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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 1:52 PM
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I'm just anal to see if I'm right. Are these the new columns?

Guys, I love you all. STEEL!!! MORE AND MORE!!!

(YAY that is !!)

But Ghost... u're what???
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 1:53 PM
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I never saw the logic in that. Why throw away perfectly good office space for air. I'm glad they finally regained their minds. The birdcage designs just weren't doing it.

Keep in mind that the height was specifically for the broadcasting towers. (The office space was as the site plan suggested). The broadcasters were originally planning to build their own 2,000 ft tower. But when plans were announced for a tall tower at the WTC site, they saw a chance to get back into the city, and the original site. Love it or hate it, it would have been massive for sure...

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By the end of November 2003, the design that Childs and Nordenson were proposing was a tower 1,776-feet tall with an antenna that would reach 2,000 feet. "I suggested this thing be 2,000 feet, because I knew that the higher it could be, the better it was in terms of broadcasting, and that the whole purpose of having something this tall was to create this platform for the antennas," Nordenson told FRONTLINE. But Libeskind thought a 2,000-foot tower would overwhelm his master plan, and insisted that the tower top off at 1,776 feet.

At the unveiling of the compromise design in December 2003 and again at the laying of the Freedom Tower's cornerstone in July 2004, LMDC officials insisted that the tower would end at the symbolic 1,776 feet -- a 1,500-foot building topped off by an asymmetrical 276-foot spire.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 6:06 PM
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I'm just anal to see if I'm right. Are these the new columns?

Yes, those are the new ones. The overhead pic from the webcam this came from isn't high resolution, but it's a good way to keep track of progress.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 6:18 PM
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Just as promised with the erection of the steel.
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Keep in mind that the height was specifically for the broadcasting towers. (The office space was as the site plan suggested). The broadcasters were originally planning to build their own 2,000 ft tower. But when plans were announced for a tall tower at the WTC site, they saw a chance to get back into the city, and the original site. Love it or hate it, it would have been massive for sure...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...er/closer.html



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Old Posted Nov 13, 2007, 7:11 PM
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I've only got one thing to say to these designs;
It was lightyears better than the compromise to me. There aren't any details to see from those renderings, the broadcast tower is just a skeleton of what would have actually been built.

At 2,000 ft, they could have worked up the height of the other towers...
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I definitely like the current design the best, I just wish it were taller.

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll push the final height up a hundred feet or more!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 1:54 AM
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1,776 feet or 2,000 feet: it would hardly made a difference to a pedestrian at street level. Neither would have been the WTB, so what's 224 feet?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 2:20 AM
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A Room With a View

Sorry so many, but I figured you guys would appreciate the unique views I got Nov. 3-4 from the Millenium Hilton of the Ground Zero site. We were in a very nice room on the 31st floor.

























































The double glazing and the angle made it extremely difficult to get the footprints of Towers 3 and 4. There were excavators over there though, working all day Saturday. The big spotlights also made for horrible reflections when shooting at night.
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Awesome Update!!!!!!!!!!
     
     
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Yeah, those pics are G-R-R-R-REAT!!!!!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 5:05 AM
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Outstanding pictures! Ahhhhh, the sweet sight of progress!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 8:55 AM
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 11:46 AM
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From PLINKO ( more please )

Are these remenants of the old buildings ?



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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 2:04 PM
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Yes, the 'survivor staircase' and looks like part of the old parking garage/plaza structure
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 4:37 PM
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it is amazing how intact the old parking structure held up., will the demo it as the new building gets underway..
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 5:18 PM
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will they demo it as the new building gets underway..
The old parking structure will not be demolished as it is required for the subway underneath it. The surviving parking structure was demolished 2 years ago. The FT will be built around it.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 5:48 PM
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As if anyone needed more visual proof as to how much of a logistical nightmare this site is, look at the office trailers all piled up!

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2007, 5:56 PM
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Great pics plinko, thanks. I hope they keep that overpass.
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