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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 8:11 PM
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For those interested in the new Calgary event center:
http://https://globalnews.ca/news/6259404/calgary-flames-stampede-arena-deal/

So this will be two new arenas built in the time we are still using McMahon for football. I hope a new stadium (or MAJOR renovation of McMahon) is next.
In Winnipeg it took about a little over 8 years to open the MTS Centre and then Investors Group Field after that. Once the rink opens, the time for having the conversation about the stadium will begin. By that point McMahon will be over 60 years old...
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 8:36 PM
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Shannon Park site in Halifax rejected as potential home for CFL team but report says an alternative site with better existing transport connections still possible:

https://www.tsn.ca/proposed-site-for...ible-1.1409270
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 8:54 PM
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Shannon Park site in Halifax rejected as potential home for CFL team but report says an alternative site with better existing transport connections still possible:

https://www.tsn.ca/proposed-site-for...ible-1.1409270
What a clickbait headline. "Rejecting" a site and the existence of a municipal staff report recommending against it are two different things.

I tend to agree Shannon Park isn't great, although staff reports in Halifax tend to accentuate the negatives and some of the costs don't exactly make sense. For example, sure, maybe it would be good to have 3 additional ferries and a new terminal to handle extra traffic on game days. But those expenses are also useful for transit services at other times, so it doesn't really make sense to consider them a pure cost of putting a stadium in Shannon Park. Shannon Park is being developed into a medium density mixed use area and will need new road infrastructure and transit either way.
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No finalized design yet, probably around June ish. Public consultation on design begins in January. Very exciting It's not the greatest deal, but holy hell, at least it's finally fucking inked. Construction to begin in 2021.


Arena deal signed between City of Calgary, Flames organization and Calgary Stampede
Dave Dormer | December 5 2019 | CTV News

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CALGARY -- The arena deal is now official.

Definitive agreements have been signed between the City of Calgary, the Calgary Flames organization and the Calgary Stampede for the construction of a new arena in Victoria Park, Coun. Jeff Davison announced on social media Thursday morning.

"Onward to the next chapter of our city's history," he wrote.

Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC) — which owns the Flames — and the City of Calgary will each pay half of the arena’s $550-million price tag, but the building and land will be owned by the city.

The Flames will cover the costs for operations, maintenance and repairs over the course of the 35 year lease. The team will not be able to leave the city for 35 years.

As part of the lease, the Flames will get a majority of the revenue from every event at the new arena. The city will then earn a ‘facility fee’ by taking two per cent of the ticket revenue from events, but that is capped at $3 million a year for the first five years.

The city will also receive $250,000 per year for the first 10 years from the naming rights to the arena.

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Full story: https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/arena-dea...pede-1.4716787


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Congrats Calgary.

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Old Posted Dec 7, 2019, 9:50 PM
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Does not look good for McMahon getting a reno anytime soon with how weak the Alberta economy is right now.
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Does not look good for McMahon getting a reno anytime soon with how weak the Alberta economy is right now.
It never looked good. Either the Flames owners pay 100% of the costs or we live with what we have.
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Visit the leaning tower of Montreal
Pat Brennan Special to the Star June 7, 2019

MONTREAL—Many people thought it looked like Big Bird, the gangly and friendly character on Sesame Street.

But the tower looming over Montreal’s 43-year-old Olympic Stadium has been projecting a different image of late.

It has graduated from a hollow concrete shell that was the butt of many jokes to a modern office building that now holds a world record. It’s the world’s tallest leaning tower.

The iconic Leaning Tower of Pisa has a 3.97-degree slant. The Montreal Tower, as it’s now called, leans out at a 45-degree angle.

The Olympic Installations Board, an agency of the Quebec Provincial Government, recently spent $200 million to turn the structure into a modern office tower. Previously the tower had no electric wiring, no elevators and no windows. The refurbished product looked and operated so well that it enticed Desjardins Group to lease 80 per cent of the tower and move 1,000 employees out of a nearby office and into the tower.

The ground floor of the tower is home to one of Canada’s finest sports-training and recreational facilities. Elite athletes from around the world come to the Olympic Parc Sports Centre to improve their game, hone their talents, practise routines and get superbly fit.

North Korea’s synchronized-swimming teams spend a lot of time practising in Montreal.

The seven different swimming pools in the sports centre are also open to the public. The Montreal Alouettes football team has indoor practices in a large gymnasium in the sport centre.

The most challenging task facing the Montreal architecture firm Provenchen Roy was to get natural light flowing into the building. It had solid walls of precast concrete panels and much of that had to be replaced.

Provenchen Roy turned to the Toronto glass firm Flynn to build and install a glass curtain wall covering 60 per cent of the tower’s east side, west side and south side. The original concrete façade had a distinctive curve to it and the new bronze-tinted curtain wall wasn’t going to match the curve, so new concrete panels with less of a curve replaced the old concrete panels nearest the curtain wall.

A glass-enclosed funicular rides up the sloped north side of the tower to an observatory up on the 55th floor that offers an 80-kilometre view of Montreal and the St. Lawrence River Valley. The observatory has diagrams that explain why the tower doesn’t topple over. The observatory and upper floors weigh 8,000 tons, but the wide base of the tower weighs 145,000 tons and is anchored 10 metres into the ground.

The observatory also displays the history of the Olympic Games and the history of Montreal’s Olympic Stadium. It shows Bruce Jenner winning a gold medal in the decathlon. It explains that the Montreal Expos were the best team in major league baseball in August 1994 and were apparently World Series bound, until the players union went out on strike and the season ended early.

However, there is no depiction of the Guns ’N Roses riot in August 1992 that spilled out of the stadium and into the streets of East Montreal with overturned cars, fires, shop break-ins and damaged public spaces.

There’s a huge underground parking lot adjacent to the tower. Olympic Stadium still has most of its 60,000 seats and Cedric Essiminy, marketing director for the Olympic Park, said the seats have to go. They’re 43 years old.

Essiminy said there were many different proposals over the years on what to do with the tower, including hotels, restaurants, even a homeless shelter.

There’s still 20 per cent of the tower space available and other companies are looking at it as their new home.

There are two separate subway stations at Olympic Park and one of them is adjacent to the Sun Life Esplanade at the far end of the stadium from the tower. The esplanade hosts First Fridays on the first Friday of each month from June to October, where 50 food trucks arrive and attract 15,000 street food enthusiasts. There are plenty of bands and other entertainment at First Fridays.

The velodrome was also built close to the tower for the 1976 Olympics to host bicycle races and judo. Since then, it has been converted to a biodome that visitors can wander through that depicts four different ecosystems found in North America.

The city of Montreal had proposed a huge renovation of the biodome to start this year, but construction is on hold and the venue closed because Montreal is afflicted with a severe shortage of qualified labourers.
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It never looked good. Either the Flames owners pay 100% of the costs or we live with what we have.
That's a shame. I know it's been said before but that stadium needs a big reno or they get a new stadium. Too bad they didn't choose to go with that original proposal of the area and stadium combined.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 2:23 PM
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I can't really see Calgary not getting either new or substantially renovated stadium... it's just that the ball won't really get rolling until the new arena opens for business as Calgary clearly has its hands full with that project. I could see a rough timeline of planning starting in earnest in a few years, negotiations in 5 or 6 years, construction starting in about 7 or 8 years, and opening about a decade away.
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With the changes coming to the stadium management at McMahon, I could see some 'innovation' in how the concourses are managed and how they are shaped, trying to find relatively cheap quick wins. Think level the ground a bit and blow out the walls. Can't justify building new concessions: have the ability to move 20 food trucks in. That sort of thing.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 4:56 PM
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^ There is certainly room for improvement without going big.

I know that for the last 15 years of CanadInns' stadium's lifespan they still spent money on improvements like new seating, new scoreboard, improved lighting, club seats, improved washrooms, etc. It certainly cost a few bucks but small potatoes relative to the cost of a new stadium... it let them squeeze out a few more years while responding to what fans wanted. It was the same situation at old Mosaic.
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Like the ever evolving story of the proposed Halifax stadium, has the Calgary stadium/fieldhouse concept been totally taken off the table? The recognized need from the city for a fieldhouse is still there (with a proposed cost of 250 mil), I know CalgaryNext is supposedly toast but the possibility of a stadium/fieldhouse combo is still there (however remote)
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Like the ever evolving story of the proposed Halifax stadium, has the Calgary stadium/fieldhouse concept been totally taken off the table? The recognized need from the city for a fieldhouse is still there (with a proposed cost of 250 mil), I know CalgaryNext is supposedly toast but the possibility of a stadium/fieldhouse combo is still there (however remote)
The fieldhouse right now, which isn't funded, but is on a list, and currently in detailed design, will have up to ~10,000 seats. To get to an acceptable number for the CFL, costs go up by a lot.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 10:25 PM
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The fieldhouse right now, which isn't funded, but is on a list, and currently in detailed design, will have up to ~10,000 seats. To get to an acceptable number for the CFL, costs go up by a lot.
Just to get an idea, the Stamps are hovering around 27k for the past five years.
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I definitely get the sense that Calgary's decision to drop out of the running to host the Winter Olympics was the nail in the coffin for any meaningful renovations to McMahon. Had they decided to stay in the race and won, the city would have put plenty into making it a respectable stadium. I don't see there being the desire to do that now that it's "just for the CFL team".
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 10:51 PM
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I don't see there being the desire to do that now that it's "just for the CFL team".
And that's the part that gets me, it shouldn't be seen as being just for 10 games of the CFL season.

I posted a similar ill worded poll at the Halifax Stadium thread. It skews the poll by posting the questions as being for or against either a "CFL" or "football" stadium.

The word has not been successfully transmitted about the other stakeholders, like minor rugby, football and soccer, concert and trade show events.

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That's a shame. I know it's been said before but that stadium needs a big reno or they get a new stadium. Too bad they didn't choose to go with that original proposal of the area and stadium combined.
I totally agree! Other than the location, CalgaryNEXT was a great idea.
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