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Moreso than ever, US becoming a nation of immigrants

438 million in 2050!!!

In 2020, 1 in 7 People in U.S. May Be Foreign-Born

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By SAM ROBERTS
Published: February 11, 2008

If present trends continue, within two decades the proportion of immigrants in the United States will surpass the peak reached more than a century ago, a new analysis concludes.

The Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan research group, estimates that sometime between 2020 and 2025, the foreign-born will account for 15 percent of the American population, or more than 1 in 7 residents. They represented about 12 percent of the population in 2005, 14.7 percent in 1910 and about 15 percent in the late 19th century.

Trends farther ahead are typically harder to predict. Still, the Pew Center projects that in 2050, 19 percent of Americans will be foreign-born; that the share of Hispanic residents will more than double to 29 percent from 14 percent in 2005; and that the proportion of Asians will almost double, from 5 percent to 9 percent.

The center estimates that the total population will grow to 438 million in 2050, with immigrants accounting for 82 percent, or 117 million, of the increase. But because births in the United States to Hispanic and Asian immigrant parents will play a progressively greater role in population growth, according to the analysis, by 2050 a smaller proportion of both groups will be foreign born in than is the case today.

The native-born Hispanic population, already about 60 percent of all Hispanic residents, would rise to 67 percent in 2050. In 2005, about 58 percent of Asians were foreign born, but by 2050, only 47 percent would be.

The analysis, by Jeffrey S. Passel and D’Vera Cohn, projects a higher rate of immigration than a number of federal agencies do. But it concludes, as the federal agencies have, that the share of blacks in the population will remain roughly steady — about 13 percent in 2050, compared with 12 percent in 2005 — while the proportion of non-Hispanic whites will shrink below half the population, to 47 percent.

Because the vast wave of baby boomers will be joining the ranks of the elderly, the number of young and elderly compared to the number of working people — the so-called dependency ratio — would rise to 72 per 100 in 2050, compared with 59 per 100 in 2005. The ratio would be even higher in the future, according to the projections, if the rate of immigration slows.

The authors caution that their projections are subject to changes in behavior, legislation and other events, but that they “offer a starting point for understanding and analyzing the parameters of future demographic change.”
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Good Lord.
I wonder how many will be Chinese or Hispanic?
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god forbid the USA becomes a country of immigrants.... i mean where did all these white people come from???? i tell you if we dont stop these boats these white people will just keep coming and coming and coming from europe. and where would all the NATIVE americans and latins go??? you know the people that this land belong to before the white man came..... AND SLAUTERED!!!


and for the record i'm not racist and i am married to a white man!!! just cant stand the typical white american thinking this is their land and it never was...
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I think that having immigrants is a good sign that the nation is doing well. If it werent than people wouldnt want to come. Just look at Dubai, its immigrant population accounts for 90% or more of the entire population and thats because the city is progressing so much. All great empires and nations have either attracted immigrants or themselves conquered people to be part of the population. I couldnt (or wouldnt want to) imagine a United States without people wanting to come here. When that day comes, you can be sure that we wont be the most powerful nation on earth.
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I think that having immigrants is a good sign that the nation is doing well. If it werent than people wouldnt want to come. Just look at Dubai, its immigrant population accounts for 90% or more of the entire population and thats because the city is progressing so much. All great empires and nations have either attracted immigrants or themselves conquered people to be part of the population. I couldnt (or wouldnt want to) imagine a United States without people wanting to come here. When that day comes, you can be sure that we wont be the most powerful nation on earth.
True; due to the slumping value of the Dollar, i'm sure more foreigners will reside in America.
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god forbid the USA becomes a country of immigrants.... i mean where did all these white people come from???? i tell you if we dont stop these boats these white people will just keep coming and coming and coming from europe. and where would all the NATIVE americans and latins go??? you know the people that this land belong to before the white man came..... AND SLAUTERED!!!


and for the record i'm not racist and i am married to a white man!!! just cant stand the typical white american thinking this is their land and it never was...
Don't worry, I understand what you mean.

In fact, there were as many as 33 million Native Americans ALREADY taking residence in North America before the settlers from Europe arrived.
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Don't worry, I understand what you mean.

In fact, there were as many as 33 million Native Americans ALREADY taking residence in North America before the settlers from Europe arrived.
And how many Native Americans where there after the settlement?
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Currently, there are nearly 2,786,652 living here. But those Census numbers are from 2003; so it may have topped 3,000,000 already.
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Geez... Where do I start??

No! I don't consider you a racist, but I honestly believe your comments are very unfair. First of all, I was born here!! So yes, I believe this country is just as much mine as anybody elses. Second of all, yes this country had a dark past. However, I had nothing to do with it, and neither did anybody else who is living here today. So trying to make everybody feel guilty over something they can't change is wrong also. Third, I welcome anyone into this country who wants to make a better life for themselves and their families in a legal fashion And I'm talking about people from Latin America, East Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, and Oceania. What I don't want to see is our irresponsible government to open the borders and tell everybody "come on in" and watch our country grow so fast that our economy tanks. It could very well happen, and people who think the economy can handle it will have the surprise coming.

No. I'm not a racist either. So think about it VERY HARD before you come in and attack me for my above comments.
You are 100% correct on what you said... however the only thing is how hyprotical is this country telling other people not to do what their ancesters did themselves to have better lives.... If it wasnt for them coming here invading this land none of you guys will be here today. also it is a fact that nearly most off all europeans that came to north america came here illegally. so why was it ok for the europeans to come when they did as suppose to the latins coming now........
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In actually, most people who came to this country over the last century and a half did so because there were few or different restrictions on immigration at the time. Many people still had to go through checkpoints before entering such as Ellis Island.

And that somehow makes their illegal invasion of this country okay?

It was less restricted about 100 years ago because of the abundence of farm jobs before modern equipment took their place. Yet in the early 20s' there were restrictions put on immigration that were directed at Europeans.

It wasnt restricted because the immigrants were white western europeans, the first immigration restrictions were the response to eastern and southern european (and irish) immigration skyrocketing which made the original immigrants unhappy. Many of the scare tactics used to demean these new european immigrants are the same used today on illegal aliens, i.e: they are dirty, bring diseases, take jobs, wont assimilate, are unskilled and poor, have high rates of criminal activity, etc...

Don't forget the Mexican Revolution, when over a million Mexicans were allowed into the country. Many chose to return home after the war.

What is the point of noting this? That somehow letting in refugees from a huge war next door is akin to allowing dozens of million sof illegal immigrants to enter this country with no restrictions? That some how this makes it okay to discriminate against illegals today because they came from the same country we let refugees in almost a century ago. Didnt you also note that folks shouldnt pay for things that occurred before their time, what relevance does mexican revolution refugees have to do with immigration from mexico today? none. Another BIG factor was those refugees from mexico in the early 1900s blended into an already large and existing community of mexicans who made up the majority of the southwest, the european immigrants killed the existing natives when they moved in.


Still, despite the lack of restrictions, many people that came through during the last century also passed through with the intent of leaving their old country behind, learning and respecting the laws of this one, learning the language and not expecting the government to bow down to their demands.
Today, it's a much different scenario.


Beginning of inaccurate absurdity. Illegal immigrants in the states today have THE lowest crime rate of any demographic. Furthermore, living in the largest concentration of illegal immigrants in the country (while coming from a family of legal residents)- Los Angeles' eastside, having grown up around them and now married to someone who has illegal family (yet his own is legal and been here for centuries) and basically living in Latino culture around a lot of illegals, I can assure you that those kind of stereotypes you just noted are FLAT OUT WRONG for 99% of illegal immigrants. Numerous credible studies have shown latino illegals lose their mothertongue within one generation, and that an overwhelming majority of illegals learn english. If you dont believ me go to any barrio and look at how many private english lesson programs there are, and how they're all stuffed. One large march for peoples' basic civil rights is not wanting the govt to "bow down", it is an action to raise awareness of who they are to the rest of america and empower a community that is oftentimes silent despite being attacked. Some of the most proud americans I have met in my lifetime are illegal immigrants (most often getting their citizenship when possible), some of the most productive people in my community are illegal. Those last assertions you made are wrong and flat out lies, hannity and colmes are not a good source for info on illegals, in fact any rich white conservative is a bad resource to learn about illegals. that kind of BS is what comes fromt hat crowd, get better educated onthe subject or actually interact with the community if you such large concerns. I do, and that is why I KNOW those kind of assertions are incorrect.

While I agree that most illegal immigrants, are only wanting to make a better life for themselves
Wrong again, ALL of them do, that's why they come to a country with a higher standard of living than theirs. who the heck do you think comes here for any other reason?

Many are refusing to assimilate

Wrong, note my prior comments, and how this kind of myth has been used to attack immigrants since the immigration process was started. Numerous credible studies have concluded the exact opposite of what you say: that illegals assimilate and their kids lose their home language rather quickly. having pride in your culture and where you come from is not refusing to assimilate, you CAN be proud to live in the US and be from another country.
demanding rights
How dare they ask for rights in a country founded on civil rights! The nerve of them to come here instead of starving and then expect to be treated like everybody else. How dare they see hypocrisy in the ancestors of illegal immigrants attacking them for coming here illegally!

not paying taxes like you and me!

Illegal immigrants pay taxes, they pay sales tax, property taxes and have their wages taxed like everyone else. Our social security system is currently propped up by uncollected back taxes from illegals. Every time they send money home or use a long distance phone card they pay a ridiculous percentage on taxes. Please stop believing lies, states like CA and TX have concluded that illegals pay more in taxes than they use in soical services, look it up.

Expecting us to learn their language instead of the other way around.
Another stupid lie. See my prior responses, and the fact that those who dont learn english are screwing themselves more than anyone else. I live in the largest enclave of latinos and illegals inthe nation, and it is rare to be somewhere where nobody speaks english. Although I do agree that immigrants should learn english, thats common sense. A study refuting your assertion about language was posted on this forum a while back.

Many of them are involved in criminal activity ( try being a victim of a hit and run accident or identity theft if you don't believe me.) Much of the illegal drug trade comes from Mexico.

Again with the lies. illegals have the lowest crime rate amongst any other demographic in the US, look it up, it was even a topic on this board. And how does the source of our drugs mkae an entire ethnicity guilt of being criminal? So I guess that because most child molesters are white then all anglos should be treated as sickos too? a lot of our pot comes from Canada so whites must also be lazy stoners.


We also have to worry about national security since both our borders in the south and the north are weak.
Another joke. Our border to mexico is controlled by wealthy cartels, whose members are a fraction of the actual community might i add, very tightly because it is their cash cow. Do you honestly think they'd be dumb enough to incur the wrath of our nation on the major means of them making money/ Millions of folks and tons of drugs have been smuggled here annually, not one smidgeon of evidence that anything that can harm our national security has come through these conduits. In fact, when a salvadorena gang was accused of talking to terrorists the mexican mafia put an all out green light on them (all other gangs can kill them with impugnity) for possibly harming their lucrative trade.

As I said in my previous post I welcome anyone from anywhere to come here to better their lives.
No you dont, if you did you would not spread such horrible lies about a people you seem to know little about.

Just do it legally.

You really know little on the subject or people you are casting judgement on. it is virtually impossible for the average destitute mexican to go through the formal immigration process into this country. Much of it has to do with our skewed quotas (toward rich white places) and the fact that it takes over a decade and costs around $10,000 to do. Of course it is easy for a middle calss white american to make such absurd accusations because you will never know how virtually impossible it is to become a legal citizen for most mexicans. Your ancestors came here illegally, why dont you try and get them their citizenship if it is such a no brainer, otherwise you are the spawn of anchor babies.

Sorry to be so rough, but its the truth, and such horrible lies can be damaging to REAL PEOPLE.
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What I don't want to see is our irresponsible government to open the borders and tell everybody "come on in" and watch our country grow so fast that our economy tanks. It could very well happen, and people who think the economy can handle it will have the surprise coming.
I'm not attacking you(in fact I think what he said was stupid); but look at China and India. The primary reason why they're economies are accelerating is because of one simple thing..........labor. I mean, look at gas prices. Alot of it is because of those asian countries have just too many Chinese and Indian residents.

Those markets WILL continue to double and double and double until they're ratio of poverty and and middle-class is on par with America.

With a larger population (especially foreign-born), it's true that there will be short-term contraction in the economy, however the potential size and influence will be enormous.
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My take on India and China is this. I agree that both countries are growing economicaly. China is doing much better than it was 10 years ago. India is still far behind with a 27% unemployment rate. I'm not sure how long it will take before it's on par with the United States. The thing that is tough to swallow, is that our manufacturing base has taken several big blows over the years. It's hard to buy anything at a store anymore that's NOT made in China, or southeast Asia. It's certainly not their fault. I blame the American companies for doing that. And NAFTA of course. We need our manufacturing base. I think it would go much further than the service industry. Especially if those reports are accurate that the US will be at 438 Million by 2050.
Why do you blame NAFTA? It is China, India and other countries that are not even part of it that are taking our jobs. Mexico and Canada are having the same problems we are having, they are losing jobs overseas. If all these jobs were suppostly going to Mexico then we wouldnt have an immigration problem because they would have so many jobs that companies would be raising thier wages to compete for labor.
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My take on India and China is this. I agree that both countries are growing economicaly. China is doing much better than it was 10 years ago. India is still far behind with a 27% unemployment rate. I'm not sure how long it will take before it's on par with the United States. The thing that is tough to swallow, is that our manufacturing base has taken several big blows over the years. It's hard to buy anything at a store anymore that's NOT made in China, or southeast Asia. It's certainly not their fault. I blame the American companies for doing that. And NAFTA of course. We need our manufacturing base. I think it would go much further than the service industry. Especially if those reports are accurate that the US will be at 438 Million by 2050.
Actually, the US has lost less manufacturing jobs, as a proportion, than many other western countries, including the UK, France, and Germany. Since 1990, I believe.

Also, manufacturing output has risen year after year, meaning that many of the manufacturing jobs are being replaced by machines/technology, and not China.
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Thank you!! This country has always been an Immigrant state.


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god forbid the USA becomes a country of immigrants.... i mean where did all these white people come from???? i tell you if we dont stop these boats these white people will just keep coming and coming and coming from europe. and where would all the NATIVE americans and latins go??? you know the people that this land belong to before the white man came..... AND SLAUTERED!!!


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What do you blame NAFTA for?
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