PHILADELPHIA | 1919 Market | NEVER BUILT - Page 2

sciguy0504 · #21 Posted **Nov 8, 2006, 9:20 PM**

I agree this space should be used for a much taller and important building/development. There are other areas in the city that could use this tower at its former and apparently new height. The site of the porn theatre across from the Murano would be ideal, IMO.

SJPhillyBoy · #22 Posted **Nov 8, 2006, 9:42 PM**

I don't even think this building is worthy of replacing the porn theartre.

bryson662001 · #23 Posted **Nov 9, 2006, 4:54 AM**

The 20 story plus garage Penn Center Inn that used to be on this lot.

CondoGuru · #24 Posted **Jan 4, 2007, 8:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by omp835

Hey man, no reason to shout. I'm just worried about you jinxing this turd project by starting a construction thread months before there's any chance of an official
ground breaking let alone an actual shovel in the ground. You don't even have any renderings yet but you're confident it's going to get,or already has gotten, the green light. Good luck with that.

Being that you feel 1919 is a "terd" of a project, you might be disappointed to know that I only post information I receive from the "horse's mouth" and have been dead-on with every word of it. Sorry.

SJPhillyBoy · #25 Posted **Jan 4, 2007, 8:40 PM**

So it is really happening? When is construction scheduled to start?

SouthPhilly · #26 Posted **Jan 5, 2007, 1:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by CondoGuru

Being that you feel 1919 is a "terd" of a project, you might be disappointed to know that I only post information I receive from the "horse's mouth" and have been dead-on with every word of it. Sorry.

That basically sums it up, everything you have posted has been false and continuously rude. This thread is completely flawed

CondoGuru · #27 Posted **Jan 5, 2007, 10:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by SouthPhilly

That basically sums it up, everything you have posted has been false and continuously rude. This thread is completely flawed

False and continuously rude? Like 1441 being cancelled, MarinaView being cancelled and SouthBridge becoming a rental? All before the news became public? Yeah, my sources are full of crap. Oh wait a minute, all that was true! I also seem to remember getting into numerous debates with a bunch of idiots claiming Murano wasn't going ahead either. Guess who was right? Don't be angry with me just because you're not informed or know anyone who is...I'm not a shrink and I'm not here to massage your ego.

cactus22minus1 · #28 Posted **Jan 5, 2007, 11:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by CondoGuru

...I'm not a shrink and I'm not here to massage your ego.

Maybe not, but definitely your own. I don't know anything about the condo market in Philly so I can't say if you're right or wrong, but your username and attitude say alot about you.

CondoGuru · #29 Posted **Apr 18, 2007, 3:01 PM**

How about that? My sources were right once again. Check out Opus' website for the info I posted several months ago you ungrateful terds...

"Opus East recently received their approvals for 1919 Market Street, a property that consists of approximately one acre of land at the northeast corner of 20th and Market Streets in Center City, Philadelphia. The 14-story building is planned to contain 257 multi-family apartments, with an average unit size of 1,060 square-feet, as well as 16,530 square-feet of retail space on the first floor, and a 168-car public garage. The building is scheduled for completion in the second quarter of 2009."

BigDan35 · #30 Posted **Apr 18, 2007, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by CondoGuru

How about that? My sources were right once again. Check out Opus' website for the info I posted several months ago you ungrateful terds...

"Opus East recently received their approvals for 1919 Market Street, a property that consists of approximately one acre of land at the northeast corner of 20th and Market Streets in Center City, Philadelphia. The 14-story building is planned to contain 257 multi-family apartments, with an average unit size of 1,060 square-feet, as well as 16,530 square-feet of retail space on the first floor, and a 168-car public garage. The building is scheduled for completion in the second quarter of 2009."

You are making an ass of yourself. You sound arrogant and ignorant as hell with all your "I told you so!!!" posts.

CondoGuru · #31 Posted **Apr 18, 2007, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by BigDan35

You are making an ass of yourself. You sound arrogant and ignorant as hell with all your "I told you so!!!" posts.

maybe arrogant, but obviously not ignorant. . When I'm accused of posting false information that I know to be true, I defend my sources...that's where it started. You can accuse me of arrogance, but the facts, and only the facts support my posts.

SJPhillyBoy · #32 Posted **Apr 19, 2007, 3:13 PM**

You are probably right that Opus will eventually build something there, but I have to question the release from them that you posted as being accurate.

The St. James tower at a height of 498 ft and 45 floors has 306 luxury units. So rough estimate, the St. James would have 7 units per floor.
In the release you posted, the Opus building is a 14-story building and is planned to contain 257 multi-family apartments, with an average unit size of 1,060 square-feet.
That would be 19 units per floor, plus they are going to jam in parking and retail somewhere. I have to question this release at least of not being accurate. That is jamming allot of units per floor on the footprint of that lot.

Also, as I have been saying, it would be a travesty to build anything shorter than 45 floors at that location, right in the middle of all of the tallest buildings in the city, in the central business district.

CondoGuru · #33 Posted **Apr 19, 2007, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by SJPhillyBoy

You are probably right that Opus will eventually build something there, but I have to question the release from them that you posted as being accurate.

The St. James tower at a height of 498 ft and 45 floors has 306 luxury units. So rough estimate, the St. James would have 7 units per floor.
In the release you posted, the Opus building is a 14-story building and is planned to contain 257 multi-family apartments, with an average unit size of 1,060 square-feet.
That would be 19 units per floor, plus they are going to jam in parking and retail somewhere. I have to question this release at least of not being accurate. That is jamming allot of units per floor on the footprint of that lot.

Also, as I have been saying, it would be a travesty to build anything shorter than 45 floors at that location, right in the middle of all of the tallest buildings in the city, in the central business district.

I agree. It seems as though they inserted their condo plans into the press release without bothering to offer a reconfigured plan for this new rental. If they were smart, they would move ahead with the originally planned 39-level building as a rental to give the St. James some more competition. But construction costs only ever rise, so it's possible that a shorter, 12 to 18 month construction schedule for a midrise makes more sense for them numbers wise, as opposed to the usual 24 to 28 month schedule required to complete a 40-plus monster. But the info I received prior to the release on their website was directly from an Opus official, so we'll have to see what happens next.

gbayard · #34 Posted **May 17, 2007, 12:57 AM**

What happened to innovation? Maybe we shouldn't build the way we did 50 years ago. Poured in place concrete is old news! It's clearly too expensive, so let's move on. The rise in craft labor costs are as much to blame for the current imbalance as materials and energy.

CondoGuru · #35 Posted **May 29, 2007, 2:43 PM**

Here is a link to an article supporting the information I was given earlier this year regarding Opus' development of an apartment building at 1919 Market.

http://philadelphia.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/stories/2007/05/28/story2.html?b=1180324800^1467255

Considering how much crap I got from some folks here over the validity of my sources, let me just say that I am in no way a fan of this new plan either. I also believe that it's a complete waste of that parcel and not at all in line with the surrounding buildings' heights. Nonetheless, they are moving forward with this newly revised plan.

GarCastle · #36 Posted **May 30, 2007, 2:32 AM**

Regardless of the lame height, it will still add some retail to that end of Market. Maybe it will have an observation deck! And an 860' spire on top! :^)

Seriously though the retail will help that area as will having that many apartments instead of just office space. At least it was hit one less time with the ugly stick than that building that Trader Joe's is in (I don't even want to know its name lol).

skellergroup · #37 Posted **Aug 22, 2007, 2:10 AM**

Is there any activity going on at this site?
I ran by the other day and it looks like part of the fence was missing.

Anybody hear anything?

Chazly7 · #38 Posted **Aug 23, 2007, 3:33 AM**

This project is a tragedy....

Pennsgrant · #39 Posted **Aug 23, 2007, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by skellergroup

Is there any activity going on at this site?
I ran by the other day and it looks like part of the fence was missing.

Anybody hear anything?

It doesn't look like anything else is going to get off the ground in the near future. Maybe Dranoff with 777 Broad St but I'd be amazed if anything else goes up in the next year or so , in this climate.

SJPhillyBoy · #40 Posted **Nov 13, 2007, 12:14 AM**

Shouldn't this one have started construction by now? It was supposed to start in the summer. I don't see any activity on site.