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Old Posted Jul 17, 2022, 7:24 PM
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B.C. residents can now provide input on how to tackle toxic drug crisis

B.C. residents can now provide input on how to tackle toxic drug crisis

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British Columbians are being urged to contribute to a government consultation on the toxic drug emergency, which continues to see an average of more than six residents die of an overdose every day.

The public consultation is part of the provincial standing committee on health, which was formed earlier this year and involves MLAs from all three provincial parties.

It aims to provide recommendations to the government on how to stop an increasing number of people dying from a poisoned illicit-drug supply in the province.

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The public consultation is now open on the legislature's website, accessible through this link.

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The government says the public can provide up to four recommendations to tackle the crisis, including actions to take, how existing services can be improved, and how to "address the harm done by the increasingly toxic and unpredictable illicit supply".

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The public consultation page is open until Aug. 5. The standing committee is set to provide recommendations to the government in November.
Before anyone posts about forced detox, etc there's this quote: "Imagine if people were dying of a poisoned alcohol supply, and then everybody who wanted to drink was just put into treatment."
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Before anyone posts about forced detox, etc there's this quote: "Imagine if people were dying of a poisoned alcohol supply, and then everybody who wanted to drink was just put into treatment."
But alcohol isn't as addictive or nearly as dangerous!!! /s
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I do not envy the underpaid intern who's going to read through all those comments...
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I do not envy the underpaid intern who's going to read through all those comments...
They'll need an intern to write comments considering the amount of engagement they get for transit or development applications.
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They'll need an intern to write comments considering the amount of engagement they get for transit or development applications.
So True!

I'm tempted to write 'bury them standing up' for all that someone will pay attention to the 'input'.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2022, 8:27 PM
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Cold turkey treatment centres!

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Before anyone posts about forced detox, etc there's this quote: "Imagine if people were dying of a poisoned alcohol supply, and then everybody who wanted to drink was just put into treatment."
They will have to if there is indeed poison in the alcohol supply. Or do we give them free alcohol till Kingdom comes? But if you insist, then OK: I want Glenfiddich or Diamond Jubilee (Johnny Walker) all the way till I kick the bucket. That's the most humane way to deal with things, eh?
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I just don't understand the point. It will be a mix of "LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY"... and the other extreme.... "FREE DRUGS".

Tough decisions have to be made and it will comprise of things that anger both the left and the right. I think the biggest thing they can do if this is a public health crisis is to defund all these "societies" and give the budget to the health authorities to specifically handle this. There should absolutely be a list of criteria that force you into treatment (institutionalized) along with other options that include supportive housing and of course jail the element that are just stuck in a life of crime that really hurt the rest of the people who just need help.

The problem getting worse benefits these societies financially as they can continue to call for more money. It's time for a change and I just don't think our current government (all levels) have the gumption to get it done for fear of angering their base.
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I just don't understand the point. [...]
The point is to consult. Process for process' sake. It won't have one iota of impact on decision making in government, but an absence of consultation would be a political risk.
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I just submitted some suggestions. If you look at what they've written on the first page you can think about what you'd want to happen and then it doesn't take very long to fill in the survey.
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Interesting article in the National Post today:

Adam Zivo: The silencing of drug addiction experts who criticize 'safe supply'
Professor says the B.C. provincial government is censoring him
Author of the article: Adam Zivo
Published Jan 02, 2023

One of Canada’s leading experts on drug addiction says British Columbia’s provincial government asked him to delete a crucial database in an attempt to censor criticism of the province’s homeless policies. The incident appears to fit within a larger, nationwide campaign to silence experts who believe that, when it comes to homelessness and drugs, Canadian policy-makers are on the wrong track.

Dr. Julian Somers is a clinical psychologist and distinguished professor at Simon Fraser University, where he directs the Centre for Applied Research in Mental Health and Addiction.

In 2004, Somers established the “Inter-Ministry Evaluation Database” (IMED), which linked data about vulnerable populations across various B.C. ministries — for example: days spent in hospital, detentions and criminal convictions, medications, and income assistance. This helped create detailed pictures of people’s lives, allowing researchers to more accurately measure the impacts of government policies.

Over the years, the database was used in over 30 provincial reports, 60 peer-reviewed publications and several graduate theses.

Somers then used the IMED for his own $20-million research project into anti-poverty programs in Vancouver. The project randomly divided 497 participants into three groups, giving each a different support program. Using the IMED to follow their lives over five years, it concluded that B.C.’s standard approach to homelessness was ineffective.

Tents are seen on the street in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside in a file photo from Aug. 24, 2022. Victims of street crimes perpetrated by encampment inhabitants are revictimized by pro-encampment activists, writes Adam Zivo.
Adam Zivo: Encampment activists callously harass victims of street crime

In B.C., as in much of Canada, the popular approach is to herd homeless people into housing where most, if not all, residents are fresh off the streets, creating a critical mass of trauma and addiction. These residents are then given a “safe supply” of free drugs and provided few resources for recovery and social reintegration......


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sil...on-safe-supply
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Interesting article in the National Post today
The government's actions are concerning.

The article portrays safe supply as the "popular approach" and infers that anyone can access it while in actuality safe supply is a drop in the bucket of BC's drugs.
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The government's actions are concerning.

The article portrays safe supply as the "popular approach" and infers that anyone can access it while in actuality safe supply is a drop in the bucket of BC's drugs.
This is also an opinion piece so expect a lot of bias in the "reporting". All I'm reading is that the ministry wants the database to be government managed and not managed by an individual. The spin is that the government is destroying data, but it just seems to me like they want to change the administration of it.
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Interesting article in the National Post today:

Adam Zivo: The silencing of drug addiction experts who criticize 'safe supply'
Professor says the B.C. provincial government is censoring him
Author of the article: Adam Zivo
Published Jan 02, 2023

One of Canada’s leading experts on drug addiction says British Columbia’s provincial government asked him to delete a crucial database in an attempt to censor criticism of the province’s homeless policies. The incident appears to fit within a larger, nationwide campaign to silence experts who believe that, when it comes to homelessness and drugs, Canadian policy-makers are on the wrong track.

Dr. Julian Somers is a clinical psychologist and distinguished professor at Simon Fraser University, where he directs the Centre for Applied Research in Mental Health and Addiction.

In 2004, Somers established the “Inter-Ministry Evaluation Database” (IMED), which linked data about vulnerable populations across various B.C. ministries — for example: days spent in hospital, detentions and criminal convictions, medications, and income assistance. This helped create detailed pictures of people’s lives, allowing researchers to more accurately measure the impacts of government policies.

Over the years, the database was used in over 30 provincial reports, 60 peer-reviewed publications and several graduate theses.

Somers then used the IMED for his own $20-million research project into anti-poverty programs in Vancouver. The project randomly divided 497 participants into three groups, giving each a different support program. Using the IMED to follow their lives over five years, it concluded that B.C.’s standard approach to homelessness was ineffective.

Tents are seen on the street in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside in a file photo from Aug. 24, 2022. Victims of street crimes perpetrated by encampment inhabitants are revictimized by pro-encampment activists, writes Adam Zivo.
Adam Zivo: Encampment activists callously harass victims of street crime

In B.C., as in much of Canada, the popular approach is to herd homeless people into housing where most, if not all, residents are fresh off the streets, creating a critical mass of trauma and addiction. These residents are then given a “safe supply” of free drugs and provided few resources for recovery and social reintegration......


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sil...on-safe-supply
This province and city are forever on the wrong path, and that's why the drug/addiction situation is getting worse, while politicians, NCOs and other smug but clueless individuals are patting their own back for promoting a so-called "humane" agenda. I suppose the logic is that when more are dead and society broken, we become increasingly "humane". No need for real science, real data or facts.
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Let's see what this so-called "opinion piece" is really about:


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Adam Zivo: The silencing of drug addiction experts who criticize 'safe supply'
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sil...on-safe-supply

Professor says the B.C. provincial government is censoring him

Dr. Julian Somers, seen in a file photo from Vancouver's notorious Downtown Eastside, alleges the provincial government is attempting to silence him because he is critical of its homelessness policies and its supply of opioids to addicts.

One of Canada’s leading experts on drug addiction says British Columbia’s provincial government asked him to delete a crucial database in an attempt to censor criticism of the province’s homeless policies. The incident appears to fit within a larger, nationwide campaign to silence experts who believe that, when it comes to homelessness and drugs, Canadian policy-makers are on the wrong track.

Dr. Julian Somers is a clinical psychologist and distinguished professor at Simon Fraser University, where he directs the Centre for Applied Research in Mental Health and Addiction.

In 2004, Somers established the “Inter-Ministry Evaluation Database” (IMED), which linked data about vulnerable populations across various B.C. ministries — for example: days spent in hospital, detentions and criminal convictions, medications, and income assistance. This helped create detailed pictures of people’s lives, allowing researchers to more accurately measure the impacts of government policies.

Over the years, the database was used in over 30 provincial reports, 60 peer-reviewed publications and several graduate theses.

Somers then used the IMED for his own $20-million research project into anti-poverty programs in Vancouver. The project randomly divided 497 participants into three groups, giving each a different support program. Using the IMED to follow their lives over five years, it concluded that B.C.’s standard approach to homelessness was ineffective.

In B.C., as in much of Canada, the popular approach is to herd homeless people into housing where most, if not all, residents are fresh off the streets, creating a critical mass of trauma and addiction. These residents are then given a “safe supply” of free drugs and provided few resources for recovery and social reintegration.

Somers’ study showed that if you house homeless people in a way that disperses them into normal society, and then prioritize rehabilitation, employment and social reintegration, you see a 70 per cent reduction in crimes committed and a 50 per cent reduction in medical emergencies, all without spending more money.

The study confirmed the common-sense notion that it’s better to empower people to get back on their feet, rather than foster dependency through easy access to free drugs.

In a phone call, Somers contrasted Canada’s approach to that of Portugal. The Portuguese are legendary for effectively tackling addiction while decriminalizing drugs, but many don’t realize that their model focuses heavily on rehabilitation.

“Portugal has 64 therapeutic communities and zero consumption sites. British Columbia has zero therapeutic communities and 40-something consumption sites,” he noted.

Armed with his study results, Somers worked with 14 non-profits to call for reforms to B.C.’s drug and homeless policies. In late February 2021, he presented his findings to several provincial deputy ministers.

A week later, the provincial government sent him a letter demanding that he destroy the IMED within one week. The official explanation was that the database was set to be retired at the end of the month, and that the government was creating its own inter-ministry database that would be broader (i.e. include family and income data) and be more efficient to operate.

Somers found the explanation implausible, and still does.

He says there was no way to reconstruct the IMED’s core data in the new government project. Many people had consented to having their data used only because they participated in projects specifically related to the IMED, such as Somer’s aforementioned homeless study. That consent was non-transferrable.

The abrupt timing also troubled him, especially because the B.C. Ministry of Health had just renewed its commitment to the IMED for another year.

The abrupt timing troubled him

Somers refused to comply. He alleges that the government responded by simply prohibiting him from updating or analyzing the IMED, or using it for new projects, without the province’s written permission. Dr. Somers says this effectively rendered the database worthless.

Somers believes that in the nearly two years since, he has been “completely frozen out” by the B.C. government. He also alleges that he has been subject to an intimidation campaign by safe supply advocates. He provided a copy of a July 2022 email from the British Columbia Centre on Substance Use, which lobbies for safe supply, showing that they lobbied for a conference to disinvite him from a speaking engagement. The BCCSU did not respond to a request for comment.

“This government is actively hostile to the existence of the data, so I’ve completely given up. The work I was doing is no longer viable,” he says.

When emailed about Dr. Somer’s allegations, the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General, which had requested the IMED’s deletion, replied that the deletion request “coincided with the expiration of relevant information sharing agreements between Dr. Somers and the Ministries,” and alluded to the superiority of the provincial government’s new, in-house database.

The Ministry also said that, in January 2022, Dr. Somers was informed that he could have continued access to the IMED until March 2023 to allow “existing projects to conclude” and “select” published findings to be replicated in the new government database.

The Ministry did not respond to my question concerning why the initial IMED deletion request was done so abruptly. The Ministry also did not respond to a direct question about Dr. Somer’s accusation of being “frozen out” of governmental communication, nor did it explain why, ten months after first ordering the deletion of all IMED data, it changed its mind and allowed Dr. Somers conditional access to the database.

Other public health and addiction experts say they are unsurprised at the suggestion that there is political pressure being placed on researchers whose findings are inconvenient for governments.

Dr. Kelly Anthony, a lecturer at the University of Waterloo’s School of Public Health Sciences, called the B.C. government’s abrupt request to delete the IMED “concerning, considering the deeply politicized nature of Dr. Somers’ work.”

She also said she wouldn’t be surprised if Somers was being punished for criticizing the government’s commitment to “safe supply.” Anthony believes safe supply is poorly researched and “consigns the addict to be a slave forever,” but says that in her experience, many academics are uncomfortable publicly criticizing it due to silencing, shunning and political pressure.

This sentiment was echoed by Dr. Vincent Lam, the medical director of Coderix Medical Clinic, an addictions clinic in downtown Toronto. Lam is not familiar with the specifics of Somers work but he has publicly criticized safe supply as irresponsible. He told me that at least 10 of his colleagues have privately messaged him to express similar concerns about the potential harms of flooding communities with free opioids. He said they all, too, shared their discomfort with speaking up in a politicized environment where experts are punished if they ask the wrong questions.

National Post

Goes to show that when authorities here are adamant about their own agenda, they will fake data and information to push their pet projects through. Misguiding the public is nothing new here. No wonder when it comes to the most critical moments, things hardly ever work properly here, and some downright dysfunctional and lots of public funds wasted.
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Goes to show that when authorities here are adamant about their own agenda, they will fake data and information to push their pet projects through. Misguiding the public is nothing new here. No wonder when it comes to the most critical moments, things hardly ever work properly here, and some downright dysfunctional and lots of public funds wasted.
I hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat!
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Anything with "National Post" in the URL can and should be automatically dismissed.
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