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Originally Posted by waves
Glad to see you back at it full force. There is a lot of stuff and this map and after looking at it for 20 min I still feel I likely missed something.
I will try to stick to what I know best: the North Shore
Developments- Cypress Heights: You may still see development yet, but not above the 1200m development height restriction.
- Grouse Heights: It is steep already at the top edge of development in the Montroyal area. Think of the infamed Skyline Dr for longboarding. Going past this is highly unlikely and would eat into many many local trails (Baden Powel, BCMC, Skyline, Powerline Trails).
- Seymour Heights: This highly litigious parcel under ownership by CMHC has been the topic of heavy debate between the community and the landowner for many many years. Problems continue to arise even to this day. It is possible this land gets developed but also highly unlikely.
- The Indian Arm Development Expansion: Could be possible. Would have to meet the conditions of the following bylaw.
Transportation- The Railway T-Intersection at the south end of the Second Narrows Bridge: The railway going over the bridge doesn't have a connection to CP's line going from downtown to Port Coquitlam. It actually comes right out of a tunnel that connects to the Grandview cut. If you were to make this work you might have to do something similar to what is done in Yoho National Park with the twin tunnels (build a Right-Right-Right circular tunnel). Not impossible but very impractical.
- Dollarton Seabus: This doesn't make a lot of sense since that is Cates Park and the other side is just houses. Would make more sense to connect Deep Cove to Port Moody/Coquitlam.
- Eight Laning Hwy 1 from 2nd Narrows to Taylor Way: Ambitious. I don't think the cross sectional width from Westview to Capilano Road would be able to support such an increase? Right now Mountain Hwy to 2nd Narrows is a bottleneck and really should be a cut and cover 8 lane highway. Not going to happen unfortunately, at least not this time round.
- Anvil Island Bridge: +1
- Lonsdale Gondola: I would need convincing. Also, going up the 29th hill would be silly, better to terminate it at Harry Jerome, then have an East West Line starting at Grouse Mountain, past Cap Suspension Bridge, Edgemont Village, Delbrook Community Center, Westview, Harry Jerome, over the highway to Lynn Valley Road and continue it up Lynn Valley Road, up Mountain Highway and then terminate it at the Mountain Biking parking lot
- Jericho Seabus: I think you were aiming for Dundrave, but you went a little bit too far West. It's an 11km Ferry Ride and could take about 30 min roughly. Seabus is already one of the most expensive things Translink uses. For every Seabus trip they run, they could run 20 full length 240 bus trips. This is also part of their motivation to have the buses as a one zone pass to actually decrease Seabus usage in favour of buses.
- Inlet Express Commuter Rail: To get any ridership on this, it needs to be competitive against other modes. Does it get you from Waterfront to Lonsdale Quay faster than the Seabus? Horseshoe Bay faster than the 257? Phibbs faster than the 210? The one advantage it may have is Phibbs to Park Royal - I don't see the advantages elsewhere.
Also, the creek watershed idea in Coquitlam is interesting. I don't have the background knowledge though to comment on feasibility.
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Thanks for the feedback. It's hard to research most of this sort of thing- I'm used to alternate history, where all the information is a few searches and book recommendations away. Research for this is comparatively difficult- and I left months ago.
So a lot is going to be inaccurate.
Developments:
Cypress Heights: I remember reading about a revisal on the 1200m height restriction- though I'm assuming no one has really to bothered to remove it yet. The area is pretty bad for development in general, but it's pretty close into the city.
The idea was that the British Properties would gradually continue to expand westwards in the next decades, as they did in the past- though to be fair, the total amount was pretty extreme.
Grouse Heights
Yeah, to be fair, this zone is fairly steep. May be best to incorporate most of the land into the existing Metro Parks system.
Seymour Heights
I'm probably going to assume development takes place by 2050. This is an 'optimistic map' anyways.
Indian Arm
It would have to be, lol. Otherwise, traffic would be insane on the primary road coming in and out of the area.
Railway T-Intersection
I was aware of this issue. The other issue is that there's going to be issues with traffic jams around the bridge, and around Downtown N. Van.
I'd kept that one thing for so long in these transit plans, I was reluctant to finally let go of it for a Upper Levels BRT.
Sigh. Goodbye, sweet North Van Rail line.
Dollarton Seabus
But at that point, you may as well build a bridge from Belcarra to North Van, via #25.
I don't think the people in Belcarra would be happy about a largely isolated community having an expresway jammed right though it- and is there a real reason to?
I think it
might be best to get rid of it, and just expand bus service in that direction.
Expanded Upper Levels
I kind of
have to put that there, otherwise, that area would become a serious bottleneck due to the Sunshine Coast Link. There's only one practical bridge from the North Shore to the rest of Metro Van- unless you want to use the Seabus or Lion's Gate. :/
Lonsdale Gondola
I take it you're joking?
But seriously though- I really should have made that section Skytrain. I don't know what I was smoking when I made that. The Slopes aren't
that high in Lynn Valley.
Jericho Seabus
But can Lion's Gate handle that extra traffic? I doubt it. The Seabus route is probably faster- that overstressed Bridge really doesn't need any more traffic. Unless a parallel bridge is built. But that would go through Stanley Park, which raises more issues.
The North Shore end also still ends in Dundrave. Are we looking at the same map, or am I just being stupid?
No good solution here.
Creek watershed idea in Coquitlam
That existed since the 70s? I think?
Anyways, I only put that there on the map so I don't accidentally expand development into the Water supply zone, which is all reserved public land.
Plus, clean water is important.
In any case, I don't expect myself to stay here too long. The debacle still is stuck in the back of my mind whenever I come here; honestly, I was on the verge of not even finishing this. Hence why it took 2/3s of a year.
I'm glad things can change though.