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Old Posted Jan 6, 2011, 1:12 AM
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Interesting. Looks to be a steel structure, not a concrete one. Rare for residential towers, but not unheard of. The Ritz Carlton hotel/condo tower in LA was built with steel.
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Perhaps the developers are thinking it could be converted to commercial usage sometime in the future.
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Steel wasn't rare for residential up until the last 20 years or so. Steel was fairly common in the 50's and 60's.

The ceiling heights won't be anywhere near tall enough to be converted to office. Not to mention the super thin, elongate floor plate and huge amount of interior walls that would need to be demolished to open up the space. This building will likely never be used for anything other than dormitory or hotel or maybe residential.
     
     
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^ Thanks for the pics - moving pretty quickly now and nice to see some steel construction downtown!
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Interesting. Looks to be a steel structure, not a concrete one. Rare for residential towers, but not unheard of. The Ritz Carlton hotel/condo tower in LA was built with steel.


The lower half-or-third of this tower (can't remember the exact vertical programming mix) is actually not residential - it's class rooms, lecture halls, office space, including I think the admin for at least one of Roosevelt's schools, all types of common student space, etc, so given those needs, not surprising to see steel, at least on the lower levels...
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^ But it's pretty rare to see concrete construction on top of a steel base. I'd wager that it's steel all the way up.
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Not since 300N Lasalle have I seen so much steel going up in Chicago. Nice looking building.
     
     
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I would kill to go to this school, those kids are going to have some amazing views of the city.
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^ I'd wager that it's steel all the way up.
Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but it would be nice to know and good for our economy if the steel being used is made in the USA, not China.
     
     
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I doubt that steel is fabricated in China. The shipping costs for such materials would be prohibitive. Most building and infrastructure steel is still made in the United States.
     
     
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I doubt that steel is fabricated in China. The shipping costs for such materials would be prohibitive. Most building and infrastructure steel is still made in the United States.
Bingo. In fact, I'd bet it was made just across the border in Indiana.

Down here in New Orleans, steel has to be trucked in from faraway mills, so it's pretty costly. You really notice this when you look at overpasses, and all the beams holding up the roadway deck are made of concrete instead of steel. If you do see steel used here, it comes in very short segments. This reduces the cost of transportation (and the overall weight placed on the supports). Hopefully we'll start to see more steel construction here now that Nucor is building a massive plant just up the river, which should lower costs.
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I doubt that steel is fabricated in China. The shipping costs for such materials would be prohibitive. Most building and infrastructure steel is still made in the United States.
Perhaps I'm mistaken and wish to be, but it's my understanding that most of the major permanent steel components for the new Bay Bridge eastern span in California are made in Shanghai. That because of mill capacity and hidden subsidies, the Chinese companies were able to provide bids for such large parts with much less lead time and cost, unmatched by USA bidders. I was disappointed to learn of this being that the Bay Bridge east span is so large and high profile capital project.

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Bingo. In fact, I'd bet it was made just across the border in Indiana... You really notice this when you look at overpasses, and all the beams holding up the roadway deck are made of concrete instead of steel. If you do see steel used here, it comes in very short segments. This reduces the cost of transportation (and the overall weight placed on the supports).
That does make good sense. Plus the steel segments used on bridges that span sea bound shipping lanes tend to be much larger in scale than the typical girder and beam used on many skyscrapers and interstate overpasses.

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Perhaps I'm mistaken and wish to be, but it's my understanding that most of the major permanent steel components for the new Bay Bridge eastern span in California are made in Shanghai. That because of mill capacity and hidden subsidies, the Chinese companies were able to provide bids for such large parts with much less lead time and cost, unmatched by USA bidders. I was disappointed to learn of this being that the Bay Bridge east span is so large and high profile capital project.
I can only offer anecdotal evidence to this, but the likelihood that the steel is from China is higher than most think

My dad worked for steel companies for 30 yrs, all of which now are non-existant. (I even put a few summers in at the Calumet Steel mill).

As these mills shut down, the common theme was always that business was being lost to China. Granted, the steel product of these mills was different (think leaf springs for cars, rather than support beams for buildings). But I imagine the weight, not the product type is why most imagine the cost to ship would be prohibitive.
     
     
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Perhaps I'm mistaken and wish to be, but it's my understanding that most of the major permanent steel components for the new Bay Bridge eastern span in California are made in Shanghai. That because of mill capacity and hidden subsidies, the Chinese companies were able to provide bids for such large parts with much less lead time and cost, unmatched by USA bidders. I was disappointed to learn of this being that the Bay Bridge east span is so large and high profile capital project.]
The massive box girders that make up the eastern span of the Bay Bridge involve a special type of fabrication, since the segments are so gigantic. The cost of setting up a production line from scratch to produce these components would be incredible. But since China's already building tons of massive bridges, they can just tweak an existing production line, which greatly reduces the fixed costs versus an American company building one from scratch. These cost savings are enough that they more than offset the costs of transporting the pieces across the Pacific.

The pieces can also be directly transported from China to the Bay by water, which greatly simplifies the transport (imagine if you had to truck the segments overland!)
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The pieces can also be directly transported from China to the Bay by water, which greatly simplifies the transport (imagine if you had to truck the segments overland!)[/QUOTE]

Thats why most of the US steel plants were located by rivers or large waterways. They still make some of the largest aluminum sheets available next to a small river that runs down the center of the country. They were used to build many large military aircraft and even the A380(although the European Union has built their own plant now).

Shipping jobs to China is not a good thing to do. It is also not very GREEN as they don't have as good polution controls on their plants.
     
     
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I didnt realize there were so many vacant lots sitting around in that area.
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That's the last real pocket of surface lots in or around the Loop. They're tricky to develop because businesses don't want to be up against the L tracks and neither do residents.
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