City Murder Rates

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

Probably says more about anomalous trends in NYC

It's somewhat concerning on the Canadian side actually, though many (maybe most) people seem to have a "what me worry?" attitude about it.

[suburbanite]

Probably making more headlines because of the high-profile nature of a lot of the incidents this year. Still very alarming to see such an increase in what appears to be mostly gang-related violence in the core neighbourhoods.

[lextown]

Saskatoon is at 6.

[Jonesy55]

Update on the NYC vs London homicide situation which hit the headlines earlier this year when London had more homicides than NYC for the first time in February (both jurisdictions have a population just under 9m).

Since then it seems normal service has been resumed with NYC registering more homicides than London in every month since February.

[lextown]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

Update on the NYC vs London homicide situation which hit the headlines earlier this year when London had more homicides than NYC for the first time in February (both jurisdictions have a population just under 9m).

Since then it seems normal service has been resumed with NYC registering more homicides than London in every month since February.

London has like 138 more square miles. That probably helps the crime rate a little for London.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Those are absolute numbers though, not rates

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Those are absolute numbers though, not rates

The populations are very similar though.

London 2017 population estimate 8,825,001
NYC 2017 population estimate 8,622,698

[softee]

Toronto is at 55.

[softee]

The GTA city of Brampton (pop. 600,000) is at 11.

[lextown]

PplEastern Kentucky so far that I have counted.

Whitley County KY is at 5. Also had 1 police involved shooting death.

Johnson County KY is at 5. Also has 1 police involved shooting death.

Martin County KY is at 3.

Lee County KY is at 3.

Laurel County KY is at 4. Also has 1 police involved shooting death.

Jackson County KY is at 2.

Pike County has 2.

Knox County KY is at 2.

Floyd County KY is at 1.

Letcher County KY is at 2.

Elliot County KY is at 2.

Clay County KY is at 1.

Montgomery County KY is at 1.

Letcher County KY is at 1.

Perry County KY is at 1.

Carter County KY Is at 1.

Eastern KY Prisons have 1.

Harlan County KY has 1 police involved shooting death.

[softee]

Toronto is at 58.

[Yuri]

Violence in Brazil

It's in Portuguese, but the chart is very intuitive and most words are cognate:





Source: http://www.forumseguranca.org.br

[mousquet]

As expected, São Paulo's area is the safest, as the wealthiest, most advanced and most globalized.

What kind of conclusion would you draw from the higher murder rate by Black people?
You'd better think before speaking....
Racism. Exclusion. There's no other reason for that.

French Guiana also has the highest crime rate of all regions in France.
I went over there and was even worried for myself over some areas. They are worse than the roughest Paris suburbs.
Even Marseille is safer.

That is hugely caused by wild gold panning out there, which pollutes local rivers as well.
Also drugs and some relative abandonment by the French welfare state.

[Sun Belt]

Chicago:
20 shot last night.

And about 74 people were shot last weekend between 3 p.m. Friday and 6 a.m. Monday, 12 of them fatally.

Going on 1,900 gunshot victims this year and that is lower than the previous two years, but higher than 2012-2015.


That is crazy.

[Doady]

I can't help but wonder what percentage of all these murders were committed by males, and how many of the victims were males. That might be the root of the problem right there.

[Djesus777]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Chicago:
20 shot last night.

And about 74 people were shot last weekend between 3 p.m. Friday and 6 a.m. Monday, 12 of them fatally.

Going on 1,900 gunshot victims this year and that is lower than the previous two years, but higher than 2012-2015.


That is crazy.

Honestly, it's sad that this is going on and nothing is being done to solve it. Instead of people finding solutions, it's either lack of action or people make it a race thing and blame the violence on whites and also cops. I sincerely hope that they find a solution there ASAP because this **** is ridiculous.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by mousquet

As expected, São Paulo's area is the safest, as the wealthiest, most advanced and most globalized.

In the late 1990's, São Paulo state murder rate was above 40/100,000 (in the city 50/100,000). Now, it's on 10/100,000 (8/100,000 in the city).

Criminal legislation is a federal matter in Brazil, but the state invested heavily on the police, which brought results despite the soft criminal law we have in place.

The country as a whole went in an opposite direction: from 23/100,000 to 27/100,000 today.

Originally Posted by mousquet

What kind of conclusion would you draw from the higher murder rate by Black people?
You'd better think before speaking....
Racism. Exclusion. There's no other reason for that.

Keep in mind the use "Negro" here to refer to Mixed+Black (45%+8% of country's population).

The large majority of murders in Brazil is criminals killing other criminals and as Mixed/Black are the poorer, they are much more likely to suffer and commit murder. Racism doesn't play a role.

Originally Posted by Doady

I can't help but wonder what percentage of all these murders were committed by males, and how many of the victims were males. That might be the root of the problem right there.

Most murders are criminals killing other criminals and they happen to be males.

Said that, the number of females killed are still quite high: 4,000/year of which 1,000 is regarded as "feminicídio", a new concept in Brazilian law to refer to victims of domestic violence that led to death.

[Yuri]

On the superior left of the chart:

--- 63,880 violent deaths, which means 30.8 deaths/100,000 inh.;

--- Out of those, 55,900 are qualified as homicides;

--- 2,460 are "latrocínios" (robbery followed by murder). That's the most terrifying crime in Brazil as it affects "regular citizens";

--- 367 police officers died and 5,144 people were killed in policial interventions.

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

The large majority of murders in Brazil is criminals killing other criminals and as Mixed/Black are the poorer, they are much more likely to suffer and commit murder. Racism doesn't play a role.

Uh yeah, just like rival gangsters kill each other.
Of course White people are usually safer, unless some unlucky encounter.

My point was upward social mobility is the basic key to hold back violent crime.
How many Black top executives can you see in buisness around you?
That's an indicator, a flag to begin with.

Legal opportunities must be open to the Blacks and métis too. And that's where there's definitely racism.
That takes a fair, subsidized education system, free from corruption, and much patience.
The process takes a long long time. But it's the only right way to go.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by mousquet

Uh yeah, just like rival gangsters kill each other.
Of course White people are usually safer, unless some unlucky encounter.

There are plenty of poor White people in Brazil. In South, Whites are almost 85% of population, and they are the majority even amongst the poorer.

Originally Posted by mousquet

My point was upward social mobility is the basic key to hold back violent crime.
How many Black top executives can you see in buisness around you?
That's an indicator, a flag to begin with.

If we call Mixed people "Black", then quite a feel. For obvious reasons, as in any former colonial society, Whites will be better off.

It's not about racism, but for historical reasons. Race in Brazil is very fluid, so there is not those rigid racial barriers you see in racialist societies like the US ou South Africa.

Originally Posted by mousquet

Legal opportunities must be open to the Blacks and métis too. And that's where there's definitely racism.
That takes a fair, subsidized education system, free from corruption, and much patience.
The process takes a long long time. But it's the only right way to go.

Brazil spends tons of money on education. It's one of the highest shares in the world compared to GDP. Throw money on things won't solve the problem magically.

Social problems take long time to be solved. In fact, only with consistent strong economic growth they will go away. For that, Brazil needs to have a sane budget, cut down the bureaucracy and become a more friendlier place for businesses, and therefore creating more jobs.

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But back to violence, on the end of day, improve law enforcement, police, things will be much better. Just look to São Paulo: from 40/100,000 to 10/100,000 within 15 years, without any deep transformation on society.

If Brazil reform its criminal laws (a murderer shouldn't be freed after 2 years in prison), things will be much better. People are really fed up.