Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C - Page 54

GreaterMontréal · #**1061** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 8:44 PM**

the REM is a ''once in a lifetime'' transit project in Canada. If it wasn't for the Deux-Montagnes Line, the REM would not exist in its current form. The low cost of the entire project is in itself, incredible.

p_xavier · #**1062** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 9:55 PM**

Here was my original 2006 Ottawa metrO proposal (same principle as the REM in Montréal). This was to reuse the LRT assets instead of cancellation of the Siemens contract, and while waiting for a downtown tunnel to be constructed. The phasing can be seen as such.

The metrO logo was based on the city of Ottawa symbol and with a downwards arrow for the underground meaning.

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p_xavier · #**1063** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 10:06 PM**

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the REM is a ''once in a lifetime'' transit project in Canada. If it wasn't for the Deux-Montagnes Line, the REM would not exists in its current form. The low cost of the entire project is in itself, incredible.

This what happens when you remove the governments from most of the decision making. The speed of which everything comes to fruition is astonishing.

FFX-ME · #**1064** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 10:14 PM**

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Here was my original 2006 Ottawa metrO proposal (same principle as the REM in Montréal). This was to reuse the LRT assets instead of cancellation of the Siemens contract, and while waiting for a downtown tunnel to be constructed. The phasing can be seen as such.

The metrO logo was based on the city of Ottawa symbol and with a downwards arrow for the underground meaning.

It makes me sad that this isn't happening. It's so incredible.

p_xavier · #**1065** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 10:17 PM**

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It makes me sad that this isn't happening. It's so incredible.

I had costed every section and was writing which section were underground, above ground, or surface, and had a detailed google maps on where the stations entrances were and lines were.

I still haven't digested that Ottawa went with trams instead of light metro vehicles. The city study justifying this was incredibly sad. (most studies are but this was to another level). The city actually accepted to double their operating costs, to 200M$ per year, instead of having a future underpass at Iris.

1overcosc · #**1066** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 10:48 PM**

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I still haven't digested that Ottawa went with trams instead of light metro vehicles. The city study justifying this was incredibly sad. (most studies are but this was to another level). The city actually accepted to double their operating costs, to 200M$ per year, instead of having a future underpass at Iris.

Oh you'll love this recent development then

As part of Phase 2 Iris will be grade separated.

p_xavier · #**1067** Posted **Jun 28, 2016, 11:11 PM**

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Oh you'll love this recent development then

As part of Phase 2 Iris will be grade separated.

Oh god, so who got fired? Yeah, accountability...

J.OT13 · #**1068** Posted **Jun 29, 2016, 1:17 AM**

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Oh god, so who got fired? Yeah, accountability...

Thank God they came to their senses (partly) and decided to build the full system (Confederation Line, not Trillium) grade separated. That of course, takes out one of their rationales for the use of light rail; the possibility of running it surface along certain sections.

You should post your metrO on Ottawa's Dream Transit Thread.

blacktrojan3921 · #**1069** Posted **Jun 29, 2016, 3:17 AM**

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Ground breaking (aka political photo-op) at "Pimisi" (Algonquin word for "eel") station in Downtown Ottawa. Two updated renderings.

http://ottawastart.com/confederation...onquin-people/

The station will have an Algonquin theme. Note the chrome eel coming out of the aqueduct and the red poll-top donuts at the Booth Street entrances, Ottawa's tacky version of the famous and distinctive London Underground and Montreal Metro logo.

Well at least it won't try to use an M like most other metro transits

lubicon · #**1070** Posted **Jul 4, 2016, 6:25 PM**

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holy shit is this dumb. a lobbyist for some office building owner has succeeded in convincing the city that property values won't rise with the installation of rapid transit in front of their buildings. so the city has decided to spend hundreds of millions (article wasn't clear, is it $700 million more?) to bore a tunnel instead. i've looked at the calgary system, it's already at grade/elevated, so this one will make it worse?? the governments paying for it (we know it's not the city) should reject this and use the extra hundreds of millions on extra cars, another extension, etc.

Tunnel is easily the best option for the new Green Line. At grade is not a good choice at all as it involves crossing both the existing Blue and Red Lines (how you do that with 3 minute headways would be difficult) and also the CP rail Mainline and there is no way CP would let them do that at grade. Elevated isn't practical due to the number of +15 walkways DT which leaves underground as the best choice.

Beedok · #**1071** Posted **Jul 4, 2016, 7:51 PM**

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Thank God they came to their senses (partly) and decided to build the full system (Confederation Line, not Trillium) grade separated. That of course, takes out one of their rationales for the use of light rail; the possibility of running it surface along certain sections.

You should post your metrO on Ottawa's Dream Transit Thread.

Or Great Canadian Transit Fantasies Thread

(shameless plug)

p_xavier · #**1072** Posted **Jul 4, 2016, 10:19 PM**

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Thank God they came to their senses (partly) and decided to build the full system (Confederation Line, not Trillium) grade separated. That of course, takes out one of their rationales for the use of light rail; the possibility of running it surface along certain sections.

You should post your metrO on Ottawa's Dream Transit Thread.

You can use my old ideas no issue. BTW, the O-Train connections are exactly where the MOOSE system wants to connect to the LRT.

lrt's friend · #**1073** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 3:28 AM**

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You can use my old ideas no issue. BTW, the O-Train connections are exactly where the MOOSE system wants to connect to the LRT.

Which is why it leaves me scratching my head. How would this work?

p_xavier · #**1074** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 10:10 AM**

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Which is why it leaves me scratching my head. How would this work?

Some DMUs (akin to the UP in Toronto) can actually use the railways as is. It's just to have some platforms. The suburban network in Montreal was actually relaunched cheaply with success from temporary platforms using old GO-Trains.

It's more of the financial aspects that leave me scratching my head. As for the rail network itself, there is lots of excess capacity in Ottawa.

lrt's friend · #**1075** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 3:55 PM**

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Some DMUs (akin to the UP in Toronto) can actually use the railways as is. It's just to have some platforms. The suburban network in Montreal was actually relaunched cheaply with success from temporary platforms using old GO-Trains.

It's more of the financial aspects that leave me scratching my head. As for the rail network itself, there is lots of excess capacity in Ottawa.

The Trillium Line is at absolute capacity now. How can other trains share the route?

p_xavier · #**1076** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:13 PM**

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The Trillium Line is at absolute capacity now. How can other trains share the route?

The trains don't share most of the Trillium route though. They cross at Conderation Heights to Bayview but that's it.

https://www.letsgomoose.ca/maps/

The use the reminder tracks won't be an issue. Again that shows the the LRT route should have used the South-East Transitway and liberate the O-Train corridor from Bayview for heavy trains.

lrt's friend · #**1077** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:41 PM**

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The trains don't share most of the Trillium route though. They cross at Conderation Heights to Bayview but that's it.

https://www.letsgomoose.ca/maps/

The use the reminder tracks won't be an issue. Again that shows the the LRT route should have used the South-East Transitway and liberate the O-Train corridor from Bayview for heavy trains.

So who is coordinating this with the city's plans? I think that is a basic requirement.

p_xavier · #**1078** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:53 PM**

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So who is coordinating this with the city's plans? I think that is a basic requirement.

The trillium line is owned by the CP, I would like to know what kind of exclusivity contract they have with the city.

MalcolmTucker · #**1079** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 5:13 PM**

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The trillium line is owned by the CP, I would like to know what kind of exclusivity contract they have with the city.

I believe it is a temporal separation specified in the FRA waiver like San Diego and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail.

p_xavier · #**1080** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 7:40 PM**

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I believe it is a temporal separation specified in the FRA waiver like San Diego and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail.

I meant more of OC Transpo's exclusivity to use the corridor, even during the day.