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Those designs would have the checklist planners at the City having fits.
And the community associations having the sh— [language! - ed.]
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You should attend some meetings of Panel 1 of the Committee of Adjustment and provide that as your feedback at the podium in favour of an application. That I would pay to see.
All I'd need to do is utter that line, then kick my feet up and watch the show, as much a spectator as you - only I'd have gotten in for free.
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All I'd need to do is utter that line, then kick my feet up and watch the show, as much a spectator as you - only I'd have gotten in for free.
Just let us know when you're planning to utter those lines and I'm sure people will attend.
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Just let us know when you're planning to utter those lines and I'm sure people will attend.
Im in.
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Let them have their fits. This is one of seven cities that hosts a Maman-class statue. We can stand to host a little more planned weirdness here and there.
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Let them have their fits. This is one of seven cities that hosts a Maman-class statue. We can stand to host a little more planned weirdness here and there.
No, not planned wierdness.

Allowed wierdness.

Ottawa needs fewer things that are planned, and more things that just are.
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No, not planned wierdness.

Allowed wierdness.

Ottawa needs fewer things that are planned, and more things that just are.
I didn't see this when you posted it, but I'm glad you articulated what I'm thinking (or most people may be thinking?). Strict control doesn't produce anything nice or fun.
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Ottawa planners want broader infill rules — and for a broader area

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 22, 2015, Last Updated: May 22, 2015 1:51 PM EDT


Weeks after new rules to curb often controversial infill developments in Ottawa’s central neighbourhoods received a stamp of approval from the Ontario Municipal Board, the planning committee is set to consider further changes to the zoning bylaw that would apply to neighbourhoods outside the core.

The background

The Mature Neighbourhoods Bylaw, also known as Infill I, concerned itself with aspects of new residential development in established communities that are most visible from the street — things like front setbacks, parking location, balconies and other physical elements of the building itself.

The rules apply to Ottawa’s oldest neighbourhoods in inner-urban wards, including Rideau-Vanier (west of Rideau River), New Edinburgh, Somerset, Kitchissippi and Capital.

The bylaw was passed in 2012 and later appealed to the OMB. In 2013, the city was asked to reconsider some aspects of the bylaw. Council endorsed a revised and renamed bylaw a year later, which was approved by the OMB on May 4.

Infill II, the sequel

After work began on the first infill bylaw, council asked planning staff to conduct a followup study to consider other issues such as height, building bulk, rear and side setbacks, and various things that stick out of buildings (balconies, rooftop terraces, etc.).

The second phase of the study, which began in spring 2013, was expanded to include urban wards outside the core, including Bay, College, Knoxdale-Merivale, Gloucester-Southgate, Beacon Hill-Cyrville, Rideau-Vanier (east of Rideau River), River and Alta Vista.

Rockcliffe Park will be exempt from the Infill II regulations until the completion of its Heritage Conservation District Plan.

The recommendations

There are 11, relating to everything from the size of rear yards and the height of new buildings to the severing of some large corner lots and the limiting of rooftop terraces to reduce privacy issues.

Some aspects of the new bylaw will apply to neighbourhoods covered by the first study, but the streetscape character analysis — the thrust of Infill I that requires developers to look to what’s currently on a street for cues about what’s acceptable to build — will not apply to the expanded study areas outside the core, said John Smit, manager of policy development and urban design.

The recommendations are scheduled to come before the planning committee at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday.

Sticking points

Extensive discussions with developers and community associations have been productive. But Smit’s report to planning committee says some differences of opinion remain.

Proposed height reductions and increases in required rear-yard setbacks are a problem for some developers because they could have a negative effect on flexibility and creativity in design, said Murray Chown, a consultant with Novatech, who works with smaller infill builders.

The changes could see mean a loss of square footage and up to an entire floor in some buildings, and force developers to construct more boxlike buildings instead of something slightly more architecturally interesting.

Meanwhile, Alta Vista Coun. Jean Cloutier and several community associations in his ward are concerned about a new provision that would allow some large corner lots to be severed in order to put up two small houses where previously one house stood. Cloutier wants to ensure that design plans already in place for Alta Vista, Faircrest Heights and Riverview Park are respected if Infill II is approved.

And Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney agrees with a community association in her downtown ward that some building heights should be reduced by more than what the new bylaw calls for. McKenney also says things sticking up from the roof, such as an enclosed stairway to access the roof, should be considered as part of the maximum building height.

What about the suburbs?

None of the proposed infill guidelines would apply to suburban wards, Smit says, because the pace of intensification in Barrhaven, Kanata and Orléans is not as demanding as it is inside the Greenbelt.

But down the road, a third study could look at infill in these areas of the city, he said.

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Planning committee considers new infill rules

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 27, 2015, Last Updated: May 27, 2015 10:58 AM EDT


Nothing drove home concerns about infill development quite like the pictures Phyllis Odenbach Sutton showed from her Old Ottawa East neighbourhood.

New houses, some still under construction, dwarfing the one next door; blank walls that run nearly the entire length of a lot, much longer than the neighbouring house; and a huge modern home, built nearly to the property line, with a three-car garage and a rooftop terrace featuring a wooden pergola.

“I really wanted you to see what we’re dealing with,” Odenbach Sutton told members of the planning committee on Tuesday.

Up for debate were a suite of proposed changes to the city’s zoning rules pertaining to infill development, which specifically consider issues such as height, building bulk, rear and side setbacks, and various things that stick out of buildings (balconies, rooftop terraces, etc.)

Infill 2, as it’s known, applies to neighbourhoods outside the core in wards that include Bay, College, Knoxdale-Merivale, Gloucester-Southgate, Beacon Hill-Cyrville, Rideau-Vanier (east of Rideau River), River and Alta Vista.

The new bylaw, which staff will continue to fiddle with before council has the final say on June 24, comes after the city passed infill rules that specifically apply to Ottawa’s oldest neighbourhoods in inner-urban wards such as Rideau-Vanier (west of Rideau River), New Edinburgh, Somerset, Kitchissippi and Capital.

Of particular concern among some is a provision that would allow the severing of some large corner lots.

On Alta Vista Drive between Smyth and Heron roads, for example, 39 of 52 corner lots would become eligible for severance if the bylaw is ultimately approved in its current state, said Garry Lindberg, chair of the Alta Vista Drive Residents Association.

Judy Korecky of the Faircrest Heights Community Association also voiced opposition to severing corner lots and called for further study.

“The proposal has gone too far and does not respect existing character,” she said.

But College Coun. Rick Chiarelli said the city must attempt to reach its intensification goals and severing some large lots is one way to accomplish that.

“How do we intensify if we don’t allow two units where one previously existed?” he asked.

The committee also heard concerns from a number of community associations and councillors about rooftop terraces and enclosed stairways used to access the roof. Some would like these to be included within the maximum allowable building height, not up to three metres in height in addition to the building, as the bylaw proposes.

“Our position is maximum height should be maximum height,” said Thomas McVeigh of the Centretown Citizens Community Association.

Developers, however, say some of the new rules could limit creativity and flexibility, and make it harder to meet the city’s intensification targets.

Janet Bradley, speaking on behalf of Claridge Homes, told the committee the new infill rules seem designed to bring the uniformity of the suburbs into the city’s core, and that could mean a lost opportunity for architectural expression and good urban design.

“Diversity is the spice of life,” she told the committee.

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Planning committee considers new infill rules

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 27, 2015, Last Updated: May 27, 2015 10:58 AM EDT


Nothing drove home concerns about infill development quite like the pictures Phyllis Odenbach Sutton showed from her Old Ottawa East neighbourhood.

New houses, some still under construction, dwarfing the one next door; blank walls that run nearly the entire length of a lot, much longer than the neighbouring house; and a huge modern home, built nearly to the property line, with a three-car garage and a rooftop terrace featuring a wooden pergola.
Blank walls, OK.

But how are any of these other things a problem, or, for that matter, any of her damn business?
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Planning committee OKs slight changes to city's infill rules

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: June 14, 2016 | Last Updated: June 14, 2016 3:57 PM EDT


Tweaks to the city’s zoning rules pertaining to infill development approved Tuesday by the planning committee failed to quell the discontent of at least one community association, which pledged to take its complaint to the Ontario Municipal Board.

The Infill 2 bylaw, which applies to urban wards outside the core, including Bay, College, Knoxdale-Merivale, Gloucester-Southgate, Beacon Hill-Cyrville, Rideau-Vanier (east of Rideau River), River and Alta Vista, outlines rules for height, building bulk, rear and side setbacks, and various things that stick out of buildings (balconies, rooftop terraces, etc).

Five appeals were filed to the OMB after council approved the bylaw last summer.

In reaching a partial settlement with some of the parties in May, the city has agreed to clarify some of the rules and make the language between this and other city bylaws more consistent.

“The lion’s share of appeals has been dealt with in this recommendation,” said planning committee chair Jan Harder.

But still outstanding is the Old Ottawa East Community Association’s appeal. It wants the height of triplex dwellings capped at 10 metres, instead of 11, arguing the extra metre of height is letting developers cram more units into a property than should be allowed.

The city does not consider the appeal valid, but Harder said the group can continue with its OMB appeal. “This isn’t the end of the process for those who don’t agree,” she said.

The community association will move forward with its appeal, confirmed Phyllis Odenbach-Sutton, the association’s president.

“What we want, from my perspective, is reasonable intensification,” she said.

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Planning committee OKs slight changes to city's infill rules

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: June 14, 2016 | Last Updated: June 14, 2016 3:57 PM EDT


Tweaks to the city’s zoning rules pertaining to infill development approved Tuesday by the planning committee failed to quell the discontent of at least one community association, which pledged to take its complaint to the Ontario Municipal Board.

The Infill 2 bylaw, which applies to urban wards outside the core, including Bay, College, Knoxdale-Merivale, Gloucester-Southgate, Beacon Hill-Cyrville, Rideau-Vanier (east of Rideau River), River and Alta Vista, outlines rules for height, building bulk, rear and side setbacks, and various things that stick out of buildings (balconies, rooftop terraces, etc).

Five appeals were filed to the OMB after council approved the bylaw last summer.

In reaching a partial settlement with some of the parties in May, the city has agreed to clarify some of the rules and make the language between this and other city bylaws more consistent.

“The lion’s share of appeals has been dealt with in this recommendation,” said planning committee chair Jan Harder.

But still outstanding is the Old Ottawa East Community Association’s appeal. It wants the height of triplex dwellings capped at 10 metres, instead of 11, arguing the extra metre of height is letting developers cram more units into a property than should be allowed.

The city does not consider the appeal valid, but Harder said the group can continue with its OMB appeal. “This isn’t the end of the process for those who don’t agree,” she said.

The community association will move forward with its appeal, confirmed Phyllis Odenbach-Sutton, the association’s president.

“What we want, from my perspective, is reasonable intensification,” she said.

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Space limitations at the Citizen? That article might have been more informative if the actually "tweaks" had been explained.
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Space limitations at the Citizen? That article might have been more informative if the actually "tweaks" had been explained.
The full list of settlement terms is in the report that went to Committee. The key piece is a new formula for calculating rear-yard setbacks that had both communities' and builder support. The only outstanding appeal if Council supports these will be OOE objection on the triplexes. That will go to a hearing.
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isn't a triplex by definition 3 units? how many extra units does an extra metre cram?
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isn't a triplex by definition 3 units? how many extra units does an extra metre cram?
11 m typically allows 3 full storeys and a partial basement. 10 m allows 3 storeys and not much else. Many triplex buildings sneak in a basement unit either during construction or after the last inspection. A triplex does not need site plan approval. A four unit building does.

If this is the only thing left to negotiate the OOE better be pretty prepared to fight it out at an OMB hearing. They likely won't have staff or Council support and they will have to fundraise to pay for experts. The odds are stacked against them.
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seems like something we should be dealing with using stricter enforcement. Say fines and impose a prohibitive bond on applications/projects from previously a previously-fined developers that they would forfeit if they snuck in more than they were approved for?

(I would propose doing the same with flagrant parking violations; e.g., according to the planner who approved this project in Mechanicsville, this driveway: https://goo.gl/maps/HDfwyj7tfS82, and this driveway: https://goo.gl/maps/ZZ9rHmc3tk22, shouldn't be here, because both units have garages around the corners, here's one of them: https://goo.gl/maps/9Y3NzUshBd92)

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seems like something we should be dealing with that with stricter enforcement. Say fines and impose a prohibitive bond on applications/projects from previously a previously-fined developers that they would forfeit if they snuck in more than they were approved for?

(I would propose doing the same with flagrant parking violations; e.g., according to the planner who approved this project in Mechanicsville, this driveway: https://goo.gl/maps/HDfwyj7tfS82, and this driveway: https://goo.gl/maps/ZZ9rHmc3tk22, shouldn't be here, because both units have garages around the corners, here's one of them: https://goo.gl/maps/9Y3NzUshBd92)
That is the strangest thing.
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That is the strangest thing.
If you were to look around the neighbourhoods that Infill 1 and 2 cover you would be amazed at the construction that occurred w/o permits, contrary to approved drawings etc. The hard part comes in trying to figure out what was legally allowed and when it was built and if it is allowed to continue as a legal non-conforming use or not.

The outlying, generally newer areas are much more compliant on the exterior. In those areas it tends to be finished basements and large backyard decks and inground pools w/o permits.
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