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Yes but why are you stopping at Toronto? Toronto's not really an eastern city either. You should be going to St. John's. Moreover, how is Winnipeg not a western city? That's like saying that despite all of our population in Canada being concentrated in the south, we're all living in the north. Sure, if you're starting at the equator.
In terms of longitude, Canada goes from 52.4 degrees west to 141.1 west (Yukon). The midpoint is 96.8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ints_of_Canada

Winnipeg is at 97.1, so just slightly west of the middle.

Of course when people say that Winnipeg is a Western Canadian city it's not because they did this sort of math. They mean that it's part of Western Canada, which is defined by geography, society, and history. It's in the newest part of Canada that only opened up for large-scale settlement with the introduction of the railways.
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Of course when people say that Winnipeg is a Western Canadian city it's not because they did this sort of math. They mean that it's part of Western Canada, which is defined by geography, society, and history. It's in the newest part of Canada that only opened up for large-scale settlement with the introduction of the railways.

That, and it's also just very much part of the western population "blob":


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Torontonians seem convinced that Halifax is a lot further north but it's not.
I'll add onto this; a lot of Canadians, incuding Haligonians, believe St. John's is a lot further north. Stupid map projections (I assume this has been discussed in great detail earlier in the thread)
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2018, 7:18 PM
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I'll add onto this; a lot of Canadians, incuding Haligonians, believe St. John's is a lot further north. Stupid map projections (I assume this has been discussed in great detail earlier in the thread)
Somewhat true although from a regional perspective, St. John's is about as far north as Bathurst NB, which is almost as northern as it gets in the Maritimes. It is true that many maps distort Newfoundland so that it looks like St. John's is even farther north.

Halifax is about 100 km farther north than Toronto (a bit north of Barrie ON). St. John's is a little more than 300 km north of Halifax.

Some Torontonians think of Barrie as being northern, which I'm sure Northern Ontarians think is a bit silly.
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Many Americans think Vancouver is far warmer and drier than Seattle because of all the hype over Vancouver 's moderate climate and strong tourist draw.
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Some Torontonians think of Barrie as being northern, which I'm sure Northern Ontarians think is a bit silly.
Same phenomenon here: the point where "the north" begins north of Montreal is south of Quebec City.

It makes sense if you consider the not-perfectly-east-west River valley to be all the same biome - which is pretty much is - and that northernness comes from moving away from it into the Laurentian Hills.

Given that the River extends into Ontario following the same kind of SW-NE angle, same phenomenon continues to apply: just as points south of Quebec City have a latitude that is northern wilderness from a Montreal point of view, points south of Montreal have a latitude that is northern wilderness from a Toronto point of view.
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Somewhat true although from a regional perspective, St. John's is about as far north as Bathurst NB, which is almost as northern as it gets in the Maritimes. It is true that many maps distort Newfoundland so that it looks like St. John's is even farther north.

Halifax is about 100 km farther north than Toronto (a bit north of Barrie ON). St. John's is a little more than 300 km north of Halifax.

Some Torontonians think of Barrie as being northern, which I'm sure Northern Ontarians think is a bit silly.
Torontonians think of Barrie as being north, which it is in relation to them. They would consider it Northern Ontario only in jest, however. (I say it starts at St Clair!).
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That, and it's also just very much part of the western population "blob":


One thing about this type of population distribution map is that it visually underrepresents certain areas, especially BC. By showing large areas of more sparse population density the map doesn't read well, so BC doesn't really appear to be the third most populous province, creating a geographic misconception.
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One thing about this type of population distribution map is that it visually underrepresents certain areas, especially BC. By showing large areas of more sparse population density the map doesn't read well, so BC doesn't really appear to be the third most populous province, creating a geographic misconception.
It's really low resolution but also a bit odd.

If Nova Scotia were averaged out, the whole province would be orange (17 people per square km). Actually even half of its counties have population densities over 10 per square km, and they make up about half of the total land area. Yarmouth County looks uninhabited on the map or maybe has a thin line of yellow but the average for the whole county is 11.5 per square km.

Also all of Halifax County is 73 per square km in 2016, so it's hard to see how a sub-part of it would have been 10-64 in 2006. Cape Breton County is 40 per square km.

It seems like their algorithm for generating this map has "lost" a bunch of people. Not merely averaged out settlements over a large area but created a representation that doesn't account for the people that live in some areas. Meanwhile some of the city blobs include a lot of rural land.

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One thing about this type of population distribution map is that it visually underrepresents certain areas, especially BC. By showing large areas of more sparse population density the map doesn't read well, so BC doesn't really appear to be the third most populous province, creating a geographic misconception.
You could just as easily say that by calling B.C the third most populous province, one could create the "geographic misconception" that B.C. has a lot more surface area with significant population density than does, say, Saskatchewan.
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You could just as easily say that by calling B.C the third most populous province, one could create the "geographic misconception" that B.C. has a lot more surface area with significant population density than does, say, Saskatchewan.
As long as the province has a single dot that maps onto ">= 265" then the population is unclear. A better legend would have a real maximum.

Aside from the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island, BC is remarkably sparse. Drive 20 minutes north of Vancouver along the Sea-to-Sky Highway and you're in an area that's about as developed as Whitehorse. And if anything goes wrong on that highway you need to wait it out or drive around a 4-5 hour detour.

Southern BC also has wild apex predators like wolves, cougars, and grizzly bears that were wiped out long ago in the more heavily settled parts of the eastern half of the country.
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In terms of longitude, Canada goes from 52.4 degrees west to 141.1 west (Yukon). The midpoint is 96.8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ints_of_Canada

Winnipeg is at 97.1, so just slightly west of the middle.

Of course when people say that Winnipeg is a Western Canadian city it's not because they did this sort of math. They mean that it's part of Western Canada, which is defined by geography, society, and history. It's in the newest part of Canada that only opened up for large-scale settlement with the introduction of the railways.
Exactly. The fact that people aren't using the terms "eastern" and "western" in a geometrical sense that ignores social, cultural and historical reality doesn't mean that they are living under a misconception. Would any sensible person claim that, before Newfoundland joined confederation, Winnipeg was an eastern city, but because that event occurred it is now a western city (due to the resulting shift in the imaginary "midpoint" of Canada)?
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You could just as easily say that by calling B.C the third most populous province, one could create the "geographic misconception" that B.C. has a lot more surface area with significant population density than does, say, Saskatchewan.
No, identifying an actual population is not creating a misconception. The map just visually overrepresents sparse agricultural rural populations. BC has about 3/4 million people outside the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island.

There are even more geographic misconceptions created by the map that are less obvious. Look at New Brunswick, then look at Vancouver Island, they both actually have about the same populations, but Van Isle looks virtually uninhabited.
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^ Most of us here are well aware of Delaware. But, it's also easier to keep track of just 10 provinces and 3 territories than 50 states, and a few Puerto Ricos.
Delaware? You mean that little town southwest of London?
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Fun fact, the term 'humidex' is a Canadian term rarely, if ever, used anywhere else in the world. I imagine it was first coined by people in eastern half of Canada to help gratify themselves on how 'hot' their less-than 40 degree temperatures can 'feel'
Well, a fifth of the world's population (China) uses humidex readings in every weather app or weather report. I imagine countries like Japan do to. The humidity here in the summer makes a HUGE difference on how it feels outside.
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It's funny you mention Delaware because I had a co-worker mention to me yesterday he was going to a music festival in Delaware in June and he said I was one of the only people that didn't ask him who what or where Delaware was.
Your friend obviously went to Firefly. It is forcing young people to figure out where Delaware is. Of course, they come here and use GPS, so they don't know where it is anyway. They never realize if they drove through Pennsylvania or Maryland, or Indiana or Tennessee instead.

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Delaware's Dover AFB is where all the US military killed overseas are brought to be processed and escorted home.

If you ever get an opportunity watch this movie.

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I actually never heard of the movie. I'll have to check it out. But yes, most/all casualties of our wars are flown into Dover AFB. President Bush, President Obama, and President Trump have all been here to welcome the fallen soldiers home. Dover AFB was the site of controversy when hiding the unloading of bodies became an issue about 9-10 years ago.

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Well, a fifth of the world's population (China) uses humidex readings in every weather app or weather report. I imagine countries like Japan do to. The humidity here in the summer makes a HUGE difference on how it feels outside.
As per usual SaskScraper is oblivious. The US uses it also but the term they use "heat index".
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As per usual SaskScraper is oblivious. The US uses it also but the term they use "heat index".
Or, just a troll
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One thing about this type of population distribution map is that it visually underrepresents certain areas, especially BC. By showing large areas of more sparse population density the map doesn't read well, so BC doesn't really appear to be the third most populous province, creating a geographic misconception.
It also elides that the 300,000 people living in the most central part of Halifax (i.e., the pre-amalgamation city) live in an area where the population density is well over 1,000 per sq. km, and should therefore be the dark purple.

For that matter, probably central parts of other Maritime cities, and certainly St. John's, should also be represented that way.
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As per usual SaskScraper is oblivious. The US uses it also but the term they use "heat index".
I was under the impression that "humidex" is a Canadian invention. Americans do use "heat index", but I believe it is calculated differently and the two readings therefore are not entirely comparable.
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