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Old Posted May 19, 2019, 3:43 PM
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Why are we still talking about this international tourist BS?

Enough guys. Grow a pair, and lets talk about real economic news.
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Old Posted May 19, 2019, 8:35 PM
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Why are we still talking about this international tourist BS?

Enough guys. Grow a pair, and lets talk about real economic news.
Tourism has nothing to do with the economy of a place? Yeah okay. Fyi, tourists spent $13.7B in Chicago between 2010 and 2014 and the city has added 22,000 related tourism jobs since 2011. Considering there were 16 million fewer tourists in that year versus last, the spending number is probably a bit more now. International tourists spend over 3x more than domestic tourists, and it's in the city's best interest to see an increase of this. Actually it's in everyone's best interest. Many jobs, revenue, tax revenue, etc will follow.

So yes, it's more than valid unless you think the economy is constrained to how many tech jobs there are. This is news, it's in a fucking new report released the other day and Chicago lags in this area that brings in higher spending tourists. Not that there's a problem with the tourism numbers overall - they are awesome, but a sizable increase of international tourists would mean a boost in jobs and revenue to many business and the city.

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May 17, 2019 11:18 AM



Old Post Office closes in on another big lease



Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago is looking to move from the Aon Center to the redeveloped behemoth along the South Branch of the Chicago River.



The developer overhauling the Old Main Post Office is close to snagging another big tenant, this time from the financial world.

Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago, one of 11 federally chartered wholesale banks around the country, is in advanced talks to lease around 125,000 square-feet at the massive building at 433 W. Van Buren St., according to sources familiar with negotiations.

The Chicago FHLB is planning to relocate and expand from its office at the Aon Center, where it leases about 96,000 square feet today.
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Old Posted May 20, 2019, 8:06 PM
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Outside of New York, there is no city on the Western Hemisphere that has the whole sum of things to offer as Chicago does. It's absolutely ridiculous that tourists from outside the US are coming to the US, renting cars, and driving around LA. For what, exactly? To see Hollywood and the houses of the stars? What do you see after that? I bet you anything that these foreigners go home thinking that they've seen the best that America has to offer.
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^ From the standpoint of a tourist visiting a city, I think one can make a strong case for it. I'm not talking about visiting wine country, or skiing, or the like.

But if we're talking about a packaged, urban experience: architecture, water tours, dining, nightlife, culture, museums, theatre--all within a small geographic area and without requiring one to rent a car, why not?
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^Because in the U.S. Los Angeles and San Francisco offer just as much as Chicago does using those criteria. . . have you been to these cities??? In the Western Hemisphere you've got Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, the list goes on. . . and most of these cities can be visited with minimal effort all year long because the weather is not unbearable. . .

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^Because in the U.S. Los Angeles and San Francisco offer just as much as Chicago does using those criteria. . . have you been to these cities???.
^ Numerous times.

From the standpoint of a tourist, I'd take visiting Chicago during the warmer months (which I said in my earlier post--hence your incessant whining about the local weather shouldn't apply here) over visiting those places.

We don't have to agree on this, but once upon a time shameless boosterism was common in this town.....must have been a more exciting time than today
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^Because in the U.S. Los Angeles and San Francisco offer just as much as Chicago does using those criteria. . . have you been to these cities??? In the Western Hemisphere you've got Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, the list goes on. . . and most of these cities can be visited with minimal effort all year long because the weather is not unbearable. . .

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Boston, too.
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Old Posted May 20, 2019, 9:32 PM
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Boston, too.
See, now we might as well name them all--which is fine, they are wonderful cities:

Seattle, SF, Washington DC, Philadelphia, there we go.

There's that midwestern modesty that serves us so well... Don't stick your neck out, don't exaggerate just a little bit, don't stretch the truth just a little bit....

I think you guys are missing my point by a tad. No place became great by sitting there telling the cold, hard, sober truth all of the time--especially not Chicago. It wouldn't be the end of the world to bring some of that bravado back, at least if we're on the topic of marketing the city, which is what we were discussing.

It's okay to brag. Not the end of the world. Just saying....
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Here's a great marketing slogan:

"Come to Chicago. We're kinda sorta just as nice as Boston, SF, and LA, as long as you don't come in the winter"
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^ Numerous times.

From the standpoint of a tourist, I'd take visiting Chicago during the warmer months (which I said in my earlier post--hence your incessant whining about the local weather shouldn't apply here) over visiting those places.

We don't have to agree on this, but once upon a time shameless boosterism was common in this town.....must have been a more exciting time than today
It's not whining when I'm simply stating the facts as to why people go to retire or on vacation. . . your shameless boosterism has been noted, but wanting something to be greater than it is doesn't make it so. . .

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Here's a great marketing slogan:

"Come to Chicago. We're kinda sorta just as nice as Boston, SF, and LA, as long as you don't come in the winter"
That's just it. . . I don't think Chicago needs any "marketing slogan". . . Chicago is a great city on it's own and doesn't need this kind of help. . . boosterism on this level feels labored and smacks of desperation. . . it's embarrassing quite frankly. . .

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Old Posted May 20, 2019, 9:57 PM
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That's just it. . . I don't think Chicago needs any "marketing slogan". . . Chicago is a great city on it's own and doesn't need this kind of help. . . boosterism on this level feels labored and smacks of desperation. . . it's embarrassing quite frankly. . .

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That may be what you think, and I'm sure you're not alone.

But I think if there is any interest in drawing more international visitors to Chicago, we aren't going to get there by telling everyone that Chicago is "just as good" as anywhere else. You have to emphasize, boldly, where it stands out above the crowd--and even if we weren't being 100% honest, that wouldn't be the first time that happened anywhere. Talk about the architecture, the top theatre scene, the great museums, our unique lakefront, our highly regarded dining scene, or our unusually large number & variety of summer festivals. Why not?

Perhaps you don't really care, and that's fine. But don't expect everyone else to share your apathy about that matter.
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Old Posted May 20, 2019, 10:27 PM
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That may be what you think, and I'm sure you're not alone.

But I think if there is any interest in drawing more international visitors to Chicago, we aren't going to get there by telling everyone that Chicago is "just as good" as anywhere else.

Perhaps you don't really care, and that's fine. But don't expect everyone else to share your apathy about that matter.
I think I'm not making my point clear. . . it's not so much that I feel like Chicago is "just as good" as anywhere else, it's just that it's a totally different animal altogether. . .

Chicago is a great city with a lot of history that is well suited for a slightly different brand of tourist than the average person looking to see the Statue of Liberty or the beach. . . and I'm the first person that will tout our merits to international travelers that I meet. . . I'm sure people from Manchester UK or Frankfurt Germany have these same debates. . .

At the end of the day I don't think you're going to have much luck convincing some brain dead slob to come to Chicago over some other place that has more tourist-friendly offerings. . . and I've seen my share of them - wandering aimlessly around the United Center to get a picture at the statue of the guy from Space Jam. . . good thing we have Navy Pier to siphon off those hordes. . .

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I tend to have a philosophy that "greatness", in its heart, is somewhat about bullshit. You have to sell yourself to create a cluster, and as that cluster grows and snowballs, something great comes out of it. Every great place had to do it during some points in their history, even New York.

In a way I sort of disagree in that I believe Chicago has a growing problem of standing out in the crowd. We have a much more crowded field of great cities in America today as compared to 1893. I feel we need to do a bit more boasting and grandstanding to reel in more international tourism business, although I understand that this rubs some people the wrong way, particularly those of a mild-mannered midwestern persuasion.

But we also should remember that for a long time, this is how Chicago once was, and how it got the nickname "Windy City".
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Chicago definitely needs better marketing. I'm full of anecdotes but I've met and also shown around numerous people from outside this country and I don't remember a single person saying "Yeah that's about what I expected." The general sentiment is that basically they thought it was just some city with not much to do in the middle of the country and that they thought it wasn't nice and that it had crime everywhere. Every. Single. Person i've shown around (which is not just a few people - in the multiples of large handfuls). It's the same thing every time "Wow, I didn't know there was so much here and I wasn't expecting it to be so nice." Usually what they know about Chicago the actual city has to do with the news - and it's basically only about crime these days. The expectation is a crappy city where crime is rampant even in tourist areas and it's not nice.

The people who know about Chicago are the ones who've actually been to Chicago, or maybe they've seen features on TV/Internet about it. This even goes down to my American co-workers here in NYC who were born and raised in the NE (or moved here 20 or so years ago from another country). Clueless too. Maybe back in the day people were less clueless, but considering the media talks about places to visit nowadays in terms of the bay area, LA, Miami, etc - Chicago kind of gets lost in the fold especially for people who are under the age of 40.

Just to get it in there, my fiance does marketing for a living (with a masters in it), and the very first time I showed her around the city her statement was "The marketing for Chicago is terrible.." I tend to agree. We all know about Chicago, and there are some people who are over the age of 40 or 50 who know about it, but for someone who is under the age of 40, it's not as in the forefront anymore. People are going to visit Portland, Seattle, SF, etc sometimes now before they come to Chicago.

Internationally, you could make a case for why they shouldn't "waste their time" in Chicago, but I think you'll be surprised at how many international travelers have Chicago as their favorite city after visiting. The problem is getting them to come in the first place. As someone mentioned before, a lot of international visitors go to national parks and what not - which makes complete sense. NYC makes sense, as well as DC/Philadelphia/Boston. And I do love cities like SF and LA, but if you say "Why would you visit Chicago?" then I could make the same case for those places too technically. People go to LA for Hollywood and think that movie stars are just roaming the streets everywhere. Most people wouldn't go if it wasn't for that expectation.
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^ And the problem is, we apparently have a bunch of Tom in Chicago types (no offense intended) handling the marketing around here.

"We're happy just the way were are, mind your own business, and don't send nobody nobody sent" etc etc.
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^ And the problem is, we apparently have a bunch of Tom in Chicago types (no offense intended) handling the marketing around here.

"We're happy just the way were are, mind your own business, and don't send nobody nobody sent" etc etc.
Yeah pretty much. There's nothing wrong with being content, but the general outlook of the city internationally for people who have never visited is far from what some people think. I mean numerous people I met and showed around it went down to "I have to tell people back home about Chicago and to stop listening to the media about the city." When Chicago makes the news internationally these days, it's usually not for good reasons (especially since the Bulls aren't winning championships and don't have any big superstars anymore). I mean it's to the point where last year there was that art installation that was about "gun sharing" in the Loop and the state media in China literally interpreted it as a legitimate thing. Tons of people in China think Chicago now has gun sharing and still do to this day.

Let me bring something up - At least according to 360 at Hancock Tower, Houston has more international visitors than Chicago. HOUSTON. There's some other studies that had Chicago above Houston but not by much. Look, we could justify cities like NYC, Vegas, LA, and Miami - but Houston? Come the F on. Maybe it's being close to Mexico, I don't know - the flight is 2-2.5 hours versus 4-4.5 hours to Chicago from Mexico City. Shouldn't matter anyway.

Tourism in Chicago is doing really well obviously, but at the same time getting more international visitors would be a big boost economically and probably more than some realize.
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Also I'm happy to report that the Chicago-based Asian food delivery company Chow Bus finally expanded into Queens where we now live. The app is great and allows us to get delicious Chinese food delivered from Flushing (since there's really no good Chinese food around us). Hopefully it catches on here. Love how it allows you to order from multiple restaurants at once and get it delivered with one person.




Snapsheet raises $29M to expand its SaaS offerings

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Doubling down on analytics has paid off for Snapsheet.

The Chicago-based insurance technology provider, which launched in 2010, announced on Monday that it has raised a $29 million Series E round.

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“Over the past few months, we’ve been taking our platform and building it out as an SaaS tool that we’re extending to market,” he said. While auto appraisal, the company’s bread and butter, will be the company’s first move, Yoder said that Snapsheet is working to expand beyond its current focus into other claims such as bodily injury, property and commercial claims.

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Yoder also points to the Chicago tech community as a major source of inspiration. Snapsheet’s entire team is based in Chicago and Yoder noted that they have been able to build their entire team locally.

“Chicago is our lifeblood,” he said.
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^No offense taken. . . I guess it's a good thing I'm not in charge of "marketing" for the city of Chicago. . . but then again. . . I'm not sure exactly who is. . . Dick Wolf maybe?

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