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Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 2:09 AM
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So is it down yet? I walked by around 2:30 and it was still up.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 2:47 AM
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The building may be in terrible condition, but I doubt it will come down that easily. For all we know, it could stand for another 20 years. Good luck finding an engineer who would not recommend demolition. No inspector in their right mind would want to be held responsible if it did actually fall down and kill somebody.
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The end of the Century
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January 12, 2010
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The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/703323

The historic Century Theatre officially has no future.

The city's chief building official issued an order late yesterday afternoon requiring the owners to demolish the historic building.

Under the company Lyric Century Apartments Inc., owner Zoran Cocov must mobilize a demolition crew immediately, said John Spolnik, director of city building services.

Work is expected to begin as early as today.

Because the building is unstable, it will likely take weeks to demolish, Spolnik said. He recommends crews work from the north end of the building and use "cherry-picking equipment" to pull it apart piece by piece.

Cocov had hoped to save the facade of the building, which had a heritage designation, for his pending 59-unit condominium development at the Mary Street site.

But an engineering report presented to the city yesterday found that stabilizing the facade would take more time than the city is allowing. The report was required by the city after it issued an order last week that the building wasn't safe.

If there are any historical elements identified by the city, including the sign, Cocov said crews will be instructed to save them during the pending demolition.

Since word got out that the building was in jeopardy, many Hamiltonians -- including Councillor Bob Bratina, members of the arts community and downtown property owners -- have accused the city and Cocov of "demolition by neglect."

But Cocov says there is more to the story, noting the building had already been vacant for 10 years when he purchased it.

From the outside, it may look as if nothing has happened since the building was purchased, he said. But Cocov contends he has been working to secure funding and multiple permits and to keep up with changing bylaws.

He pointed specifically to a 2005 bylaw re-zoning the downtown that included a requirement to have one parking space per condo unit.

"It's not as simple as people think," he said, citing his years of effort and money spent.

Lyric Century Apartments Inc. purchased the building in an auction for $148,000 in the summer of 2000. The previous owners, John Cameron and John Johnstone, purchased it for $500,000 in 1990. Cocov also purchased a neighbouring alleyway in 2005 for $22,500.

Cocov works as a sales representative for iPro Realty in Mississauga and says he has worked on about a dozen development projects.

He said his forte is sustainability, including redeveloping old buildings, but the Century Theatre was his first heritage property.

Other ongoing projects include Zoral Investments with properties in Simcoe and Cambridge, Harmony Green Condos in Oshawa, and Toronto-based Cross-Link Bridge Corp.

Cocov contends the Mary Street condo project can only move forward with the city's downtown loans program incentives. The project was previously approved for some funding to be issued upon 60 per cent completion, but the approval has lapsed.

Incentives are necessary because it costs as much to build in Hamilton as in Toronto, but the rewards aren't as lucrative because condos sell for a lot less here, Cocov said.

During a council meeting yesterday, Councillor Chad Collins asked whether loan recipients who don't keep up their property standards are penalized.

Staff said they aren't, prompting Collins to request a report on whether the city should "reward people who have let their properties deteriorate."

Mayor Fred Eisenberger requested a report on the state of the city's demolition-by-neglect bylaw.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 2:31 PM
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Lyric Century Apartments Inc. purchased the building in an auction for $148,000 in the summer of 2000. The previous owners, John Cameron and John Johnstone, purchased it for $500,000 in 1990. Cocov also purchased a neighbouring alleyway in 2005 for $22,500.
Do those rock-bottom numbers give heritage fans pause, or make them think of how downtown history might have been different if an artist's collective bought and restored a building like this (or the Lister, for that matter)? Or if Delta Bingo czar John Johnstone had held onto the property?
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 7:49 PM
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It doesn't serve Bratina well to start complaining now. Must be an election year.

This building (like many other crumbling ones) is in his riding. He needs to be aware of these things, yet he chooses to blame city staff. Bob, I know you're reading this. You need to be more proactive in situations like these.

It's your job. If you're not up to it, step aside and let someone else do it.

I'm just so tired of the collective incompetence of our elected councilors.
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Roof brought the curtain down
Razing delayed until next week

January 13, 2010
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http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/703952

It appears the fate of the soon to be demolished Century Theatre hinged on its crumbling roof.

It began to collapse around 2000, according to past and present owners. In the years since, the roof has further deteriorated, exposing the floors below.

Yet the city was not officially notified until last Thursday, the city's chief building official John Spolnik said last week.

This, despite the fact the building's facade was designated heritage and the developer was in line to receive more than $1.8 million from the Hamilton Downtown Residential Loan Program.

Staff visit properties for the downtown incentive programs, which only pays out at 60 per cent building completion, said city spokesperson Debbie Spence. Property standards data is also obtained for zoning verification.

However, last week Councillor Bob Bratina said the property standards bylaw for proactive inspections seems to have holes when it comes to roof inspections.

The city learned of the crumbling roof and floors in an independent engineer's report submitted to the city last week, Spolnik said. This led to the demolition order.

Owner Zoran Cocov said yesterday he is working out a contract with a demolition crew. Because of Ministry of Labour approval, work is now expected to begin next week.

Cocov and his business partner purchased the building in 2000 for a condo development project and created Lyric Century Apartments Inc. He planned to save the facade, but safety concerns killed that dream.

Cocov said the roof was partially collapsed when he took ownership of the building. He thought the roof's condition was common knowledge among city staff.

"I think everyone was aware," Cocov said.

The building was previously owned by John Cameron and John Johnstone.

"It was very, very rough," Johnstone said of the state of the building when they bought it in 1990.

But he said the roof began to collapse shortly after Cocov took over ownership of the building in 2000.

The Johnstone and Cameron plan was to develop apartments, but it proved too costly because of the state of the building.

Despite selling for $148,000, when the building was purchased for $500,000 in 1990, Johnstone said he was thrilled when the property was taken off his hands.

The Hamilton Municipal Heritage Committee had no knowledge of the collapsed roof, said its chairperson Art French.

However, usually only the outside of a building is inspected, along with documents outlining the building's history.

It is unclear whether knowledge of the collapsed roof would have affected heritage designation, French said.

It is clear from websites and a Facebook group devoted to the Century Theatre that some community members were aware of the collapsed roof. Photographs from people inside the property are displayed and people have posted comments that they knew for at least five years.

Former Century Theatre employee Rich Parkinson, who is one of the more than 850 members of the Facebook group, questioned why nobody contacted the city.

He started working at the theatre in 1986, when he was 19, and was one of about 10 employees left when the theatre closed in 1989.

Despite the building's grand history, Parkinson said it had already greatly declined when it closed.

He still remembers almost every detail of the theatre's layout. When the Lyric Theatre, circa 1913, was transformed into the Century Theatre to show films in the 1940s, the front of the stage was bricked up and covered with the movie screen.

But the brick wall did not reach the height of the ceiling, Parkinson said, adding that he and others would walk along its top.

They could see the Lyric stage, where the Marx Brothers once performed. He would climb up some rickety stairs to where lights and backdrops were controlled. Carved on the wall were workers' names and dates from the 1920s.

When the theatre closed he grabbed some old Lyric Theatre tickets and metal marquee letters. He now wishes he grabbed more, especially because the theatre is where he met his wife, Angela.

Mary Gushie also met her spouse while working at the Century, as an usherette and popcorn girl in 1950.

She remembers seeing Mike Gushie, the new assistant manager, for the first time in the lobby.

They got married when he was 21 and she was just shy of her 16th birthday. They were married for 57 years when Mike died in 2008.

"I loved to work there," Gushie said.
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I don't think it's fair to try to portray Bratina as a come-by-lately advocate for improving the abandoned building situation in Hamilton. He has been a critic of those who demolish by neglect since the start of his tenure at city hall, election year or not. It probably would be helpful if more on council shared his interest in reversing Hamilton's tendency to allow buildings to be neglected to the point of collapse.

As far as the old Lyric goes specifically, it is sad to see it come to this. The warnings have been posted here by matt602 for years. The building was destined to be demolished long before this collapse. It is a shame that the original plan to save the facade for the new condo building looks to be no longer possible.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 2:51 PM
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What are the odds a new condo development will actually go here? I'm thinking the building will be demolished and then be an empty lot for years.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 6:43 PM
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What are the odds a new condo development will actually go here? I'm thinking the building will be demolished and then be an empty lot for years.
This is almost certain. An empty lot isn't much easier to develop than an abandoned building when taking into account the current economical situation and the location. If the developer hasn't secured any kind of financing in 10 years, he's not going to magically make it happen once the building gets knocked over.
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and Cocov will make money by turning into a parking lot
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I thought they couldn't do that anymore. Didn't the guy who tore down HMP just get fined and have his lot barricaded? Sure... it took a year, but still...
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HMP was torn down with the promise of building a hotel.

Cocov;s building fell down. I bet money it will be an operating parking lot.
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Re: 'Our fading gems' (Jan. 11)

Like most Hamiltonians, I was disappointed to see the front-page photo of the doomed Century Theatre.

However I was even more upset to read in the cutline: "heritage lovers against developers."

This is an unfair and misleading statement. There are indeed developers and property owners in Hamilton who do care about old buildings. Liuna Station is quite magnificent, David Blanchard has restored several downtown landmarks, and in my case, so far, the Stinson School Lofts.

Throughout the city, the restoration efforts of many individuals and businesses remind us of the city's rather grand architectural heritage.

Having said that, the Century Theatre's demise sends an important message. We are indeed losing important buildings through neglected maintenance, and this should not be tolerated.

In the city of Chicago -- in a country that worships personal rights and tolerates gun-toting -- the mayor has the arbitrary right to seize and restore derelict properties. It is not simply an aesthetic issue; unused properties = minimal property taxes (often unpaid) = higher taxes for the rest of us, as well as reinforcing the sad image of downtown Hamilton.

Instead of wasting time and energy in yet another futile exercise of simplistic finger-pointing, let's collectively agree to set high standards for property ownership and, going forward, respect and enforce them.

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Re: 'Our fading gems' (Jan. 11)

Like most Hamiltonians, I was disappointed to see the front-page photo of the doomed Century Theatre.

However I was even more upset to read in the cutline: "heritage lovers against developers."

This is an unfair and misleading statement. There are indeed developers and property owners in Hamilton who do care about old buildings. Liuna Station is quite magnificent, David Blanchard has restored several downtown landmarks, and in my case, so far, the Stinson School Lofts.

Throughout the city, the restoration efforts of many individuals and businesses remind us of the city's rather grand architectural heritage.

Having said that, the Century Theatre's demise sends an important message. We are indeed losing important buildings through neglected maintenance, and this should not be tolerated.

In the city of Chicago -- in a country that worships personal rights and tolerates gun-toting -- the mayor has the arbitrary right to seize and restore derelict properties. It is not simply an aesthetic issue; unused properties = minimal property taxes (often unpaid) = higher taxes for the rest of us, as well as reinforcing the sad image of downtown Hamilton.

Instead of wasting time and energy in yet another futile exercise of simplistic finger-pointing, let's collectively agree to set high standards for property ownership and, going forward, respect and enforce them.

- Harry Stinson
nice Harry ... nice
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nice Harry ... nice
He's a classy guy. Would like to meet him some day.
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Matt Jelly is starting up the "By-law Crawl" In response to this all.

http://stillepost.ca/boards/index.php?topic=133289.0
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Matt Jelly is starting up the "By-law Crawl" In response to this all.

http://stillepost.ca/boards/index.php?topic=133289.0
Wow. It's reading stuff like this that really makes me wish I was living in Hamilton -- because there are passionate citizens with good ideas, willing to do things to make change happen.
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Cable 14! Panel on Bylaws and Lyric:

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i saw about half of that on Cable 14 yesterday... it was a pretty good one. i think i'll be by-law crawling
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i think i'll be by-law crawling
moi aussi.
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