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Old Posted Nov 23, 2006, 8:29 PM
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Sorry, I should have qualified. I was going on the general rule that SJ is larger as per the last 2001 Census data from -

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cens...MA-P.cfm?PR=13

The population info for the 2006 census is only released March 13, 2007.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cens...RelDates_e.cfm

Assuming the same rates of growth seen in between the 96 and 01 censuses, the populations of the two cities should now look something like this -

122 082 - Moncton CA (3.7% growth from 2001 for the CA)
119 732 - Saint CMA (2.4% decline from from 2001 for the CMA)

That, however, wouldn't be accurate as Saint John has done better from 2001 to 2006 than it did from 1996 to 2001 (I am sure much, or a considerable portion, of population loss in that census was due to the end of Shipbuilding and the subsequent departure of several hundred families).

I checked out Enterprise Saint John (http://www.enterprisesj.com/en/index.php?id=14 - this is where the Wikipedia info is from) and they show what HalifaxMTL666 said -

126,600 Saint John Census Metropolitan Area (CMA)
Regional catchment and commuter population of 175,000

Those are 2005 numbers and they also make sense - Saint John has a more extensive and farflung network of suburbs and de facto bedroom communities so actual changes in population are not accurately reflected by simply examining the CMA.

The Moncton CA is increasingly similar in size and growing faster than the SJ CMA but I don't believe that it has attracted the 9,000 people it would have needed to outrank the SJ CMA since the last census. Even if this were to occur, SJ would still have a considerably larger commuter basin.

Additionally, The Saint John CMA would probably post the strongest growth in the province if the second refinery goes ahead and the LNG plant is a success.

It is important to clarify that Dieppe is mainly the reason why Moncton grow quickly ! Dieppe has increase her population by 7000 since 1996-census. It is clear Moncton is more friendly for French that come from north. Moncton has a better retail sector and seem to be more clean. Saint John needs to be more attractive but it is clear now, there is a wind of change in this city.

All news update are in Saint john news section.

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Old Posted Nov 23, 2006, 11:27 PM
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Nah, the Irvings don't usually cooperate with other developers. Plus, if they were interested in either of the sites you mentioned they'd already own them.
I´ve been away too long - I forgot the Irvings don´t descend from Olympus to mingle with the locals.

Given that you have a point, I can´t think of anywhere else with free space Uptown (i.e., somewhere they could tear down buildings without being accused of destroying heritage - no matter how poorly maintained). I suppose they could rip down some 1950´s monstrosity outside of the preservation area (anything along Union Street for example).
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All in all, very good news.
Well, despite it all, it's still Saint John.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2006, 11:38 PM
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Well, despite it all, it's still Saint John.
That is something they have to deal with.
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Well, despite it all, it's still Saint John.
Well, Its this kind of reaction Saint John need to change...but

I saw at CBC News in french(SRC)a little documentary about Saint John pipeline. I like Saint John but i am against that pipeline pass through the city by Rockwood park. Many citizens are scared about pipeline into the city. Emera can get this pipeline under fundy bay, they just don`t want to pay the extra cost. The most important thing is that many of them are scared about reprisal by Irving oil. In that case, Saint John still seem to be a little "Banana republic". Deal or no deal... no other position.. It is a shame for the democracy

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I can´t think of anywhere else with free space Uptown (i.e., somewhere they could tear down buildings without being accused of destroying heritage - no matter how poorly maintained). I suppose they could rip down some 1950´s monstrosity outside of the preservation area (anything along Union Street for example).
The company has a sizable real estate portfolio in the center of the city.
Take King Square for example; they own the parking lots next to and behind the Imperial Theatre as well as the building on the site of the former supermarket.

King Square North (former Dominion store):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri...ure/irving.htm

King Square South (Imperial Theatre District):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri.../beattyold.jpg
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2006, 4:15 AM
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The company has a sizable real estate portfolio in the center of the city.
Take King Square for example; they own the parking lots next to and behind the Imperial Theatre as well as the building on the site of the former supermarket.

King Square North (former Dominion store):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri...ure/irving.htm

King Square South (Imperial Theatre District):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri.../beattyold.jpg

Do you think Irving can use one of this vacant lots or buildings to get built his new HQ?

Commercial properties, a Irving divison has many vacant lots and buildings all around the town, they can use one of it too

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That old picture of the Dominion store is interesting. I remember other photos such as the one of the hospital on the hill before it was demolished that really made Saint John look like a larger, busier city than it is today.
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While we're on the topic of Saint John, a lighting design for the harbor bridge would also go a long way toward rehabilitating the city's image.



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While we're on the topic of Saint John, a lighting design for the harbor bridge would also go a long way toward rehabilitating the city's image.



Wow the light under the bridge is effective now?
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The company has a sizable real estate portfolio in the center of the city.
Take King Square for example; they own the parking lots next to and behind the Imperial Theatre as well as the building on the site of the former supermarket.

King Square North (former Dominion store):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri...ure/irving.htm

King Square South (Imperial Theatre District):
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Heri.../beattyold.jpg
The parking lots around the Imperial are hideous - I would be so happy to see something, especially something like this, done with them. Maybe they would extend the indoor connection to the Imperial and this new office complex if it is built here. One can only hope I suppose.
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That old picture of the Dominion store is interesting. I remember other photos such as the one of the hospital on the hill before it was demolished that really made Saint John look like a larger, busier city than it is today.
The old General Hospital was beautiful - I think if it were still standing today (given the city´s change in spirit) it would be refurbished for future use.

The white box that was built in its stead is perhaps the worst misuse of space in the city.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2006, 4:51 AM
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While we're on the topic of Saint John, a lighting design for the harbor bridge would also go a long way toward rehabilitating the city's image.



This would be amazing - also a different shade of paint so the bridge looked better during the day, maybe Red, would be a big help.

Where do you get all these cool pictures and information on SJ?
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The old General Hospital was beautiful - I think if it were still standing today (given the city´s change in spirit) it would be refurbished for future use.

The white box that was built in its stead is perhaps the worst misuse of space in the city.
Lol it`sugly

and I think the Saint John Indoor pedway system is the more important in Atlantic
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Wow the light under the bridge is effective now?
No, just something I always thought would enhance the bridge's appearance. To my knowledge, the bridge authority has never seriously considered introducing a lighting scheme.
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No, just something I always thought would enhance the bridge's appearance. To my knowledge, the bridge authority has never seriously considered introducing a lighting scheme.
ok... its could be nice to see something like that get done

Do you live in Sj area?
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Here is the image I was talking about:

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I found information about a new plan for public transportation at -

http://www.saintjohntransit.com/index.php?id=4

Saint John Transit, in partnership with the Saint John Parking Commission, is working towards a Commuter Express System which would include Rothesay, Quispamsis, Grand Bay-Westfield, Hampton and St. Martins. While the initial elements are in place for launch in the summer of 2007, the plans for ComX are not yet finalized. A formal proposal request for funding under Bill C-66 has been made and currently awaits approval of government.

I certainly hope that they get the needed funding. The rush hour in Saint John (especially on the Mackay Highway to/from Rothesay, Quispamsis and Hampton) is quite heavy for a city of its size and needs to address. Additionally, such a plan would help make the city more accessible from its suburbs for people without cars.
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Alright, time for a few more of my proposals!

Market Square & Coast Guard Site






Imperial Theatre & Courthouse (motion image projector)






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Alright, time for a few more of my proposals!

Market Square & Coast Guard Site






Imperial Theatre & Courthouse (motion image projector)







Coast Gurad is already in project in section project but the rest is awesome
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