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287 Cumberland St | 12.8 m | 4 fl | Proposed

Groupe Claude Lauzon is [finally] proposing the redevelopment of the Our Lady’s School, and adjacent properties at 281-283 Cumberland, 287 Cumberland Street and 207-209 Murray Street as a low-rise apartment building, four storeys in height, with an entrance facing Cumberland Street and access to underground parking from St. Patrick Street. The south and west walls of the former school will be part of the building. The former school was two storeys in height, with a high basement and the proposed residential building will be four storeys, however, because of the high floor to ceiling heights in the school, the new building will appear to be only one storey higher than the school.

The proposed residential building will complement the character of the building remnant and its cornice will match the height of a reintroduced cornice of the walls, with the fourth storey set back five metres from the historic walls facing Murray Street, and four metres from Cumberland Street. This setback allows the school walls to continue to define the character of the lot as the site of a community school. The entrance to the residential building will be located to the north of the former entrance, and its wall will be set back four metres from the historic wall. This setback extends the length of the Cumberland Street façade and will allow the planting of street trees. A four storey wing (three with a fourth floor setback) will extend to St. Patrick Street.

This wing will provide access to the parking garage, with residential above. The building will be constructed of grey brick, dark grey stucco, with decorative red brick piers. The south and west façades will feature slight projections to break up the mass of the building and to mimic the width of buildings found throughout the heritage conservation district.

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Old Posted Dec 7, 2015, 4:06 AM
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Crumbling heritage school may be replaced with four-storey apartment building

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 6, 2015 | Last Updated: December 6, 2015 6:00 PM EST




The decades-long saga of a derelict Lowertown school may be coming to a close.

But some people in the neighbourhood aren’t happy with the proposed solution, even if city heritage planners argue that a new four-storey apartment building across from the old St. Brigid’s church will “re-animate this corner for the first time since the school was closed decades ago.”

A report to the city’ heritage subcommittee has recommended that the city approve a number of measures that have to be taken to allow for the construction of the new building at the corner of Murray Street and Cumberland Avenue.

The former Our Lady’s School, where Lowertown’s anglophone Catholic girls were educated, has been boarded up and scrawled with graffiti for years. The proposal would leave two walls of the 1904 school standing as a facade for the new building. Because the two-storey school had a high basement and high ceilings, the new four-storey building would appear to be only one storey higher than the original school.

“By incorporating the walls of the former school and developing a new residential use into the subject property, the corner of Cumberland and Murray Streets will make a positive contribution to the cultural landscape of this sector of the heritage conservation area, instead of featuring a vacant building with no function,” said the city report.

The derelict school has been a long-running problem for the city. Last year, the city won a legal battle with landlord Claude Lauzon, who owns the crumbling school. Lauzon was ordered to stabilize and protect the west and south walls, and foundations of the school under the direction of a structural engineer as well as securing the rest of the site and removing barricades to allow sidewalks to be open. He was also ordered to pay $140,000 in legal costs and expenses.



The proposal would clean up a corner that has been an eyesore for decades. But some say the plan will also leave a tear in the fabric of the heritage district.

David Jeanes, president of Heritage Ottawa, says the crumbling school has been “the poster child for demolition by neglect.”

But he is also concerned about another element of the proposal, which demands that a modest 1870s double worker’s cottage be demolished to make way for the project. The report says the planning department “regrets” the loss of the cottage. While the city isn’t happy with tearing down the cottage, it sees new building as a compromise, he said. Tearing down 281-283 Cumberland St. would extend the “developable” area of the street.

But the point of having a heritage district is to leave as much of the urban fabric as possible intact. And that includes the cottage, said Jeanes.

“It’s not in bad condition. It contributes to the nature of the neighbourhood. You need to look at the buildings as a group,” he said.

“You could progressively lose a lot of heritage if you don’t draw the line.”

Liz MacKenzie, co-chair of the heritage committee of the Lowertown Community Association, says the school looks better since the walls have been stabilized and the graffiti has been cleaned up. But she said its windows have been left open for years, contributing to the damage.

She is also opposed to demolishing the cottage. Research shows the building was inhabited in the latter part of the 19th century by three francophone widows who survived by running small businesses. The story is part of the district’s history, said MacKenzie. “It’s a testament to women entrepreneurs in Centretown.”

The city’s built heritage subcommittee is to vote on the proposal Thursday. If approved, it will move to planning committee in January.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...tment-building
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I honestly don't get what all the fuss is about -- just build the damn thing! Looks good to me!

imo, preserving an old cottage because three francophone widows lived in it doesn't qualify as heritage...
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In fact, given its location downtown, I'd say we should be adding another storey to this building -- with setbacks for the top storey, of course.
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I honestly don't get what all the fuss is about -- just build the damn thing! Looks good to me!

imo, preserving an old cottage because three francophone widows lived in it doesn't qualify as heritage...
Good one. There is a property on Rideau that has as one of its heritage justificatons the fact that the daughter of the person who Casselman was named after lived in it at one time.
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There are heritage sites in Lowertown that are far more important.

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There are heritage sites in Lowertown that are far more important.

Quick, let's erect a monument!
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Heritage sub-committee rejects 'quasi-Faustian bargain' for derelict Lowertown school

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 10, 2015 | Last Updated: December 10, 2015 6:14 PM EST


The built heritage sub-committee has told a developer to go back to the drawing board after rejecting his plan to use the facade of a derelict Lowertown school for a new four-storey apartment building at the corner of Murray Street and Cumberland Avenue.

The rejection came despite the fact the city’s heritage planners had recommended approving the plan. The sub-committee nixed it, in part because the proposal demands demolishing a humble 1870s double cottage at 281 and 283 Cumberland Ave. to create more land that can be developed as part of the project.

The former Our Lady School, built in 1904, has long been a thorn in the city’s side. It was boarded up, crumbling and marked with graffiti. Last year, the city won a legal battle with landlord Claude Lauzon, who was ordered to stabilize and protect the west and south walls, as wells as the foundation of the school under the direction of a structural engineer.

Councillors on the sub-committee said it was tempting to approve the proposal as better than what’s there now, but it wouldn’t be in the spirit of protecting Lowertown heritage.

“I feel that we’re being faced with a quasi-Faustian bargain. We could sell ourquasi souls and end this nightmare,” said chair Tobi Nussbaum. “We’ve been living this nightmare for decades. Now we’re being asked to demolish another building in the heritage district.”

A city report released last week urged approving the plan to use the remaining two walls of the school as a facade. The new apartment building would make a far better contribution to neighbourhood than a vacant building, said the report.

The Lowertown Community Association liked the plan to clean up the school site, but argued that demolishing the cottage on Cumberland Street would poke an unnecessary hole in the fabric of a heritage district, as well as erase a little bit of Lowertown history. In the late 1800s, the cottage was home to three widows who eked out a living as seamstresses and landladies.

Liz MacKenzie, co-chair of the association’s heritage committee, said the school site has been “tormented and neglected” for years, but she hopes it will become a viable part of the community again.

After the meeting, MacKenzie said she was relieved that Lauzon’s proposal was rejected, but the association is keeping an eye on what he proposes next.

“There’s a temptation to say anything would be better,” she said. “But it can’t be just anything.”

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With Lauzon, the alternative may be nothing... for a very long time.
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My only question is this: Is the humble 1870s double cottage at 281 and 283 Cumberland Ave. where three widows eked out a living as seamstresses and landladies a designated heritage building? If it is, then it should be preserved. If not, then how can you prevent the owner from doing what they want with it? You might not like the guy, but he does own the building.
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CMON, even if this is where some seamstress and landlady made their living, look at these buildings. They're absolutely HIDEOUS! Ugly panelling, 2 doors and 7 windows. This rationale is indefensible.
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Planning committee OK with moving heritage barn to Munster

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 26, 2016 | Last Updated: January 26, 2016 6:43 PM EST



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In Lowertown, the committee took staff’s advice in approving the demolition of 281-283 Cumberland St. to make room for a new, four-storey building.

The built heritage committee last month unanimously rejected the staff recommendation, which was also panned by heritage advocates in the neighbourhood.

The new building at the corner of Murray and Cumberland streets would replace the former Our Lady’s School, where Lowertown’s anglophone Catholic girls were educated. The proposal would leave two walls of the 1904 school standing as a facade for the new building.

The derelict school has been a long-running problem for the city. Last year, the city won a legal battle with landlord Claude Lauzon, who owns the crumbling school. Lauzon was ordered to stabilize and protect the west and south walls, and foundations of the school under the direction of a structural engineer as well as securing the rest of the site and removing barricades to allow sidewalks to be open. He was also ordered to pay $140,000 in legal costs and expenses.


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With Lauzon, the alternative may be nothing... for a very long time.
Or selling the property

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Huge asking price for a complicated lot approved for only 4 stories especially at that location when nobody would want to live below the fifth floor.
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when nobody would want to live below the fifth floor.
Well that's a nasty little throw away line... and uninformed given the $560k townhouse for sale across the street, for example.
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Well that's a nasty little throw away line... and uninformed given the $560k townhouse for sale across the street, for example.
The townhouse is on St. Patrick not across the street. Totally different neighbors and not as much traffic. It's actually a surprisingly nice stretch there as are the streets north of there. For the right price people will live anywhere but at that price units in a four story building would need to be extremely expensive. More suited to overlooking the canal than Murray street.
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The townhouse is on St. Patrick not across the street. Totally different neighbors and not as much traffic. It's actually a surprisingly nice stretch there as are the streets north of there. For the right price people will live anywhere but at that price units in a four story building would need to be extremely expensive. More suited to overlooking the canal than Murray street.
This entire sad story is sad and ridiculous. The rampant facadism has ruined this neighbourhood for the last 30 years. What value is a square masonry wall with square windows and zero aesthetic detail. What soul is left there? What is the point in blocking its demolition for something functional. What a waste of time, money and resources for zero reason. Build the thing already.

How can something be deemed heritage if you could rebuild it new, to match, with almost zero specialized effort? That is what should have happened here, 30 years ago. The city wants a gross square facade? Sure, give it to them.
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Huge asking price for a complicated lot approved for only 4 stories especially at that location when nobody would want to live below the fifth floor.
Has it been approved? Last I recall, quite some time ago, things were hung up over the fate of the old duplex at the north end of the site.
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The townhouse is on St. Patrick not across the street. Totally different neighbors and not as much traffic. It's actually a surprisingly nice stretch there as are the streets north of there. For the right price people will live anywhere but at that price units in a four story building would need to be extremely expensive. More suited to overlooking the canal than Murray street.
It is in fact directly across the street - this is a through lot to St. Patrick, and 327 for sale across the street faces the property. It has the exact same amount of traffic.

It's surprising only in that people are investing around eyesores like this abandoned property - it's one of the few holdouts of the major upgrading in the area in the past few years.

At $223 per square foot for the land, the price is a tad high but not out of line for downtown land.
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