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Old Posted Dec 11, 2011, 7:20 PM
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I guess that the principle source of tension is that some of the "niches" that Moncton (successfully) has chosen to focus on, such as concerts, entertainment, sports tourism, sporting events and retailing are high profile to the general populace and are areas of endeavour that Halifax feels should belong to them rather exclusively.
This is an overly flattering interpretation. I don't know anybody in Halifax who is jealous of Moncton or feels entitled to more than whatever is built to Moncton. The real sentiment is that, because Moncton is so much smaller, failed attempts to build similar facilities in Halifax are a pathetic sign of incompetence. This is certainly true when it comes to the perennially bungled stadium issue.

Had the Commonwealth Games bid been handled correctly years ago we would not even be talking about this today. Sadly, HRM regional council is incredibly short-sighted and opportunistic. They pick up or cancel plans at the drop of a hat. They're back on the stadium/FIFA bandwagon now but if it doesn't look good they could easily let this whole issue go back to square one. In another couple years when some other event comes along they'll scramble again to plan in time. If there were more focus there would be more success and less waste.
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Had the Commonwealth Games bid been handled correctly years ago we would not even be talking about this today.
That statement means so much. It's impossible to argue the benefits it would have brought. FIFA's decision would be simple. Brand new world class stadium just built in Halifax. We gotta go there! Sadly that isn't case. We'll never know of course but something to think about. Any costs left to HRM for the 2014 games would probably be regained during the 2015 FIFA games.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2011, 12:54 AM
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That statement means so much. It's impossible to argue the benefits it would have brought. FIFA's decision would be simple. Brand new world class stadium just built in Halifax. We gotta go there! Sadly that isn't case. We'll never know of course but something to think about. Any costs left to HRM for the 2014 games would probably be regained during the 2015 FIFA games.
Well, and had the bid been handled correctly the costs could have been managed. The correct way to do that was to come up with a certain scope of bid, present that to the CWG decision makers, and then either get the games or not. If the CWG people say they need host cities to spend billions then you don't want to host and you just walk away, no harm, no foul.

After the bid there was another big failure -- everybody let it drop because it was seen as politically undesirable to be associated with the bid. Instead, council should have used the planning and momentum from the bid to continue at least a scaled-down stadium development. That could have resulted in proper planning being completed ahead of time for something like FIFA.

None of this really has anything to do with Moncton or chasing a largely meaningless "entertainment capital" title. The desire for a stadium exists because Halifax needs a stadium (Uteck Bowl had to move away etc.) and can afford one. Incompetent local government is why the stadium has yet to materialize.
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Yes. This is blunty honest. More influential is perhaps the vocabulary I'd use.

Geographically, I wonder how Haligonians (and the media, for that matter) would behave if Quebec City were much closer.
I know this is not the exact question, but I find Halifax gets a lot more national media attention than Hamilton or Quebec City (in English anyway for this one), even though the latter two are each much larger than Halifax - maybe close double its size. Winnipeg is the same size as Hamilton and Quebec City, but gets a lot more national media attention than the other two.

(Quebec City of course gets lots of attention in the national francophone media.)
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Im guessing its because both Hamilton and Quebec City are second to larger cities, like Hamilton might get lost within Toronto news and Quebec in Montreal

Halifax and Winnipeg on the other hand are the largest cities in their respective regions which would most likely subliminally play into national attention .
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People on this forum love to compare numbers. I think this tendency has evolved to the point where people expect a rigid pecking order of cities based on populations. Population numbers are convenient but not a great model for how the world works. It looks like Zurich only has about as many people as Halifax, for example, but it is more important and better known. Some larger cities with 1 million people or more have almost no local culture and are not interesting so they don't get much attention. The same thing goes for countries -- consider the global impact of the UK vs. Bangladesh.

The smaller Ontario cities, Hamilton included, don't have as much going on culturally as some other Canadian cities with less population. For Canada, Halifax has a disproportionate amount of stuff going on. It is disproportionately important because it is a transportation hub (3rd largest port, 7th largest airport) and a capital (formally for NS and informally for the Maritimes -- it has the bigger regional-level hospitals, university, etc.). It also has more history than any other mostly English-speaking city in the country.

Quebec City is great but seems to suffer from the same penalty as Montreal in the English-language media. Quebec is treated as a weird hybrid of a Canadian province and a foreign country, and a lot of stuff there just doesn't register with English Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of people here in Vancouver think this is the second largest city in Canada. I would not expect many people at all to list Quebec City as a "major" Canadian city.
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Im guessing its because both Hamilton and Quebec City are second to larger cities, like Hamilton might get lost within Toronto news and Quebec in Montreal

Halifax and Winnipeg on the other hand are the largest cities in their respective regions which would most likely subliminally play into national attention .
Quebec City is overshadowed by Montreal in the French media but it is far from ignored. It is more like Toronto and Ottawa in the English media.

Quebec City is largely ignored by the English media because it is a 99 percent francophone city. The anglo media pay some attention to Montreal because there are more anglos there. For most of the anglo media in Canada the province of Quebec equals Montreal. Just look at the weather report on any national newscast and Montreal is the only city in the province they will name.
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