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Old Posted Nov 5, 2007, 4:43 PM
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Thanks for the update, waterloo warrior... that's one I'd really like to see get built. Guess we'll have to wait until March.
here's the staff report btw...
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...E-APR-0036.htm
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So sad and yet so true.

There have been some fairly good examples of Urban infill that fits in with the area nicely and there aren't garages that dominate the fronting of the development.

Just look at those fairly new townhomes near the Bay and Gloucester area. There are also some pretty decent ones on Percy as well.
I love the ones right off of Kent Street as well, near Hudson Park.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2007, 10:20 PM
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it hasn't been metioned here, which is odd, but does anyone know when Bank Street will finally reopen around Somerset?? it's been over 2 weeks now since the old Duke of Somerset building's floor collapsed during the renovations.
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2007, 1:22 AM
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^ cbc had an article on this issue

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Costs adding up for closed downtown Ottawa intersection

Last Updated: Thursday, November 8, 2007 | 6:33 PM ET

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It's getting expensive for the City of Ottawa to keep a downtown intersection closed after a building partially collapsed there three weeks ago.

"Last week it was up to $300,000 for police," said Coun. Diane Holmes, who represents Somerset ward, where the closed-off intersection is located.

The Somerset House building, on the southeast corner of Bank and Somerset streets, partially collapsed during renovations on Oct. 19, and it can't be reopened until engineers have ensured the building isn't at risk of further collapse.

The city will try to bill the owner to get back the money it has spent keeping the intersection closed, Holmes said.

Business owners in the area, who feel they should also be compensated for lost business from the street closures, will also have to turn to the owner of the building, she said.

But she added that three weeks is too long for a downtown intersection to be closed, and that the city should take matters into its own hands.

Legally, the city doesn't have to wait for the owner's engineer to report on the building's stability. It could send its own engineers and bill the owner afterward, she said.

"But I think we have never been that proactive before," Holmes said. "It seems to be extremely difficult for staff to come to grips with the fact that legislatively, we can do that."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...et-071108.html
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2007, 2:39 AM
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hm.. no one wants a lawsuit on their hands, I guess. Three weeks is really a long time.
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Well, it looks like the location for the new National Portrait Gallery is up for grabs.

"Our government has set forth the notion that national cultural institutions do not necessarily have to be located in the national capital," said Ms. Verner at a news conference today.

Proposals will be accepted from Ottawa-Gatineau, Halifax, Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver.


You can read the entire article here at OBJ.

I'm disapointed, I was hoping to see some new architecture in the CBD.

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^Not a surprise from a federal government with little regard beyond contempt for the federal capital.
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I expect they'll dangle it in front of whichever metropolitan area they consider a high priority in the next election. Maybe Toronto or Quebec City.
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Randall Denley's take on Mills' idea regarding developing parts of the Greenbelt:

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Greenbelt can be unbuckled
Look at a map to see that development is possible without sacrificing our favourite natural areas
Randall Denley, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, November 10, 2007

NCC chairman Russell Mills's suggestion that some parts of the Greenbelt be considered for development has created a predictable reaction. People have been quick to defend their favourite natural areas and politicians have lined up to take the popular position of Greenbelt champion.

Mills's argument that developing parts of the Greenbelt adjacent to freeways could be good for the environment is counterintuitive, but it makes sense if one takes the time to think about it. At the very least, it's an idea worth careful consideration.

The fact is, Ottawa is going to grow. It can either be in certain limited areas of the Greenbelt adjacent to major highways, or it can be beyond our existing suburbs, far to the east, south and west. That farflung growth costs more to service, makes transit less effective and adds miles to our commutes every day, whether we ride the bus or drive our cars.

The Greenbelt was at first intended to contain growth, then the idea was that the suburbs outside the Greenbelt would become satellite communities with their own employment base. That failed dramatically in Orléans and is a modest success in Kanata. Now, development has also been driven south, putting more cars on an inadequate road network. This was the problem the city hoped to partly solve with a $1-billion light-rail line.

When we hear the word Greenbelt, most of us think of the nature trails and conservation areas that we use and value.

That's not the whole picture. The Greenbelt is already sliced up by the city's biggest highways and a number of major municipal roads. The highways in particular have already ended the pretense that the Greenbelt is a continuous interconnected band. In reality, it's a series of green chunks fenced in by roads. Of the Greenbelt's 22,000 hectares, 840 hectares are already developed and another 600 have been identified by the NCC for future development, likely for national institutions that require a lot of space. This designation concedes the point that Greenbelt land is developable, but there isn't much current demand for this kind of large campus. The Greenbelt also contains Ottawa's major airport, not exactly a natural feature.

Five thousand hectares, nearly one-quarter of the whole Greenbelt, is farmland. What's the point in government owning thousands of acres of farmland, and then leasing it back to farmers, so we can watch them farm as we drive by? We can see farmers farming their own land at no cost in the countryside we're in the process of sacrificing to development.

To see the possibilities the Greenbelt offers, you need only look at a map. Check out the area between the 416 and Eagleson Road, on both sides of the Queensway, south to Hazeldean Road and north to Carling. It's a vast amount of land, at least as large as Kanata North. It looks nice and green on the map, but in reality, it's mostly farmers' fields and scrub brush. It already contains the National Capital Equestrian Park, a government-owned tent and trailer park and federal office buildings. This is not your favourite natural area and it has limited public access now.

In the eastern part of the city, look at the land surrounding Blackburn Hamlet and on the sides of the 174. Of particular interest is the NCC-owned, city-operated Pineview Golf Club, a prime development site that would get government out of the golf business, which is already overloaded with courses.

If even the corridors immediately adjacent to the Queensway and the 174 were developed, it would dramatically curb urban sprawl. Who wants to live far from the core if he can live closer? This kind of development obviously won't undo what we've already done with our suburbs, but it would end the nature-destroying expansion that occurs in this city every day.

If these lands were to be developed, it should probably be handled by the federal Canada Lands Company, not the NCC, which doesn't have an encouraging track record when it comes to managing development. Owning this land gives government a strong measure of control over what is ultimately developed, enabling us to do something better then the suburban tract housing our developers favour.

People have cynically assumed that developing Greenbelt lands would be a cash grab by the NCC. The commission is no longer under pressure to sell land for operations, having received better funding from the federal government. Mills's suggestion was sparked by concern over the best way to develop, not money for the NCC. Any money realized by the land sale could easily be put into a fund for acquisition of land of actual environmental significance.

One of the key selling points for developing the Greenbelt corridors adjacent to major highways is just that fact. It simply makes sense to develop land that already has good transportation access rather than put our tax dollars into farflung suburbs that require big new roads. Adding our increased population on routes that transit already covers would also help provide the volume of passengers and the compact routes that transit needs to be effective.

As the city grows, we will inevitably sacrifice some natural areas to new housing. The important questions are where should that housing go, how will people get to work and what form will the housing take? If Greenbelt development is considered, the answers to all those questions change. We need a factual analysis of those benefits.

Nothing happens in this town without a process, and fortunately, one is at hand. The NCC's Greenbelt master plan is more than a decade old and is due for review. It's the appropriate way to challenge how we develop and give the public an opportunity to make informed decisions.

There is no use complaining about urban sprawl if we ignore the obvious solution. Let's not be afraid to challenge our own conventional thinking.

Contact Randall Denley at 596-3756 or by e-mail, rdenley@thecitizen.canwest.com


© The Ottawa Citizen 2007
I'm noticing a disturbing trend of actually agreeing with Randall Denley.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2007, 5:28 PM
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Wow. Randall Denley actually made sense in that article... *shock*
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2007, 1:25 PM
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Denley is coming around, it seems. After ruminating all those random thoughts for years, it seems logic has caught up with the man. Good for him. I've noticed a couple of letters to the editor also in favour of looking at Greenbelt development, and today's op-ed on rural growth also has an interesting angle: free up some Greenbelt land to protect the true rural character of the rural area. Have you guys noticed how much Ottawa's rural area is just lower-density suburbia? Greely-Manotick is an almost continuous blob of supersized lots along crescents that wind their way through forest land. North of Kanata, same thing: one subdivision after another.
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, and today's op-ed on rural growth also has an interesting angle: free up some Greenbelt land to protect the true rural character of the rural area. Have you guys noticed how much Ottawa's rural area is just lower-density suburbia? Greely-Manotick is an almost continuous blob of supersized lots along crescents that wind their way through forest land. North of Kanata, same thing: one subdivision after another.
That fellow who does the op-ed on rural growth (Joe Banks) is very biassed against any semblance of the 'city' coming into his piece of paradise (Osgoode). Your analogies of Greely and Manotick are spot on. My experience of Greely residents is that they want to be left alone out in the country yet still want the City nearby (i.e hospital, doctors, specialized services) but don't want to have to pay for it. And they definately don't want to have to pay for public transit in their tax bills.

West Carleton (north of Kanata) is very similar.

If you were to look at maps at the City Hall of the approved yet unbuilt rural estate subdivisions in some parts of the new City, you would shudder.
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The city may acquire a couple of inner-suburban properties from the OCDSB and redevelop them. If they pass, I guess a developer would try to go for them.
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...20-%20Pub1.htm






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Ashbury College proposal, for a boys' dormitory (recommended for approval)



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this interesting tidbit originally dicovered by Acajack in the Gatineau forum.. the block in question is the area directly to the east of Les Terrasses.


Secteur de Hull
  1. 14 à 34, rue Eddy, 41 à 53, promenade du Portage et 116, rue Wellington (district électoral de Hull)
La demande d’usage conditionnel a pour but d’approuver un projet de construction d’un bâtiment commercial totalisant plus de 10 000m². L’obtention de l’usage conditionnel permettra la construction d’un édifice à bureaux sur l’îlot formé par la promenade du Portage et les rues Eddy, Wellington et Saint-Jacques.


http://www.ville.gatineau.qc.ca/pdf/...r_de_Hull).pdf

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Old Posted Nov 19, 2007, 4:22 PM
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this interesting tidbit originally dicovered by Acajack in the Gatineau forum.. the block in question is the area directly to the east of Les Terrasses.


Secteur de Hull
  1. 14 à 34, rue Eddy, 41 à 53, promenade du Portage et 116, rue Wellington (district électoral de Hull)
La demande d’usage conditionnel a pour but d’approuver un projet de construction d’un bâtiment commercial totalisant plus de 10 000m². L’obtention de l’usage conditionnel permettra la construction d’un édifice à bureaux sur l’îlot formé par la promenade du Portage et les rues Eddy, Wellington et Saint-Jacques.


http://www.ville.gatineau.qc.ca/pdf/...r_de_Hull).pdf

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That's great news. I remember when that block burnt down a while ago. It was a sad loss, of course my memories of Promenade du Portage were largely booze-fuelled from the heyday of Hull's bar strip. I wonder if the Épicerie Communautaire is the lead commercial tenant - it would be welcome addition to downtown.
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Here's a couple more stores that I think would work in that location. Quick, someone buy a franchise

Frites Alors

Première Moisson
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Here's a couple more stores that I think would work in that location. Quick, someone buy a franchise

Frites Alors

Première Moisson
I know both of those from Montreal. Première Moisson actually has a partnership with Ottawa-area Farm Boy outlets to sell bakery, which is a shame - I don't like the idea of Première Moisson associated with suburban big-box foods, I see them more as neighbourhood streetfront shops. But the point is they're here, and I hope they grow into streetfront locations soon.

As for Frite Alors! - the best is the name of their parent company, Cholestérol Plus! No use window-dressing the obvious.
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Does anyone have any info/updates/pictures of the Stonework Lofts going up in Westboro at Scott/Winona?

http://stoneworklofts.com/

They list an occupancy date of spring/summer 2008 so this project should be coming along nicely.
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There's something happening at the corner of Kent and Somerset (NW corner) next to Budget Rent-a-car... fence up, some digging. Not sure if it's anything significant.

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