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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 5:06 PM
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I count 31 floors now, a slight reduction... should be about 100 metres tall.

Have to laugh at all those young college kids who can afford to drop 500 grand on a pad while they attend school.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
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Indeed. A few of those people are actually forumers on this site.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 7:04 PM
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This is 203 College, which was at the OMB last I heard... is this what has come out of it?

The original proposal was 33 storeys, 115 metres. http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=108366
No. The revised 29 storeys, 100 metres was appealed to the OMB.
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I agree it is inappropriate for this site. There are bay and gables literally next door (probably won't be there for long )
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I agree it is inappropriate for this site. There are bay and gables literally next door (probably won't be there for long )
But that wouldn't be a precedent, right ?
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 8:10 PM
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The precedent will be set by the OMB decision. If a tall tower is allowed, a flood of other similarly sized proposals will probably hit the area...
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 9:25 PM
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But that wouldn't be a precedent, right ?

This big, fat, ugly box is a fine example of the many problems with planning in the city. It is one that should be thrown out immediately instead of gumming up city planning and now the OMB. The applicant here didn't try anything to reduce the impact on its surroundings. It's extremely tall with a high lot coverage and not one stepback.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 10:12 PM
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The precedent will be set by the OMB decision. If a tall tower is allowed, a flood of other similarly sized proposals will probably hit the area...
That's really fucked up, koops. The OMB isn't there to plan our cities.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 10:26 PM
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Theory Toronto. I assume it gets it's name from it's proximity to U of T. Personally I feel this thing is way to big and bulky for this location. It's not as though it's in an area that will evolve into a high-rise node so this one tower will stick out like a sore thumb.

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Sticking out it a good thing... It makes a nice mixed density neighbourhood.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 11:21 PM
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That's really fucked up, koops. The OMB isn't there to plan our cities.
I'm not saying that's why it's there.

I'm saying that's the end result...

Clearly, the developers have examined the rules carefully, and are now out-playing the City at it's own game.

PS> There are a few stepbacks, on the 4th and 6th floors... the transition from the podium to the tower.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 12:05 AM
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It's actually a quite rare for the OMB to make a decision that changes a neighbourhood. It's more the end result you hope for which I do get. It's still a fucked up comment. Best to stick to measuring and drawing instead of offering your 2 cents for something you have little interest in.

P.S. I'm not talking about the podium in case there was any confusion there.
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I DO have an interest. What I DON'T have is some sort of negative reaction because I feel like my neighbourhood is getting shafted or something.

I may not have a firm grasp of the in's and out's of the OMB process, but I can certainly see the end result of several years worth of decisions. Just a quick look at the Entertainment area will clue you in to what I'm seeing... It's also happening at Dundas & Jarvis now.

All of this has nothing to do with whether or not I "like" it. It's happening all on it's own, without my help...

Downtown Toronto continues to grow. Upwards AND outwards... The neighbourhoods immediately adjacent to downtown will be Manhattanized, even if you DON'T like it...
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Ugh....Theory Condos?? Sounds like a pile made from Pemberton. The building looks meh in the render, but if built it definitely would be a tree in a farmers field.. The render has a weird perspective to it...makes the building look way too tall for 29 floors.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 2:01 AM
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I DO have an interest. What I DON'T have is some sort of negative reaction because I feel like my neighbourhood is getting shafted or something.

I may not have a firm grasp of the in's and out's of the OMB process, but I can certainly see the end result of several years worth of decisions. Just a quick look at the Entertainment area will clue you in to what I'm seeing... It's also happening at Dundas & Jarvis now.

All of this has nothing to do with whether or not I "like" it. It's happening all on it's own, without my help...

Downtown Toronto continues to grow. Upwards AND outwards... The neighbourhoods immediately adjacent to downtown will be Manhattanized, even if you DON'T like it...
C'mon. The I don't have a position because I can't do anything about it is garbage. You're always quick to give your 2 cents to any criticism over these developments out of sheer boredom and desiring a change in topic or in defense of your height fetish. There's just no room for quality including the consideration of the pre-existing urban environment in your mind.

Manhattanization is a term of excess used by NIMBYs and now YIMBYs . In actuality, it's the exact opposite of how Manhattan achieved its urban greatness. For YIMBYs, they are deluding themselves that building taller and taller and denser and denser developments is sustainable if the outcome creates a mediocre living environment that is the same as the cheaper 905 city centres.

I'm not opposed to a well crafted tower here. I'm opposed to this high FAR, ugly, fat ass tower.

P.S. I'm just a citizen of Toronto. I've spoken up both in support and against developments. We do have a say. We can change things.
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Let's clear a few things up first. My use of the term Manhattanized was in the context of tall buildings, and dense city building too. Don't be deluded into thinking I consider Toronto on par with NYC when it comes to ALL of the parameters involved with being a great city. I'm being very much a "height" guy on this issue.
But there are a few things that Toronto does very much like New York, that are obvious to even the ordinary citizen, such as building tall towers all over the place... it's in the news quite often, it's become the new normal in fact.

Nobody can predict the future. It has yet to be determined if the Toronto that's being built now is sustainable or not. Far more than new buildings are being constructed.

Quality... while I certainly like seeing a well built skyscraper, I have to take the good with the bad, just like everyone else. I'm LAZY about showing up for community issues, always have been. Besides voting in Federal elections, I have never gone to local schools, churches, community centres, or whatever, for local matters of interest. And don't bother to single me out, since only a very small percent of the population actually does show up for these things. I'm part of the vast majority when it comes to "city building"...
You, and others who care more than the rest of us, will show up for local projects, and speak your piece, cast your vote, etc... congrats for being involved...
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Toronto is obviously building a lot of towers but is definitely not becoming Manhattenized which is a very good thing. Toronto has tall buildings beside streets of beautiful Victorian & Georgian homes and beautiful townhomes that offers a comfort and familiarity New York doesn't have.

You could definitely say Vancouver has become Manhattenized due to having almost no SFH in the downtown and no row housing as they have nearly all been razed to the groundl but not Toronto.
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I DO have an interest. What I DON'T have is some sort of negative reaction because I feel like my neighbourhood is getting shafted or something.

I may not have a firm grasp of the in's and out's of the OMB process, but I can certainly see the end result of several years worth of decisions. Just a quick look at the Entertainment area will clue you in to what I'm seeing... It's also happening at Dundas & Jarvis now.

All of this has nothing to do with whether or not I "like" it. It's happening all on it's own, without my help...

Downtown Toronto continues to grow. Upwards AND outwards... The neighbourhoods immediately adjacent to downtown will be Manhattanized, even if you DON'T like it...
Ugh the towers ruined the EDistrict and now are wrecking the historic genteel area around Jarvis. 90% of the architecture is crap, the old narrow street fronts are ruined by blank walls of glass, anti-urban parking garage ramps and generic chain retail. And the people that live in these slums ... ugh.
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Let's clear a few things up first. My use of the term Manhattanized was in the context of tall buildings, and dense city building too. Don't be deluded into thinking I consider Toronto on par with NYC when it comes to ALL of the parameters involved with being a great city. I'm being very much a "height" guy on this issue.
But there are a few things that Toronto does very much like New York, that are obvious to even the ordinary citizen, such as building tall towers all over the place... it's in the news quite often, it's become the new normal in fact.

Nobody can predict the future. It has yet to be determined if the Toronto that's being built now is sustainable or not. Far more than new buildings are being constructed.

Quality... while I certainly like seeing a well built skyscraper, I have to take the good with the bad, just like everyone else. I'm LAZY about showing up for community issues, always have been. Besides voting in Federal elections, I have never gone to local schools, churches, community centres, or whatever, for local matters of interest. And don't bother to single me out, since only a very small percent of the population actually does show up for these things. I'm part of the vast majority when it comes to "city building"...
You, and others who care more than the rest of us, will show up for local projects, and speak your piece, cast your vote, etc... congrats for being involved...
Most of Manhattan--especially the desirable areas--is under 10 storeys.
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Toronto is obviously building a lot of towers but is definitely not becoming Manhattenized which is a very good thing. Toronto has tall buildings beside streets of beautiful Victorian & Georgian homes and beautiful townhomes that offers a comfort and familiarity New York doesn't have.

You could definitely say Vancouver has become Manhattenized due to having almost no SFH in the downtown and no row housing as they have nearly all been razed to the groundl but not Toronto.
Yep. Toronto is more like a mix of Seattle and LA.
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