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There already is a Scarborough FC in the CSL.
True, but given the quality of the CSL it would be nice to have them play in an actually sanctioned league.
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Yeah, CPL (top flight) and its Academy system (Level 2) will finally address some massive gaps in our dysfunctional soccer pyramid:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadi...amid_breakdown

The CSL lost its official status due to internal corruption, so not only the top flight but the 2nd stage of the pyramid are in hiatus. MLS/USL are somewhat addressing this gap for now, but they don't have the mandate to hire mostly Canadian players that CPL and its Academy system will now require.
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Spain has a similar population to Canada with a similar mix of large and small cities yet it has a very successful domestic league, arguably the richest and most entertaining one in the world. This league could evolve in many different ways, uniquely adapted to Canada's needs, give it a chance indeed.

The main purpose of this league in the short to medium term is to develop local talent, while building the requisite national professional soccer infrastructure and culture. Kids will finally be able to take soccer seriously as a career path within this country. One of the main problems our national team has experienced is that we produce talented players, they go overseas at a young age for pro soccer opportunities, then get dual citizenship and we lose them forever to foreign soccer programs as their domestic.

I for one look forward to watching and supporting some of the new small market teams that pop up and tickle my fancy while simultaneously watching my local MLS team for a slightly different experience.
I wish the CPL the best but I highly doubt kids will look at the league as a potential career path. If they want to become professionals they will look at the 3 MLS teams and their academies or Europe.

The academies of the 3 respective MLS teams (TOR, VAN, MTL) are doing a good job of developing players and we will see the fruits of that effort in a few years at the national team level.

What makes Montreal Impact teenager Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla so special

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Emerging on the national stage in 2014 at the tender age of 15, when he was voted U-17 Canadian Player of the Year, by 2015 Tabla had already linked with big English clubs. ESPN FC reported last year that Tabla was being followed by Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea, among others.

Born on March 31, 1999, in Abidjan, Ivory Coast, Tabla arrived in Quebec as an eight-year-old. Before immigrating, he played in the streets of Abidjan. Of course, every kid there pretended to be one of the national team stars, members of a golden generation led by Didier Drogba.

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Given the bright start to his MLS career, Tabla has a possible dilemma ahead of him on the international stage. If he receives interest from both Canada and Ivory Coast at the senior level, which country will he choose? He's shined on the youth stage for Canada but has the history and emotional ties to Ivory Coast, too, to say nothing of the cost-benefit analysis of which country could offer him the most opportunities and best chance at success on the world stage.

New Canadian national team head coach Octavio Zambrano is well aware of Tabla's situation, and wants to convince him as soon as possible to play for Canada.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/...ean-yves-tabla

Do you think a player of Tabla's talent would have preferred the CPL over offers in Europe? The only reason why there is a chance he might play for Canada (and not the Ivory Coast) is the Impact's academy and the ever growing lure of the MLS.
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Old Posted May 8, 2017, 6:14 AM
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With all due respect Nicko, the dozen or so Academies created by a CPL will produce and train even more homegrowns who may not have had a chance under the MLS setup, and they will get more playing time in CPL, allowing them to develop into better players. There is a reason that the MLS Academies in Canada have a relationship with other Academies from lower divisions, that's where guys like Cyle Larin (Canada's best young prospect) got their start!

Once the CPL develops in quality, more and more of them will stay local before going off to Europe or wherever to further their careers, but at least they'll remain Canadian nationals because they'll know that Canada is taking their program seriously and there will be other quality players with which they can team up with, every training camp, to qualify for the World Cup.

Playing in the World Cup and a national team that regularly makes it that far is the ultimate goal for all career soccer players, make no mistake about it. The World Cup is the ultimate headhunting camp for promising squad players at the local team level.
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With all due respect Nicko, the dozen or so Academies created by a CPL will produce and train even more homegrowns who may not have had a chance under the MLS setup, and they will get more playing time in CPL, allowing them to develop into better players. There is a reason that the MLS Academies in Canada have a relationship with other Academies from lower divisions, that's where guys like Cyle Larin (Canada's best young prospect) got their start!

Once the CPL develops in quality, more and more of them will stay local before going off to Europe or wherever to further their careers, but at least they'll remain Canadian nationals because they'll know that Canada is taking their program seriously and there will be other quality players with which they can team up which every training camp to qualify for the World Cup.

Playing in the World Cup and a national team that regularly makes it that far is the ultimate goal for all career soccer players, make no mistake about it. The World Cup is the ultimate headhunting camp for promising squad players at the local team level.
What you said has no chance of happening simply because the 3 MLS academies will suck in all the talented Canadian prospects and those who end playing in CPL will not be good enough for the national team.

If you are a talented 15 years old player, would you choose an MLS academy or a CPL one. 1 league has 10x more potential than the other simply because it is based in a country 10x bigger.
It's like asking someone whether his dream is to play in the NFL or CFL. It's a no brainer.
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What you said has no chance of happening simply because the 3 MLS academies will suck in all the talented Canadian prospects and those who end playing in CPL will not be good enough for the national team.

If you are a talented 15 years old player, would you choose an MLS academy or a CPL one. 1 league has 10x more potential than the other simply because it is based in a country 10x bigger.
It's like asking someone whether his dream is to play in the NFL or CFL. It's a no brainer.
MLS may be attractive as a final destination, but the scouting has to happen at the micro level, more Academies means more training camps to recruit from. Also, some players develop later in their career, and they need professional playing time to develop. Anyway, the MLS Academies will only take on a small number of young prospects every year (there's also the known corruption element with scouts demanding kids sign contracts through them first), others who can develop into just as good if not better players need an outlet to practice and grow (TFC's Academy as an example, no longer develops under 11 players, they recruit those from existing academies of other teams). CPL and its academies provide that opportunity.

Cyle Larin was never discovered or given a chance at an MLS Academy, he played for Sigma FC, got training stints with European clubs, then played in college in the US. It was only then that he was noticed by MLS and drafted. If we had a solid top flight and Academy network he would have had professional experience at a younger age. Regardless, we are lucky he is so talented and has finally gotten a chance as a pro, and is now getting followed by teams such as Arsenal.
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KITCHENER — The ball is rolling to bring professional soccer to Waterloo Region.

Local soccer agent, promoter and K-W United FC president Barry MacLean is spearheading a bid for a franchise in the newly minted Canadian Premier League.

Talks have been ongoing for the past year and a half but are gaining steam after the fledgling league was unanimously endorsed by Canada Soccer this past weekend.

"I think that there is a real chance it will happen," said MacLean. "We have a goal to try to be ready for the launch. We want to be a part of it from the beginning."

The CPL has already received interest from 10 markets across Canada. Two teams — in Hamilton and Winnipeg — were granted full memberships as professional clubs within Soccer Canada at an organizational gathering Saturday in Whistler, B.C.

Both those clubs are owned by the same parties that run the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Winnipeg Blue Bombers and would play their home games at their respective Canadian Football League stadiums.

Other markets are lining up to be a part of what would be the highest domestic professional soccer circuit in the country.

"It has really been heartening and fascinating," said Paul Beirne, the league's project manager and first official employee.

"Sometimes it's the supporters making enough noise to help us attract the attention of a potential investor. Sometimes it's an investor that really believes in the purpose and the movement we're creating for Canadian soccer."

The CPL will be evaluating franchise candidates over the next few months and considers Waterloo Region a nice fit.

"The key ingredient is an active and engaged community and I think K-W represents everything that we're looking for in a strong and vibrant CPL club," said Beirne, who has worked for Major League Soccer's Toronto FC and Brighton and Hove Albion of the English Premier League.

Beirne sees CPL teams coast to coast and, eventually, in different divisions. He sees import rules to help foster local talent and Canadian players honing their skills on home soil instead of being forced to go overseas.

First, the league has to get off the ground.

"We haven't made any commitments one way or another," he said. "But 2018 is definitely feasible. We're running as fast as we can to confirm that.

"We're trying to be meticulous and methodical so we don't make any rookie mistakes as we launch this thing. Our first three or four years are going to be critical in our long term success so we're making sure we do it right."

MacLean has "serious investment" lined up, but admitted that additional financial backing would be needed to bring a team to the area.

There are other obstacles as well.

"The CPL is going to need to have some concrete affirmation that the community wants to rally around it and that there will be some sort of stadium development moving forward," said MacLean, noting that the team would need about 5,000 fans per game to survive.

"We've had some discussions on stadium plans, but they are kind of rudimentary. We need to have all the different user groups going in the same direction. That won't be easy, but for something like this it will change the landscape of soccer in the community."

Beirne was in on the ground floor with Toronto FC and says the vibe surrounding the CPL is similar.

"That's where I'm getting my energy and enthusiasm from," he said. "It's clear to me that there is a pent-up demand and desire (for high level soccer).

"The fans in K-W are going to enjoy hating the fans in Hamilton because that's part of football. However, there is also this overarching sense of purpose that we're creating a movement about the Canadian game."
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Interesting. So it sounds like some of the teams will have their own soccer-specific stadiums right off the bat, while others will be using CFL stadiums temporarily until they get their SSS built. It's sounding more like the MLS growth strategy every minute.
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I'm willing to bet some teams will be permanently in CFL stadiums. Cities like Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Ottawa. Will all make use of existing stadiums over building something new, even long term....
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In K-W's case there is no stadium and no plans for one, afaik.
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I'm willing to bet some teams will be permanently in CFL stadiums. Cities like Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Ottawa. Will all make use of existing stadiums over building something new, even long term....
Highly doubtful they'll stay in CFL stadiums permanently, the MLS/NASL experience is that crowds eventually drop and people tune out if they're in large near-empty stadiums with football lines all over the field. A 5,000-seat soccer stadium won't cost much (simply adding seats to an existing field at a school for example). The article also alludes to them looking to build a soccer-specific venue as well. Once the top teams get proper soccer stadiums then there'll be enormous pressure to upgrade. CSA has said repeatedly that they want to do this right and make this as professional as possible.

"The CPL is going to need to have some concrete affirmation that the community wants to rally around it and that there will be some sort of stadium development moving forward," said MacLean, noting that the team would need about 5,000 fans per game to survive.
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In K-W's case there is no stadium and no plans for one, afaik.
Until this announcement we didn't know K-W was even under consideration, a lot of what's going on is happening behind the scenes. Once an official announcement about the league comes out later this year (probably this Summer) we'll have more clarily.
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Highly doubtful they'll stay in CFL stadiums permanently, the MLS/NASL experience is that crowds eventually drop and people tune out if they're in large near-empty stadiums with football lines all over the field. A 5,000-seat soccer stadium won't cost much (simply adding seats to an existing field at a school for example). The article also alludes to them looking to build a soccer-specific venue as well. Once the top teams get proper soccer stadiums then there'll be enormous pressure to upgrade. CSA has said repeatedly that they want to do this right and make this as professional as possible.

"The CPL is going to need to have some concrete affirmation that the community wants to rally around it and that there will be some sort of stadium development moving forward," said MacLean, noting that the team would need about 5,000 fans per game to survive.
I can't imagine SSS are a major priority for the league. Maybe twenty years down the road and if the league is a major success they'll try to push it but right now I just can't see it happen. Hamilton's team is a direct creation of Young's desire to fill dates at THF. Ottawa is the same. I can't imagine them changing their minds any time soon.

That said, this would be a great opportunity for a lot of universities to share their stadiums and hopefully get some upgrades. Griffiths Stadium in Saskatoon is a great example.
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CSA has said repeatedly that they want to do this right and make this as professional as possible.
If that's the case they're not going to gouge cities to build soccer specific stadiums. I don't see Winnipeg, Regina or Hamilton building stadiums again for quite a while.
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If that's the case they're not going to gouge cities to build soccer specific stadiums. I don't see Winnipeg, Regina or Hamilton building stadiums again for quite a while.
Why is adding 5,000 seats to an existing soccer field (at a school for example) considered gouging? It has already been done for $5 million, hardly big money. Even Halifax is doing it with private money, there's no reason for any level of government to cough up money to make this work. The money from concessions and parking alone will cover it in no time.
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There seems to be a huge push to get international soccer fan support from Saskatchewan in places like The States and Europe lately.

And with no other soccer teams to cheer for in the country I imagine it's because Saskatchewan fans are such enormous supporters of sports in the province and so other countries are clamouring to cater to this market.

I'm sure the game in a couple of months will be well received and maybe even get a high number of spectators..
..and then Mosaic stadium will go back to sold out crowds to football again.

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Why is adding 5,000 seats to an existing soccer field (at a school for example) considered gouging? It has already been done for $5 million, hardly big money. Even Halifax is doing it with private money, there's no reason for any level of government to cough up money to make this work. The money from concessions and parking alone will cover it in no time.
You fronting the money?

When you have a brand new CFL stadium available, no one is going to fork over millions of dollars for a bleacher stadium.
When all is said and done show me a 5000 seat stadium in Canada you can build for $5 million. Can't be done....
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I think this is great. The CPL can develop players who can then enter the MLS team academies.

What's not to like?

Of course, being SSP, this thread will soon degenerate into CMA population divided by average skyline height times median amateur baseball attendance multiplied by racial diversity plus proximity to ground floor retail near potential stadium transit corridors given the amount of transfer payments received by the various provinces that the teams are located in assuming the presumptive world classiness of the respective regional municipalities that the teams may or may not be located in given the GNP, GDP and GSP according to the 2011 census..

But I think it's a good idea!
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Although, did I forget to mention density?

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You fronting the money?

When you have a brand new CFL stadium available, no one is going to fork over millions of dollars for a bleacher stadium.
When all is said and done show me a 5000 seat stadium in Canada you can build for $5 million. Can't be done....
Ontario Soccer Center had a small 2,000 seat soccer field (the kind you find at most colleges/universities), until TFC ponied up $5 mil to convert it into a 5,000 seat stadium. It is now the official playing ground for TFC's professional division 2 team.
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