but it would be GIGANTIC.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2019, 10:30 PM
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Really?....... I disagree. Someone who drives down a road without a protected bike lane is going to be much less likely to be aware of a bicyclist because.... there's nothing there to alert the drive of that possibility, except actually seeing the person. If a protected bike lane is there, they KNOW they need to stay off that area because it's designated for bicyclists. To say otherwise I think is a little naive....
Wishful thinking IMO.

Consider that the garbage truck driver was taught and had to demonstrate when he got his CDL license to USE YOUR SIDE MIRRORS at all intersections when turning.

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Claymores come to mind. Nothing like shredding a vehicle with an anti-personnel munition to put drivers on notice. We don't need to go crazy and go with anti-material munitions.

I'd also be in favor of a similar deterrent to enforce rideshare pickup zones.
I should have guessed; but at least you made me learn something. I had no clue what a Claymore was.

You can't fool me though. In your heart you know that ride-sharing is a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.

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When it comes to plastic bollards, I still do not understand why they are needed - particularly when using a parking protected solution. Bumper blocks, on the other hand, are absolutely needed...
Well here's what they recently installed on 15th St looks like; Click and scroll. They are fugly but at least in this case the bike lane is wide enough for passing. But I can also understand why many riders do not like "protected" lanes.

It's one thing to design something on paper and quite another to cope with the limitations and even hazards in real life. In the Denver7 video a rider comes along who goes outside of the bike lane on So Marion Pkwy. Given the narrower bike lane on that street I can see how curb-barriers could be very hazardous when trying to pass someone - or just in general. Those barriers could send a 'distracted' bike rider flying off their bike.

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Sooner or later, Protected Intersections will have to come into this conversation as well.
It's been pointed out there has been a number of crashes along this stretch of road. My guess is that they occur primarily at intersections. It might be that paying more attention to intersections would be more beneficial than concrete curbs for protected bike lanes.
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DIA Accuses Great Hall Developer of Misconduct; Threatens Contract Termination
July 26, 2019 By Brian Maass - CBS4
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DENVER (CBS4) – The rift grew dramatically this week between Denver International Airport and the developer of the Great Hall project, with DIA accusing the developer of “an incredible lack of professionalism.” Officials accused the developer of disrupting the terminal during the airports busiest time of year, “knowingly interfering with airport activities” and breaching its contract, potentially leading to termination of the deal.
Just a little tiff I assume?
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The explosive accusations are contained in four letters dated July 24 and sent from DIA to the developer of the Great Hall project. CBS4 obtained the letters Friday under a Colorado Open Records Act Request.
  • Notice of Non-Compliance with MWBE Commitments
  • Initial Breach Notice – Restoration of Escalators
  • Initial Breach Notice – Intentional Interference with Airport Activities
  • Response to Developers Request to Work without a Permit and Violate City Law
Well then, let me grab a beer and pull up a chair; this could get interesting.
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Colorado Transportation Commission pivoting toward highway alternatives
Jul 26, 2019 By Ed Sealover – Reporter, Denver Business Journal
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Gov. Jared Polis has begun to remake the Colorado Transportation Commission from a board that focuses on improving highway safety by expanding roadways to one that could dedicate a much higher percentage of the state’s resources to alternative means of mobility, from passenger rail to bike-sharing.
Standing O from the crowd on my left.
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The first-year Democratic governor in early July replaced four of the 11 members of the commission after they had finished their second four-year terms on the group, adding onto the group a transit coordinator and a public-land conservation activist, among others.

The remaking of a commission ... gels with Polis’ bigger-picture ideas of how transportation should be planned in the future. During his gubernatorial campaign last year, the Democrat pushed for more transit-oriented development, espoused the eventual creation of Front Range rail and said the state cannot build its way out of the congestion that floods it now.
And tears of concern from the crowd on my right.
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...even traditional road-building advocates acknowledge the need for working transit and other mobility options, ... some are concerned by how sharply CDOT and its governing board are pivoting their focus, especially as state officials acknowledge there remains a $9 billion backlog in transportation-infrastructure needs.

And they worry that as CDOT officials begin to study high-dollar options such as Front Range rail, that will create an “either/or” scenario with still-needed expansions of highways like Interstate 25 and Interstate 70 that could leave Colorado’s main vehicle thoroughfares even further behind where they should be.
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