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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 1:11 AM
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"New West" Does Not Include Manitoba; Province Seen as an Economic Weakling

Sustaining boom focus of western premiers meeting, Wall says
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 | 9:03 AM MT Comments19Recommend9
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Getting ready to host his first western premiers conference, Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall says he wants to focus on sustaining the West's economic boom and working on issues of common interest.

"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Western Canada," Wall said.

"There's the opportunity … to really co-operate on important environmental issues related to energy development and on enhanced oil recovery, energy security, those kind of things."

Leaders from the western provinces and northern territories were arriving in Prince Albert on Wednesday.

Labour shortages, a housing shortage and climate change are some of the other issues western leaders will be dealing with Thursday and Friday, he said.

The leaders won't necessarily agree on how to reduce greenhouse gases, noted Wall. B.C. recently introduced a carbon tax, which Wall does not favour.

Some of Wall's comments were echoed by Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach, who also said he wants the provinces to keep enjoying the economic good times.

For the first time in many years, Alberta is sandwiched between non-NDP governments on either side — Gordon Campbell's Liberals in B.C. and to the east, Wall's Saskatchewan Party.

Stelmach is promoting what he calls the "new West," believing that Western Canada's economic influence continues to grow.

"The U.S. downturn in their economy has put tremendous economic pressures on many of our provinces, especially Ontario and Manitoba, so really the new West truly is the formula — one that's driving the Canadian economy," he said.

Stelmach wants to rally more support to eliminate trade and mobility barriers. He also hopes to generate more interest in carbon capture and storage technology, he said.

The conference is attended by premiers and officials from Saskatchewan, Manitoba, British Columbia, Alberta, Northwest Territories, the Yukon and Nunavut.

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/st...l-western.html
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Umm, WTF????? Manitoba being hit hard by the US recession? I thought that Manitoba was leading Canada in economic growth?

So which is it? Are we growing or floundering? Who is lying and who is telling the truth?
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 1:33 AM
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Stopped reading right there.
Yeah notice how CBC never reports anything related to what others report.
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 2:16 AM
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This story is contrary to what I think! It must be false!
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 3:14 AM
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its an article from CBC edmonton...no wonder...i am sure they just assumed...

here is another article from CBC:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/st...h.html?ref=rss

Manitoba's economic growth expected to lead country in 2008

Last Updated: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 | 2:57 PM CT Comments3Recommend26CBC News

Manitoba is expected to lead all provinces in economic growth in 2008 for the second consecutive year, according to the Conference Board of Canada's latest provincial outlook.

The outlook, released Tuesday, predicts the province's gross domestic product will grow by 3.7 per cent again in 2008, making it the fastest-growing provincial economy.

Boosted by ongoing construction projects, robust domestic spending and an optimistic outlook for manufacturing, the Manitoba economy is "firing on all cylinders," according to a board release.

"There's a lot of momentum in the construction sector at the moment. There's some large mega-projects that are in development in the province — if we look in particular at the Wuskwatim hydro project — so that's fuelling construction activity," board spokeswoman Marie-Christine Bernard told CBC News.

"There's been several new jobs and employment growth has been very strong and in combination there's been some provincial and federal tax cuts, so Manitobans are spending. So that's also fuelling growth in the economy."

The province's manufacturing sector is also booming due to large orders for buses and aircraft parts, sparking an expected 5.5 per cent growth in that sector, according to the board's outlook.

Saskatchewan is also poised for strong growth, while Alberta's economy is cooling down, the outlook says.

Ontario and Quebec are expected to face economic challenges due to a "sombre" outlook south of the border, but neither is expected to slide into recession.




Manitoba Expected to Lead All Provinces in Economic Growth in 2008

Ottawa, March 11— Manitoba’s economy is forecast to expand by 3.7 per cent for the second consecutive year, making it the fastest-growing provincial economy in Canada in 2008, according to the Conference Board’s Provincial Outlook – Winter 2008.

“Boosted by ongoing construction projects, robust domestic spending and an optimistic outlook for manufacturing, the Manitoba economy is firing on all cylinders. Its neighbour, Saskatchewan, is also poised for another year of strong growth,” said Marie-Christine Bernard, Associate Director, Provincial Outlook. “In central Canada, the sombre U.S. outlook will present a challenge for both Ontario and Quebec, but neither province is expected to slide into a recession.”

In spite of the slowing U.S. economy and the high Canadian dollar, the well-diversified manufacturing sector in Manitoba is being fuelled by large, lucrative orders for buses and aircraft parts. As a result, manufacturing in Manitoba is expected to grow by an average of 5.5 per cent over the next two years, two percentage points higher than the national average.

Saskatchewan’s economy is also booming, with growth of 3.6 per cent expected in 2008—slightly below the province’s 2007 pace. High commodity prices are driving mining activity and boosting construction projects. In addition, new migrants are bolstering Saskatchewan’s domestic economy.

Alberta’s economy is cooling down, due to a five-year low in drilling activity, combined with weaker gains in retail sales and lower population growth. But the service sector is still anticipated to grow strongly, boosting overall economic growth to 3.3 per cent in 2008.

Weakness in the United States is cause for concern for British Columbia’s forestry and manufacturing sectors, but the province’s domestic economy remains strong enough to produce real GDP growth of 3.1 per cent this year.

The weakening trade balance will continue to erode bottom-line growth in Ontario and Quebec, and more manufacturing layoffs are expected. Still, healthy capital spending and decent income growth will support Ontario’s economy, producing growth of 2.1 per cent in 2008. The domestic economy in Quebec is even more of a pillar of growth, thanks to federal and provincial tax cuts that will boost consumption. As a result, Quebec’s real GDP is forecast to grow by 2.4 per cent. Both provinces can expect better performances in 2009.

In Nova Scotia, new private investment in capital projects and stronger manufacturing prospects should add to a vigourous service sector, producing growth of 2.6 per cent this year. New Brunswick will benefit from strong mining and construction activity—offsetting difficulties in the forestry sector—to produce growth of 2.2 per cent in 2008. Following a hiring boom in 2007, Prince Edward Island’s economy will increase by a modest 1.9 per cent this year, although tax reductions over the past 10 months will support income growth.

After growing by 7.3 per cent last year, Newfoundland and Labrador will post growth of just 1.5 per cent in 2008, due to a decline in oil production
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 3:21 AM
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^ This is what I mean. On one hand, you have these positive articles. On the other hand, premiers from other provinces are disregarding Manitoba which does nothing but give bad publicity.

The real question is: who is right and who is lying?

All I want is the truth: no bullshit bias from one side or another.
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Don't blame CBC for Stelmach's error. Blame Albertans.
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In all fairness, the articles saying Manitoba would be a growth leader in 2008 are from more than two months ago.
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I think we're all overly optimistic about Manitoba. From what i've heard, most of the new job growth is in government, construction (temporary jobs), and retail.
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I think we're all overly optimistic about Manitoba. From what i've heard, most of the new job growth is in government, construction (temporary jobs), and retail.
You could probably say the same thing about the rest of the western provinces. Alberta and Saskatchewan are bragging about building their economies the same way Russia is.....wow, what a role model. Natural resources look good today but are not the foundation for a future. My guess is that Manitoba's economy, outside of ag, probably has more in common with Ontario than it does Alta/Sask. Personally, I can't see BC or Manitoba fanning the flames of this New West concept.

Comments like the one by Stelmach are an example why people dislike the ignorance and arrogance coming out of Alberta. It's one thing to brag if your economy is booming because it is a high tech, R&D haven, it's another story if you're ripping things out of the ground.
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I think we're all overly optimistic about Manitoba. From what i've heard, most of the new job growth is in government, construction (temporary jobs), and retail.
dont think that is true at all actually....manitoba's job growth is far more diverse than it is in any other western province....particularily alberta and saskatchewan....practicaly every sector is starving for qualified employees.

btw, how is the construction industry temporary?
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Natural resources look good today but are not the foundation for a future.
Case in point: Northern Ontario. (And Newfoundland and Labrador. And the Maritimes.)
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Stelmach is promoting what he calls the "new West," believing that Western Canada's economic influence continues to grow.

"The U.S. downturn in their economy has put tremendous economic pressures on many of our provinces, especially Ontario and Manitoba, so really the new West truly is the formula — one that's driving the Canadian economy," he said.
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This is a Stelmach quote and has nothing to do with CBC, other than they reported his quote. In fact if anything they are trying to point out Stelmach's lack of understanding of the rest of the country.

Most in Alberta do not really think of Manitoba as west. In my experience Manitobans are a mixture of western and eastern attitudes (but specifically Ontario as far as eastern Canada). In the west I would say from experimence that Manitobans share more in common with people from BC than Alberta. Of course this changes from rural to metropolitan areas.

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I think we're all overly optimistic about Manitoba. From what i've heard, most of the new job growth is in government, construction (temporary jobs), and retail.
Construction is not temporary jobs.
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I honestly don't know what the economic situation is like in Manitoba so I won't speculate one way or the other, but I'll just clarify that Saskatchewan has a lot going for it right now and it's not dominated by oil like our neighbours to the West. Granted, a lot of it is still natural resources, but it's definetely spread across a wide sprectrum of resources (potash, oil, gas, uranium, coal, etc). Agriculture is also set to have a great year thanks to record high grain prices and there's also Ehtanol plants in development. Diamonds and rare earth metals are also on the horizon as well. We've suffered for a long time here so it's nice to see things picking up for once. Hopefully things are good in Manitoba as well, regardless of which sectors are booming .
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Some one earlier said that Saskatchewan and Alberta are following Russias economic growth formula, like it was a bad thing. I personally have nothing wrong with that considering that Russia is becoming one of the worlds most powerful countries after economic turmiol only a decade ago. As for Manitoba being an economic weakling, pfft, we all know that isn't true. But i don't like the insults being thrown over twords Saskatchewan becuase of one dumb mans dumb comment. OH WAIT, insult Brad Wall all you want. I do not care about that.
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I think he/she means the former Soviet Union which favoured economics over the environment.

One such example is the Aral Sea which has retreated considerably since the sixties. There they diverted rivers flowing into the Aral Sea to irrigate nearby cotton farms which obviously had a drastic effect on the health of the environment.

There's a town called Aral, now in Kazakhstan, which was named for its place on the Sea. At one point the sea had drifted more than 100km away, after the rivers were diverted.

Maybe a bit of a stretch as we in Saskatchewan haven't done anything to that degree, but the Alberta Oil sands....well that's another story.
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Yeah notice how CBC never reports anything related to what others report.
Thats a good thing. Do you want to hear just one side of every story?
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Some one earlier said that Saskatchewan and Alberta are following Russias economic growth formula, like it was a bad thing. I personally have nothing wrong with that considering that Russia is becoming one of the worlds most powerful countries after economic turmiol only a decade ago. As for Manitoba being an economic weakling, pfft, we all know that isn't true. But i don't like the insults being thrown over twords Saskatchewan becuase of one dumb mans dumb comment. OH WAIT, insult Brad Wall all you want. I do not care about that.
What I meant to say that putting all of your eggs in one basket when it comes to natural resources is a seductive but very dangerous path. Russia is riding the wave of natural resources as well but they have been panned by magazines like the Economist for playing with this fire.

Sask is more diverse than Alta in natural resources but again, subject to global commodity demand. If a jurisdiction is able to avoid the trap and start diversifying its economy when times are good, that'll be something to be proud of in the future. Hopefully for Sask, they'll be able to do this.

Bottom Line: Alta/Sask shouldn't be thumping their chests too hard because when your not that diversified economically, things can unravel quite fast. If you can do what Texas did and diversify into a bigtime IT/medical/financial centre, then go ahead and brag. And in Alta's case, check the facts before you speak.
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