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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:34 PM
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Isn't Midway SWs largest hub too?
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:42 PM
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If the likes of Luton (29mi) and Stanstead (42 mi) can be sizable airports for London than I don't see how Gary (25mi) may not be able to lure some traffic especially if coupled with dependable links with the SSL.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:44 PM
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Isn't Midway SWs largest hub too?
yes.

MDW has 261 southwest flights a day that serve 71 different non-stop destinations, both numbers being the largest for any airport southwest serves.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southw...nes#Top_cities
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 7:24 PM
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Only people that aren't from New York would think of SWF as a "secondary" airport for New York City. To say that SWF's connection to New York City is terrible would be an understatement. It's about 75 miles due north of the city. The nearest transit connection to NYC would be the Port Jervis Line Metro North station west of Vails Gate near Cornwall, so about 5 or 6 miles away. Edit - Actually I forgot, since I used the Hudson Line the most, but the Port Jervis line is a PITA to use to get into NYC because you need to switch at Secaucus Junction to the NJ Transit trains serving Penn Station...which isn't an easy transfer...more like doors open and you sprint at a dead run up the stairs from the platform to the mezzanine then across the station to the NJ Transit platforms then down those stairs and onto the trains. Otherwise the only way you get to NYC from Stewart is taking 87 down into Jersey then over the Tappan Zee or the GW (depending on which type of Hell you prefer) or crossing the Hudson at Newburgh-Beacon and taking the Taconic. It's tremendously inconvenient to get to from NYC especially given the proximity of JFK, LGA, EWR, and HPN. Given the distance even a conventional rail connection from the City to SWF wouldn't work since it would still take 90 minutes or so to get there. SWF only makes sense if there's a market to serve in the Hudson Valley itself especially since most everyone either drives north to ALB or south to EWR.

Till then SWF was is and remains predominantly an Air National Guard Base.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2018, 9:50 PM
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Virgin Hyperloop

Chicago is the object of affection with another cutting edge transit technology - the Virgin HyperLoop (Branson's virgin). Actually it seems some organization named MORPC is the lead agency on a study of Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh pax service. They are funding an EIS 1 study of Virgin Hyper Loop The Chi-Col-Pit route is one of 10 in the world that is being studied for the Hyper Loop. Good videos inside.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2018, 10:17 PM
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Chicago is the object of affection with another cutting edge transit technology - the Virgin HyperLoop (Branson's virgin). Actually it seems some organization named MORPC is the lead agency on a study of Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh pax service. They are funding an EIS 1 study of Virgin Hyper Loop The Chi-Col-Pit route is one of 10 in the world that is being studied for the Hyper Loop. Good videos inside.
It's never, ever going to happen. The hyperloop is a hyperfraud.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2018, 10:27 PM
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It's never, ever going to happen. The hyperloop is a hyperfraud.
Dude are you on the Koch Bros payroll? Seriously,We don't hear from you ever on this board and as soon as hyper loop or elon musk is mentioned you're all over it. Do you visit other city transit sites as well?
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 PM
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Hyperloop operates on the presumption that enthusiastic demand will have people lining up in huge numbers to ride an 800mph windowless claustrophobic vomit sled, and in numbers so great as to not just pay off the massive capital investment, but to actually make money. That's not exactly the definition of fraud. It's the definition of folly.
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Airline travel operates on the presumption that enthusiastic demand will have people lining up in huge numbers to ride an 800mph windowed claustrophobic vomit tube, and in numbers so great as to not just pay off the massive capital investment, but to actually make money. That's not exactly the definition of fraud. It's the definition of folly.
FTFY.

I get your point and don't entirely disagree, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. People are paying more than ever to live/work in dense city centers; if feasible, they'd love to live/work in multiple dense city centers.

There could also be a public component to investment, like with most transportation infrastructure.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2018, 11:41 PM
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Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 1:57 AM
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Dude are you on the Koch Bros payroll? Seriously,We don't hear from you ever on this board and as soon as hyper loop or elon musk is mentioned you're all over it. Do you visit other city transit sites as well?
The Hyperloop is vaporware. It's impossible to build, and if it could be built, it's impossible for it to make any economic sense. The capacity is inevitably much lower than "traditional" high-speed rail, or even 110mph passenger rail.

The paradox of fixed guideway transit is that higher speeds have lower capacity because the amount of space necessary for an emergency stop increases exponentially. It's a big reason why maglev has not and never will supplant HSR. 220mph is the threshold where speed reduces the number of trains that can operate per hour, per direction.

Shooting a pod at 600mph lowers the number of units that can operate each hour on a fixed guideway. HSR can operate 12-15 900-passenger trains per hour, per direction at 200-220mph. Musk's pea pods will transport how many people again? 30? And only be able to shoot 5-6 per hour? So $100+ billion dollars to connect Chicago and Columbus...and you can only transport 1,000~ people per day per direction?

People need to wake up. Musk is just making stuff up to keep his news in the media, just like Trump.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 2:15 AM
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Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about O'Hare Express, but Hyperloop is a different thing altogether. Massive engineering challenges there, and quite frankly I think even Musk is kind of stepping back from the whole thing and letting university students do his R&D for free.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 3:00 AM
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The Hyperloop is vaporware. It's impossible to build, and if it could be built, it's impossible for it to make any economic sense. The capacity is inevitably much lower than "traditional" high-speed rail, or even 110mph passenger rail.

The paradox of fixed guideway transit is that higher speeds have lower capacity because the amount of space necessary for an emergency stop increases exponentially. It's a big reason why maglev has not and never will supplant HSR. 220mph is the threshold where speed reduces the number of trains that can operate per hour, per direction.

Shooting a pod at 600mph lowers the number of units that can operate each hour on a fixed guideway. HSR can operate 12-15 900-passenger trains per hour, per direction at 200-220mph. Musk's pea pods will transport how many people again? 30? And only be able to shoot 5-6 per hour? So $100+ billion dollars to connect Chicago and Columbus...and you can only transport 1,000~ people per day per direction?

People need to wake up. Musk is just making stuff up to keep his news in the media, just like Trump.
Well said. I'd never heard the 220 hsr ceiling explained like that.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 3:17 AM
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Why, then, has Japan chosen maglev for the next generation of Shinkansen? They run 10 or 12 trains per hour on some of those lines.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 4:38 PM
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Why, then, has Japan chosen maglev for the next generation of Shinkansen? They run 10 or 12 trains per hour on some of those lines.

They are not replacing the existing HSR lines with maglev, it's a redundant second line to Osaka that I imagine will be charging a premium fare for the higher speed (a combination of higher speed and shorter distance). The second line will be mostly underground (somehow without the help of tunnel master Elon Musk).

The problem with the hyperloop is the same problem with maglev -- they have to build an entirely separate system. HSR around the world often uses conventional tracks in its approach to major cities. In Paris the TGV runs on regular intercity tracks. In California the HSR will share upgraded but conventional tracks with Caltrains between SF and SJ and LA Metrorail from Burbank to Union Station and then continuing to Anaheim.

Maglev looks like it suffers from the same problem as monorail with regard to clumsy switches that are prone to breakdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVIiel_SBUg


Meanwhile, there is no working prototype of a hyperloop mainline, let alone a switch track. Er, tube.
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