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OhioGuy · #**34661** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 2:44 PM**

The new East Lakeview Mariano's at 3030 N Broadway officially opened today. While I'm sure the inside is perfectly acceptable, I'm anxious to see the building from the street. I'll be in Chicago exactly one month from today so I look forward to seeing it in person. From the few construction photos I've seen, I'm not expecting to be overly impressed... but maybe in the end it's not too horrible?

Via Chicago · #**34662** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 3:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by OhioGuy

The new East Lakeview Mariano's at 3030 N Broadway officially opened today. While I'm sure the inside is perfectly acceptable, I'm anxious to see the building from the street. I'll be in Chicago exactly one month from today so I look forward to seeing it in person. From the few construction photos I've seen, I'm not expecting to be overly impressed... but maybe in the end it's not too horrible?

i wouldnt waste your limited time in chicago gazing at a crapbox of a grocery store. i can assure you its garbage.

OhioGuy · #**34663** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 3:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago

i wouldnt waste your limited time in chicago gazing at a crapbox of a grocery store. i can assure you its garbage.

I'll be in Lakeview anyway, so it's not out of my way to walk by and gauge how bad the building is along Broadway.

marothisu · #**34664** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 3:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by OhioGuy

I'll be in Lakeview anyway, so it's not out of my way to walk by and gauge how bad the building is along Broadway.

Not sure I understand why you would want to check this out? It's literally an afterthought project other than it brings back a grocery store into the area. There's much better things in town to check out that are new.

Randomguy34 · #**34665** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 4:46 PM**

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Nifty project for sure. What's its story? Is it going forward as of right?

The Chi Arch Blog post about 863 N. Orleans said that they were seeking a zoning change from C1-2 to C1-5. However, they will have to seek a DX-3 zoning instead because of the recent downtown zoning ordinance.

ardecila · #**34666** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34

The Chi Arch Blog post about 863 N. Orleans said that they were seeking a zoning change from C1-2 to C1-5. However, they will have to seek a DX-3 zoning instead because of the recent downtown zoning ordinance.

Hmm, interesting.

So now everybody seeking a zoning change, even in the downtown expansion areas, has to apply for downtown zoning and pay into the Neighborhood Opportunity Fund.

OhioGuy · #**34667** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by marothisu

Not sure I understand why you would want to check this out? It's literally an afterthought project other than it brings back a grocery store into the area. There's much better things in town to check out that are new.

Because walking by when I'm already in the neighborhood is going to require hours of my time? I walked by that vacant lot many many times when I lived in East Lakeview. The point is to simply see how it works (or likely doesn't work) in the context of its setting. Since I'll already be in the neighborhood, I doubt the energy it takes to turn my head and observe the building for a few seconds as I pass by on Broadway is going to prevent me from checking out other developments elsewhere.

the urban politician · #**34668** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 6:02 PM**

^ Wrong. Head turning is a very tiring and time consuming activity. Keep your head facing forward to save your calories for more interesting pursuits

Randomguy34 · #**34669** Posted **Aug 30, 2016, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by ardecila

Hmm, interesting.

So now everybody seeking a zoning change, even in the downtown expansion areas, has to apply for downtown zoning and pay into the Neighborhood Opportunity Fund.

Yeah, it seems silly having to apply for downtown zoning for each individual development, rather than apply that level of zoning to the whole expanded area. I guess these areas weren't automatically upzoned because there would be a lot of push back from the NIMBYs about the plan, since they would no longer have a say in developments that have become right of way. I do not believe they have to pay into the Opportunity Fund unless they want an upzone that is greater than what was recommended.

Also, it appears they would have to apply instead for a DX-5 zoning, not a DX-3 zoning like I mentioned earlier, since Cabrini Green was recommended to have that level of zoning: http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...2016_06_01.pdf

k1052 · #**34670** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Yeah, it seems silly having to apply for downtown zoning for each individual development, rather than apply that level of zoning to the whole expanded area. I guess these areas weren't automatically upzoned because there would be a lot of push back from the NIMBYs about the plan, since they would no longer have a say in developments that have become right of way. I do not believe they have to pay into the Opportunity Fund unless they want an upzone that is greater than what was recommended.

You answered your own question. It will be impossible for NIMBYs to effectively oppose a significant number of seperate developments seeking bumps...which apparently can even be granted mid-construction. Payments into the NOF are icing on the cake for aldermen who's main base of power doesn't necessarily include all the people opposed to said developments thanks to an amazing ward map.

PKDickman · #**34671** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 2:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Yeah, it seems silly having to apply for downtown zoning for each individual development, rather than apply that level of zoning to the whole expanded area. I guess these areas weren't automatically upzoned because there would be a lot of push back from the NIMBYs about the plan, since they would no longer have a say in developments that have become right of way. I do not believe they have to pay into the Opportunity Fund unless they want an upzone that is greater than what was recommended.

Also, it appears they would have to apply instead for a DX-5 zoning, not a DX-3 zoning like I mentioned earlier, since Cabrini Green was recommended to have that level of zoning: http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...2016_06_01.pdf

I'm not sure why they didn't globally change everything to a D zone with matching bulk and density of the underlying zoning. They limited the new downtown to areas with a -3 or above which would have translated directly and allowed the new buy-a-bonus system in the entire area.

My reading of the ordinance shows a different path.

An as of right project would continue being a B-C-M without any change and have no access to the new bonus.

Any project that applies for a zoning change has the application automatically changed to a D and has access to the bonus that applies to the new bulk and density .
But the act of applying for the change triggers the ARO requirement and you can't get at the bonus until you apply for the change.

KWILLSKYLINE · #**34672** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 5:16 PM**

A friend told me they moved the Jordan statue back to it's original place inside the new United Center atrium. Any word when the atrium and stores will be open to the public? Also any updates on construction of the new Hawks practice facility?

ChickeNES · #**34673** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 6:36 PM**

Planning Commission legal notice is up. The Nobu Hotel rezoning (from 7 to 11 floors), this thing: http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/7/6/1...-condo-project , a 4-story retail + office replacement for 46 E Oak, and the godawful renovation of Graeme Stewart School are on the agenda.

go go white sox · #**34674** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 7:09 PM**

I just wanted to share this video i came across. I have never attended any these public meetings, and honestly thought when others described how delusional those NIMBYs acted, they were exaggerated, but after seeing this wow lmao.

https://youtu.be/8MmUQ5A9X1M

brandon03 · #**34675** Posted **Aug 31, 2016, 10:55 PM**

One story building, near Morgan CTA stop in a quickly densifying neighborhood, coming down to make way for....

...another one story building?!

SolarWind · #**34676** Posted **Sep 1, 2016, 2:08 AM**

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emathias · #**34679** Posted **Sep 1, 2016, 1:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by go go white sox

I just wanted to share this video i came across. I have never attended any these public meetings, and honestly thought when others described how delusional those NIMBYs acted, they were exaggerated, but after seeing this wow lmao.

https://youtu.be/8MmUQ5A9X1M

And that's not even a particularly bad example.

Mr Downtown · #**34680** Posted **Sep 1, 2016, 2:59 PM**

Yeah, I'm puzzled by what you find delusional. The only person we hear asking a question simply expresses concern about the parking garage curb cut being directly opposite the busy entrance to Trader Joe's. When the reporter asks some other folks leaving the meeting what they thought of the project, they just say "well, I hope it's not more development than the infrastructure can handle." They didn't raise their hands to say that.

Now delusional was what I heard at last week's meeting about the apocalyptic horrors that will result from painting a bike-street "sharrow" on Ninth St. in Dearborn Park.