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Old Posted Feb 6, 2020, 6:01 PM
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Which is why any hypocritical lawsuit brought against BC will fall flat on its ass.
Except for the fact that New Zealand provides exemptions to its foreign buyer ban to certain nations it has trade and investment treaties with. Treaties similar to ones we have with some nations.

This has to be challenged in specific courts rather than provincial courts though which is why the bc court refused to review it.
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Except for the fact that New Zealand provides exemptions to its foreign buyer ban to certain nations it has trade and investment treaties with. Treaties similar to ones we have with some nations.

This has to be challenged in specific courts rather than provincial courts though which is why the bc court refused to review it.
Did they refuse to review it? Or did they review it, and dismiss it?
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Did they refuse to review it? Or did they review it, and dismiss it?
The first I believe. Looking for it again but couldn't find it. Found it! Honestly looks like he discussed them but its way too legal for me to understand. He does mention an investor-state arbitration tribunal. In point 171 he mentions how these treaties are not part of domestic law, I'm not sure what that refers to but I assume it means that although we have treaties we haven't integrated them into domestic law?

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[158] In its second amended notice of civil claim the plaintiff refers to 33 international treaties that Canada has entered into with certain named countries, which it refers to as the “List A Treaties”. They include the North American Free Trade Agreement (“NAFTA”). The plaintiff submits that in these treaties, Canada has ensured that governments here will provide treatment to investors from List A countries that is no less favourable than that received by Canadians operating in a reciprocating country.

[159] As an example, the plaintiff cites Article 1102 of NAFTA that provides:

1. Each Party shall accord to investors of another Party treatment no less favourable than it accords, in like circumstances, to its own investors with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.

2. Each Party shall accord to investments of investors of another Party treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investments of its own investors with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.

3. The treatment accorded by a Party under paragraphs 1 and 2 means, with respect to a state or province, treatment no less favourable than the most favourable treatment accorded, in like circumstance, by that state or province to investors, and to investments of investors, of the Party of which it forms a part.

[160] Under Article 1139 of NAFTA, the ownership of real estate constitutes an investment that is protected by NAFTA. An investor is defined as someone who has made, is making or seeks to make an investment. Accordingly, persons who seek to make a real estate investment who are nationals of one of the contracting parties are covered by the terms of NAFTA.

[161] The plaintiff argues that the Impugned Provisions require foreign investors to pay a tax that is not otherwise payable by Canadian citizens or permanent residents operating in like circumstances and thus treat investors from the treaty countries less favourably than Canadian citizens or permanent residents.

[162] The plaintiff also refers to treaties entered into by Canada with a number of countries described as “List B Countries”, many of which are the same as in the List A Countries, to ensure that all governments in Canada pay monetary compensation upon the taking of property (“expropriation”) of foreign investors.

[163] As an example, the plaintiff cites Article 1110 of NAFTA which provides:

Article 1110: Expropriation and Compensation

1. No Party may directly or indirectly nationalize or expropriate an investment of an investor of another Party in its territory or take a measure tantamount to nationalization or expropriation of such an investment (“expropriation”), except:

a. for a public purpose;

b. on a non-discriminatory basis;

c. in accordance with due process of law and Article 1105(1); and

d. on payment of compensation in accordance with paragraphs 2 through 6.

2. Compensation shall be equivalent to the fair market value of the expropriated investment immediately before the expropriation took place (“date of expropriation”), and shall not reflect any change in value occurring because the intended expropriation had become known earlier. Valuation criteria shall include going concern value, asset value including declared tax value of tangible property, and other criteria, as appropriate, to determine fair market value.

3. Compensation shall be paid without delay and be fully realizable.

[164] The plaintiff submits that payment of the Tax by a foreign investor to acquire real property constitutes an amount wrongfully taken by the defendant in respect of an asset protected by the List B Treaties in violation of the expropriation provisions of those treaties.

[165] The plaintiff also refers to List C countries that are parties to the World Trade Agreement with Canada and the treaty obligations include the General Agreement on Trade in Services, (“GATS”), which it argues applies to the purchase of a home. The plaintiff says that the Tax offends Article XVII of GATS, the national treatment provision.

[166] In its written submission, the plaintiff referred for the first time to federal statutes for six additional treaties that were not listed in Lists A, B and C of her amended pleadings. The six additional free trade agreements, (“FTA’s), are not included in the affidavit of H. Warhurst and the reports of Professor Howse and Mr. Thomas do not address them. In my view, at such a late stage in the trial, Canada’s FTA’s with Costa Rica, the European Free Trade Association, the European Union, Israel, Jordan, Panama, Ukraine and the United States should not be allowed into evidence. Further, there has been no demonstration by the plaintiff that those FTA’s contain investor protection provisions. Neither do those FTA’s contain national treatment or expropriation compensation obligations relating to investments.

[167] In support of the allegation of treaty violations, the plaintiff has relied on the opinions of Professor Howse found in paras. 98 to 124 of his report which have not been admitted into evidence. The omissions and errors in Professor Howse’s analysis are pointed out in paras. 31 to 105 of the reply report of Mr. Thomas.

[168] It is also apparent that in many of the treaties cited by the plaintiff in her notice of civil claim, the plaintiff’s claim is barred under the terms of the treaty. For example, under Article 14 of the Canada-China FIPA, the national treatment obligation has no application to taxation measures.

[169] Similarly, although there is an expropriation compensation provision in the Canada-China FIPA, under Article 14(5), an investor is precluded from making a claim under it in respect of a taxation measure unless and until the taxation authorities of Canada and China have been given a six-month window of opportunity to determine that the taxation measure is not an expropriation. Professor Howse provides no indication of how he reached the conclusion that the national treatment obligation of the 33 List A treaties is fully binding in relation to the Foreign Buyers’ Tax in respect of the treaties that exclude taxation measures from the scope of national treatment. In my view, the schedules appended to the opinion of Professor Howse contain conclusions without a path of analysis and I give them no weight.

[170] I accept the view of Mr. Thomas that it would be “an uphill battle” to persuade an investor-state arbitration tribunal that a tax like the Foreign Buyers’ Tax constitutes an expropriation. (paras. 177-192 of Thomas report). It is my view that, apart from the requirement in Article 14(5), the Tax does not amount to an expropriation, either direct or indirect, under any of the List “B” treaties.

[171] Of the 37 treaties cited by the plaintiff, only six FTA’s and the GATS have federal implementing legislation. Each of the seven federal implementing statues contain a provision that the treaty “is hereby approved”, however such general approval does not have the effect of incorporating the content of the treaty into domestic law. (Pfizer Inc. v. Canada (T.D.), [1999] 4 FC 441, aff’d [1999] FCJ No 1598 (CA) and Council of Canadians v. Canada (Attorney General), (2006), 277 DLR (4th) 527 (Ont. CA))
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[172] As noted by the defendant, to the extent that aspects of the FTA’s and the GATS have actually been incorporated into domestic law, the implemented content does not encompass the investor protections cited by the plaintiff and has no relationship with or application to the Impugned Provisions. The implementing statutes did not effect wholesale incorporation of the treaties into domestic federal law but only specific aspects of the treaties excluding the investor protection provisions. I agree with the defendant that the provisions of the federal implementing statutes prohibiting a private cause of action are consistent with Parliament’s intention not to incorporate the investor protections into domestic law.

[173] There is also an absence of implementing legislation for the thirty Foreign Investment Protection and Promotion Agreements (“FIPAs”) referred to by the plaintiff. (Sin v. Canada, 2016 F.C.J. 61)

[174] Paramountcy requires the identification of a domestic federal law with which the impugned provincial legislation is in conflict and in my view the plaintiff has not succeeded in pointing to such a federal law. Accordingly, the plaintiff has not established that the Impugned Provisions are inoperative by reason of the paramountcy doctrine nor that they frustrate the purpose of a federal law.
https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/1...m#_Toc22721539

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The first I believe. Looking for it again but couldn't find it.
From the judgement:

"[171] Of the 37 treaties cited by the plaintiff, only six FTA’s and the GATS have federal implementing legislation. Each of the seven federal implementing statues contain a provision that the treaty “is hereby approved”, however such general approval does not have the effect of incorporating the content of the treaty into domestic law. (Pfizer Inc. v. Canada (T.D.), [1999] 4 FC 441, aff’d [1999] FCJ No 1598 (CA) and Council of Canadians v. Canada (Attorney General), (2006), 277 DLR (4th) 527 (Ont. CA))

[172] As noted by the defendant, to the extent that aspects of the FTA’s and the GATS have actually been incorporated into domestic law, the implemented content does not encompass the investor protections cited by the plaintiff and has no relationship with or application to the Impugned Provisions. The implementing statutes did not effect wholesale incorporation of the treaties into domestic federal law but only specific aspects of the treaties excluding the investor protection provisions. I agree with the defendant that the provisions of the federal implementing statutes prohibiting a private cause of action are consistent with Parliament’s intention not to incorporate the investor protections into domestic law.

[173] There is also an absence of implementing legislation for the thirty Foreign Investment Protection and Promotion Agreements (“FIPAs”) referred to by the plaintiff. (Sin v. Canada, 2016 F.C.J. 61)

[174] Paramountcy requires the identification of a domestic federal law with which the impugned provincial legislation is in conflict and in my view the plaintiff has not succeeded in pointing to such a federal law. Accordingly, the plaintiff has not established that the Impugned Provisions are inoperative by reason of the paramountcy doctrine nor that they frustrate the purpose of a federal law.

XIII. Conclusion
[242] The application by the defendant is allowed and the action by the plaintiff is dismissed

Considered - rejected.
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A poll out yesterday showed increasing support for the NDP government's housing measures and taxes. Worrying for the BC Libs that includes a huge chunk of their supporters. 3/4 of British Columbians would support a complete ban on foreign ownership:

Poll finds steady support for B.C. government’s housing taxes
Mario Canseco / Glacier News
JUNE 18, 2020

Last month, Research Co. and Glacier Media looked at the state of affairs in British Columbia’s political scene. For more than five years, concerns about housing, homelessness and poverty dominated the issue landscape, with residents aged 18 to 34 and Metro Vancouverites being significantly more worried than their non-urban and older counterparts.

The COVID-19 pandemic has affected the way we look at the challenges facing the province. British Columbians aged 55 and over are responsible for pushing health care to the top of the list of provincial concerns, while those aged 35 to 54 became increasingly troubled by economic matters. For those aged 18 to 34 and Metro Vancouverites, however, housing affordability remains the one issue that requires attention...

...New Zealand passed legislation that bans most foreigners from purchasing real estate in the country. There are exceptions for those who hold residency status in New Zealand, as well as citizens from Australia and Singapore, due to existing free trade agreements.

When British Columbians are asked about implementing a similar regulation across Canada, more than three in four (78%) are in favour of following New Zealand’s lead, while only 15% disagree and 7% are undecided.

Support for a new kind of legislation that would effectively forbid most non-Canadians from purchasing real estate is endorsed by sizable majorities across all demographics. The numbers climb markedly among men (80%), British Columbians aged 35 to 54 (88%) and residents of Vancouver Island (also 88%).

Once again, there is political consensus. While 73% of BC Green voters are in favour of a Canada-wide ban on foreigners owning real estate, the proportion jumps to 81% among BC Liberals and 87% among BC NDP voters....


https://www.vancourier.com/poll-find...xes-1.24154044
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Glad to see the federal gov't will finally be bringing in their version of a foreign buyers tax, as per yesterday's economic statement. Sounds like bad news for companies that market their luxury condo-over-a-mall projects offshore.

There are plans to introduce a new national tax that targets foreign homeowners who are non-residents and own property for speculative reasons.

On Monday, as part of its budget update and economic outlook, the federal government announced a plan to tax the unproductive use of housing by foreign non-resident owners, which is frequently attributed to rising home prices in key markets...

....The report adds that the federal government will take steps over the coming year to implement a “national, tax-based measure” over the coming year that targets the “unproductive use of domestic housing that is owned by non-resident, non-Canadians, which removes these assets from the domestic housing supply.”

Such a tax could particularly impact the new upscale condominium market, considering this is one of the most common residential property types tapped by foreign investors. The developers of these projects have been known to push their marketing activities overseas...


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/caan...ome-buyers-tax
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Glad to see the federal gov't will finally be bringing in their version of a foreign buyers tax, as per yesterday's economic statement. Sounds like bad news for companies that market their luxury condo-over-a-mall projects offshore.
I understand the intention of trying to reduce non-productive use of real estate in select desirable urban locations, (Currently in BC it's Victoria, the Lower Mainland, Nanaimo, and Kelowna), but is it really a benefit nationwide? Is it really a problem if some foreign citizen maintains a rural vacation property? And is it suddenly not an issue if domestic land speculators park cash in non-productive real estate?
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Penticton is currently seeing an increase in building largely (I speculate) because nearby Kelowna has the vacancy tax.

Penticton does not seem to be complaining.
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Penticton is currently seeing an increase in building largely (I speculate) because nearby Kelowna has the vacancy tax.

Penticton does not seem to be complaining.
Penticton is seeing a lot of building I think because of big real estate demand for the Okanagan right now. It certainly isn't because people are fleeing from investing in the Central Okanagan. Kelowna is building like crazy.
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Penticton is seeing a lot of building I think because of big real estate demand for the Okanagan right now. It certainly isn't because people are fleeing from investing in the Central Okanagan. Kelowna is building like crazy.
Very true. For example, there's lots of Albertans with cash relocating to the Kelowna region due to its interior lifestyle that is closely connected with Alberta (access to fishing, hunting, and outdoor sports, while being close distance to Alberta family members). Jacked up pickup trucks and tailgating are rampant in the Kelowna area, which is a testament to who is also buying up the real estate.
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Very true. For example, there's lots of Albertans with cash relocating to the Kelowna region due to its interior lifestyle that is closely connected with Alberta (access to fishing, hunting, and outdoor sports, while being close distance to Alberta family members). Jacked up pickup trucks and tailgating are rampant in the Kelowna area, which is a testament to who is also buying up the real estate.
This was true 5 or 10 years ago, but no longer the case. Albertan money has dried up, the influx of buyers now, when you look at the data, are from coastal BC and mainly the lower mainland who have fled the housing prices here. So are many of the new businesses, like the new breweries, or new restaurants (e.g. Frankie We Salute You, started by the former owners of the Acorn who sold their business and fled Vancouver).
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Very true. For example, there's lots of Albertans with cash relocating to the Kelowna region due to its interior lifestyle that is closely connected with Alberta (access to fishing, hunting, and outdoor sports, while being close distance to Alberta family members). Jacked up pickup trucks and tailgating are rampant in the Kelowna area, which is a testament to who is also buying up the real estate.
While there have been a ton of Albertans moving to the Okanagan in recent years, jacked up pick-up trucks have been here long before the Albertans came. Kelowna/Central Okanagan has always had a rural/cowboy/country segment of its population. Go to Costco on the weekend, and it can get full-on hillbilly at times.
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Penticton is seeing a lot of building I think because of big real estate demand for the Okanagan right now. It certainly isn't because people are fleeing from investing in the Central Okanagan. Kelowna is building like crazy.
I think the buyers in Penticton are different. Kelowna is more metro Vancouver young families. And Penticton is more vacationers and vacation investors. It seems all the new stuff along the Okanagan lake side can be immediately AirBnB'd.

I absolutely love Penticton. 5 breweries now!!!! Who cares about the wine!
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Judge tossed out the appeal of the FBT this week:

Ajudge in BC ruled yesterday that the Foreign Buyers Tax was not discriminatory and indeed was warranted given the number of buyers at the time.
Foreign buyers’ tax upheld; not discriminatory: B.C. Court of Appeal
Tax deemed valid under provincial legislation and not discriminatory against any one nationality
By Graeme Wood | June 29, 2021, 4:08pm

The Court of Appeal of British Columbia has upheld a prior ruling that the provincial government’s foreign buyer’s property transfer tax is lawful and not discriminatory.

People’s Republic of China citizen Jane Li had her appeal unanimously dismissed June 29 by Justice Barbara Fisher with Justice Susan Griffin and Justice Peter Voith in support.

Ultimately, Fisher determined B.C. Supreme Court Justice Gregory Bowden was correct in his key assessments of the facts put before him in 2019.

First, the province has broad and significant powers over land rights. Second, “the use of foreign capital to purchase residential real property within a province does not fit within the normal paradigm of trade and commerce of commodities across borders.” And third, Li “has not established that the tax provisions create a distinction, whether direct or indirect, based on citizenship or national origin.”

Fisher found the prior ruling sound, as it relied on the fact the tax applies to all foreign nationals and its primary goal is to help achieve housing affordability.

“The view that foreign nationals significantly contributed to the escalation of prices of housing in the GVRD is neither a stereotype nor a continuation of racist policies from the past,” ruled Bowden on October 25, 2019. “The experts have agreed that the inflow of foreign capital has significantly contributed to price increases in the GVRD.” .....(bold mine)


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I think that's a pragmatic step in the right direction. Too often plaintiffs cry foul on gorunds of "ad hominem" and "disrcrimination."
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Ontario to hike tax on foreign homebuyers while expanding it provincewide

The Ontario government is hiking its tax on foreign homebuyers ahead of a provincial election campaign where affordability is expected to be a key issue.

In a news release issued on Tuesday afternoon, the province confirmed that it would increase its non-resident speculation tax from 15 to 20 per cent as of tomorrow.

It said that it would also now apply the tax provincewide. Previously it only applied to properties purchased in the Greater Golden Horseshoe Region.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-to...wide-1.5839862




how long till the BC NDP Matches this?
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Ontario to hike tax on foreign homebuyers while expanding it provincewide

The Ontario government is hiking its tax on foreign homebuyers ahead of a provincial election campaign where affordability is expected to be a key issue.

In a news release issued on Tuesday afternoon, the province confirmed that it would increase its non-resident speculation tax from 15 to 20 per cent as of tomorrow.

It said that it would also now apply the tax provincewide. Previously it only applied to properties purchased in the Greater Golden Horseshoe Region.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-to...wide-1.5839862




how long till the BC NDP Matches this?
Freaking soon, I hope. What all this "good for the economy" investment has wreaked on Vancouver is horrific from the non-wealthy home-seekers POV. Extortionist rents and long waiting lists for any accomodation.
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I'd be VERY curious to see if they extend it to Whistler
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Can't they just skirt any foreign buyers tax by using a Canadian based enterprise (incorporated) to purchase property? Anyone that wants to invest in real estate will go through whatever barriers to get in.
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I'd be VERY curious to see if they extend it to Whistler
It would be a bit silly if they did. The whole raison d’être for Whistler is tourism including international tourists. Since its the province’s only designated Resort Municipality”, its pretty easy to carve out an exception for them.
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