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Old Posted Sep 13, 2011, 1:04 PM
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is mb debt through bonds like the feds?

also isin't quebec 100billion in the hole while were around 14?
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These crime stats are useless the vast majority of Manitoba crime occurs in the North End and on reserves. All three parties proposals do nothing to change that course.
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Oh no, not the "moderators"...WHATever will I do?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...desc05-eng.htm

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...desc07-eng.htm

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/07/2...ent-crime-list

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20.../18453356.html


And of course, nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room, we have a serious problem with our aboriginal population, just as Edmonton, Regina and Saskatoon have.
I don't think this is true, there's been plenty of discussion over the years in the Violent Crime in Winnipeg thread. Not specific enough? There's a First Nation Issues thread as well, although that conversation hasn't been discussed since March.

So spare us the rhetoric and if you want to talk about it, then let's continue to talk about it as we've been doing for years.
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And of course, nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room, we have a serious problem with our aboriginal population, just as Edmonton, Regina and Saskatoon have.
Okay, so, what do you feel any of the parties will do to solve it?

Its not quite that simple as a "new political party will change things"

... which I am inferring you mean, since that is what this thread is about after all.

..Unless of course you are bringing up a whole different point, one which encapsulates Aboriginal issues specifically, and which you can go and develop in the appropriate thread. The so called "white elephant" that you linked with the Aboriginal population has truth only to the extent that it effects that community; yes there are clear and serious issues there; but its completely and unequivocally ridiculous to single out the first nations people by and large.
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is mb debt through bonds like the feds?

also isin't quebec 100billion in the hole while were around 14?
Ontario is about $100B (a bit more) in the hole....Quebec owes something like $250B.
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Oh no, not the "moderators"...WHATever will I do?
Get your act together or be suspended or possibly banned from this site? My name isn't green just to look pretty. If I find that an individual is souring the discourse of a discussion on any sub-forum at Skyscraperpage, it is my responsibility as a member of the website's staff to bring that individual to attention. I've been suspended myself before (years ago), so I know what kind of behaviour to look for, and you're starting to exhibit it.

Keep in mind that this website is private property, and the owners of it have no responsibility to allow you to post whatever you want here. There are rules in place to ensure an enjoyable time is had by all members and if your only mission in this discussion is to insult people without providing any source to back up your claim, then you are acting contrary to those rules and action must be taken to maintain civil decorum on this board.



We are discussing the trend in Manitoba's overall crime rate over the years, compared to which party was in power at the time. That was the basic point reflected by the statistics in the post by Authentic_City, to which you replied with an insult and then a contradictory claim but no evidence to back it up. I said that you should give us a source to back up your claim, and you refused, saying "he can do the work", claiming to be a prick, and then you insulted me. After mentioning that I will have to bring this thread to the attention of moderation, you mocked me, and as I will explain below, have yet to provide a source to back up your claim that Authentic_City's apparently solid hypothesis, about the correlation of crime rates and the party in power of the government, was wrong.

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This shows violent crime severity index by CMA for a single year—2010. It does not prove wrong Authentic_City's statement that crime was higher under the PCs and has declined under the NDP.

No one has denied that Winnipeg has a higher crime rate than most Canadian cities, or that among the larger cities in Canada, its crime rate is the highest or in the top five annually.

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This shows crime rate per 100,000 people by province for a single year—2010. It does not prove wrong Authentic_City's statement that crime was higher under the PCs and has declined under the NDP, because it only shows a single year. Again, no one has denied that Manitoba has a high crime rate.

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This article, like the two above, only has data for a short period of time, and cannot be used to prove or disprove Authentic_City's statement that crime was higher under the PCs and has declined under the NDP.

In fact, it claims that Statistics Canada (the source you want us to accept) is saying the overall crime rate in Manitoba went down between 2009 and 2010, while the NDP was in power. This adds at least a small amount of credibility to Authentic_City's claim that crime has at least declined at some point during NDP governance.

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This is the same article as above, but posted on a different website. Winnipeg Sun and CNews at Canoe.ca are both owned by Sun Media, and share resources.

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And of course, nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room, we have a serious problem with our aboriginal population, just as Edmonton, Regina and Saskatoon have.
Over the past four years, I have made about 20 essay-length posts on this board, primarily in the Violent Crime in Winnipeg and First Nations Issues threads discussing the aboriginal crime problem, its origins, its possible solutions, and the width and breadth of the issue, which stretches much further than just Edmonton to Winnipeg and much longer than the current NDP government's reign. Your own posts have sparked several of them, but you never reply to them. After a period of time where no one makes a post in that thread, the ice is broken by you simply posting another article about crime, as if that will make me "see the light" and concede the argument to you.

I read the news, too. In addition to that, I actually live in a neighbourhood with a high crime rate and a lot of aboriginal people, and I see that it is mostly aboriginals committing those crimes. I also see that it is mostly aboriginals who are victims of those crimes, and that often, those victims are commiting crimes themselves.

I see with my own eyes the world you're trying to tell me about with other people's words.

What do you want me to say?
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Well, considering Manitoba is not your home, I want you to say nothing, but since that won't happen, I could care less.

The NDP is doing nothing to address our issues, especially social issues. The reality is that our provincial judges are bleeding hearts who have no sacks. We have to do more to address aboriginal issues: public forums maybe? But, at the same time, laws need to be harsher, and utilized.

Again, the NDP, a socialist party, has done very little; one would think the opposite would be a mandate.

Well, in 2000, a year after the NDP was elected, we had the 4th highest crime rate http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...10719b-eng.htm

2006 - from Stats Canada: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...80717b-eng.htm

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Manitoba reported 62 homicides, 23 more than in 2006, giving it the highest rate among the provinces and its highest homicide rate since recording began in 1961. Most of the increase occurred in small urban and rural areas. The province also reported a large increase in attempted murder, up 53%.
I will dig up more later, but alas, I have to go to work...

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Well, considering Manitoba is not your home, I want you to say nothing, but since that won't happen, I could care less.
By this logic, are you Aboriginal?
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By this logic, are you Aboriginal?
I'm not on his side or anything, but does this somehow imply that if you aren't aboriginal, Manitoba can't be your home? Really?
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Again, the NDP, a socialist party, has done very little;
If you think the Manitoba NDP is socialist, you have no idea of the meaning of the word. If you think that this very pragmatic party has done nothing while in power to fix Manitoba's issues, you haven't been paying attention.
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I'm not on his side or anything, but does this somehow imply that if you aren't aboriginal, Manitoba can't be your home? Really?
No, that's not at all what he's saying.

W@H is saying that vid is not in Manitoba therefore shouldn't comment on Manitoba politics. Hexrae is then saying back to W@H "Well, since you're commenting on aboriginal issues, I suppose you must be aboriginal then."
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I'm not on his side or anything, but does this somehow imply that if you aren't aboriginal, Manitoba can't be your home? Really?
Nope, the parallel I was drawing was this:

Well, considering Manitoba is not your home, I want you to say nothing, but since that won't happen, I could care less.

Well, considering your not Aboriginal, I want you to say nothing, but since that won't happen...

There's an irony here if he wants to harp on an "outsider" for their input and involvement, so I decided to point it out.

In any case, I'm starting to admire the passion shown.

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This I can get behind. Although, given precedent set by past posts (concerning Aboriginal people), I'm still concerned that whatever solutions he has are ill conceived.
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No, that's not at all what he's saying.

W@H is saying that vid is not in Manitoba therefore shouldn't comment on Manitoba politics. Hexrae is then saying back to W@H "Well, since you're commenting on aboriginal issues, I suppose you must be aboriginal then."
Ah, now I get it.
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Well, considering Manitoba is not your home, I want you to say nothing, but since that won't happen, I could care less.
Demographically and culturally, the region I live in has more in common with Manitoba than any other in this country.

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The NDP is doing nothing to address our issues, especially social issues.
No government ever does. Social issues will always exist, they will simply be either better or worse. More or less prevalent. You don't go into any specifics here so I can't say much more than that.


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The reality is that our provincial judges are bleeding hearts who have no sacks. We have to do more to address aboriginal issues: public forums maybe? But, at the same time, laws need to be harsher, and utilized.
How exactly do the laws need to be harsher? How are current laws not utilized?

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Well, in 2000, a year after the NDP was elected, we had the 4th highest crime rate http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...10719b-eng.htm

2006 - from Stats Canada: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...80717b-eng.htm
Yes, as I have said, Manitoba consistently has a high crime rate compared to other provinces in Canada.

But, how does Manitoba's crime rate in 2000 compare to Manitoba's crime rate in 1999? In 1997? In 2005? In 2010?

We are not discussing how high or low Manitoba's crime rate is at a single point in time, or how high or low it might be relative to other cities and provinces. We are discussing the trend in Manitoba's crime rates over the past 15 to 20 years and its correlation to the party in power. You still haven't backed up your claim that crime has increased in the past 10 years of NDP governance.

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I will dig up more later, but alas, I have to go to work...
I look forward to it.
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Since Winnipeg (thus Manitoba) is my home, and the aboriginal population is making it not very safe, that is my business, despite not being Aboriginal. Vid is not a resident of this province, so I don't give a rat's ass about his opinions because, again, he doesn't live here; and if he thinks by extension of northern Ontario's so-called similarities, he is free to rebuke my comments, no way, baby.
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Since Winnipeg (thus Manitoba) is my home, and the aboriginal population is making it not very safe, that is my business, despite not being Aboriginal. Vid is not a resident of this province, so I don't give a rat's ass about his opinions because, again, he doesn't live here; and if he thinks by extension of northern Ontario's so-called similarities, he is free to rebuke my comments, no way, baby.



wow.


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If you think the Manitoba NDP is socialist, you have no idea of the meaning of the word. If you think that this very pragmatic party has done nothing while in power to fix Manitoba's issues, you haven't been paying attention.
LOL--pragmatic my ass. The NDP spends like money is going out of fashion (you know, like Vid's wardrobe?) Um, anyway, the NDP refuses to get its house in order, and could care less about balancing its books, and as long as transfer payments keep rising, they will just spend more. Screw deficits, huh?
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wow.


Yeah, WOW. You haven't lived here that long. Save it.
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Yeah, WOW. You haven't lived here that long. Save it.
I will.


By the way, your ignorance and borderline racism aside, I am enjoying how you have related all this to the thread subject successfully. Please, carry on and teach us lesser folk as to all the minute socio-economic impacts, implications, and details of your argument, flash some more numbers and - most importantly - how any of the political parties will really resolve what the root issue is.

And try to do it while not being such a prick.
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LOL--pragmatic my ass. The NDP spends like money is going out of fashion (you know, like Vid's wardrobe?) Um, anyway, the NDP refuses to get its house in order, and could care less about balancing its books, and as long as transfer payments keep rising, they will just spend more. Screw deficits, huh?
Who's proposing to have fewer deficits, the NDP, or the PCs? Also, under the NDP, Manitoba's credit rating has been raised 6 times. Under the PCs, it was lowered. Our debt to GDP ratio is better than it was.
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