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HSR fare is always only 50c with Presto if you are connecting to GO Transit. Your tap on HSR on the way to GO station will show as $2 (Presto thinks this is regular HSR trip), but when you tap at the GO station your fare will be reduced by $1.50 (because Presto now knows this is a connecting trip). If you don't have a default train route or use the buses, the 1.50 reduction displays as you tap off the train/bus. On the way home when you tap on HSR Presto already knows you were on GO so the fare shows 50c when you tap.

The HSR portion of a round-trip daily commute is $1.00 per day so based on your 22-day monthly commute, HSR will cost you $22 per month. Still $7 more than the monthly pass system but not an unreasonable increase. That HSR add-in to monthly GO passes was too sweet a deal to last.
Yes, I just checked online and can confirm that what you've stated is correct. Only been using it a few days and the transaction history on the site is confusing. In fact, the whole thing is confusing at first.

That makes me feel a bit better... a $7 increase isn't that big a deal and I always thought $15 per month was way too good a deal. Of course I'd have to pay regular HSR fees for weekends, etc - but I only use it when Im working anyway.

And there is a discount after 35 rides - which I've calculated reduces the cost an extra $11 or $12 a month.

The GO fare increase is pretty high though. They say it's to pay for increased parking and for more GO bus service, but I agree - if I'm not using those services, yet I"m paying for it.
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Also parking at GO needs to all be paid on a cost recovery basis. Why should someone who exclusively travels on the Union Hamilton route pay for others parking if they never use it. If Burlingtonians want a sea of parking around their GO stations, let them pay for it.
Eh, I don't mind it. If you made people pay for parking, ridership would probably go way down.
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PRESTO is actually incredibly convenient and easy to use once you've used it for a few weeks. I've had mine for almost a year now and aside from one problem I had loading money onto it online, it has worked flawlessly. I use HSR, GO, Burlington Transit and the TTC pretty frequently and PRESTO makes it way easier to do so. I really enjoy the automatic co-fare savings too. I never used to take advantage of the discount when I'd pay with cash and paper GO tickets. Even the TTC fare is reduced by 40 cents.

I'm impatiently awaiting the time that the TTC gets it's ass into gear with PRESTO. There's absolutely no subway stations East of Bloor that even accept it.
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...I'm impatiently awaiting the time that the TTC gets it's ass into gear with PRESTO. There's absolutely no subway stations East of Bloor that even accept it.
The TTC had to be forced into Presto kicking and screaming. They insisted for years on doing their own smartcard system...which came to squat.
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It says a lot that they're still using mechanical fare boxes. I can't think of a single other transit agency in Ontario that still uses them. Even the HSR stopped doing that in the 80s.
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Bus Ticker app offers better, faster HSR stop information
(The Silhouette, Sam Colbert Dec 12, 2012)

When Gavin Schulz created Bus Ticker, he was doing it for himself as much as anyone else.

“I found it useful,” said the fourth-year economics and computer science student at McMaster. “I figured other people would find it useful as well.”

The Bus Ticker app, which can run on iOS, Android and BlackBerry, provides a listing of HSR bus arrival times for a given stop. A user can enter a stop number, or allow the app to locate the nearest stops itself, and see when the next five buses are coming for each bus route.

“The other options, like the phone-in service from the HSR or Google Maps, just took a long time and were more complicated than they needed to be. I decided to build something that would make it really easy to find out when the next bus is coming,” said Schulz.

Not only does the call-in service take a longer time to give you less information, he said, but it also requires that you know your four-digit stop code. Google Maps provides similar data, but presents it in the form of a complete trip. Bus Ticker, he explained, has a much higher information density than the other options.

HSR makes bus information available online for a couple of months at a time, said Schulz. He updates Bus Ticker by downloading the information and re-purposing it for the app.

After starting work on the app in early October, Schulz presented and launched it at Software Hamilton’s DemoCamp on Nov. 20. Bus Ticker – originally called the “Next Bus” app before a trademark conflict surfaced – was one of six demos at the event, which is run annually by Kevin Browne, a PhD candidate in McMaster’s computing and software department.

The app is currently free for download from bustickerapp.com.
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HSR: Still partying like it's 1995(sic).

Tweeter still driving HSR's info to riders
(Hamilton Spectator, Molly Hayes, Jan 5 2013)

Months after voicing concern about Hamilton's “unofficial” HSR tweeter, the city's transit department has yet to implement a social media strategy of its own.

In the meantime, the “unofficial but accurate” @HSRTransit has continued plugging away — recently adding a mobile schedule app to his arsenal.

The Spectator spoke to Jason Nason in April after he received flak for using the city's official transit logo on his unofficial account.

He said then that he'd gladly hand over the reins — and his @HSRTransit handle — if the city wanted to take over.

But months later, Nason has not heard from them.

“We definitely want and need to get there, it's … all part of a communications strategy going forward,” said Don Hull, the city's transportation director.

“I think transit in particular recognizes the need to actively participate in social media. We just want to do it as part of an approved corporate communications plan.”

Hull said the city has a number of projects on the go, including a social media partnership with Metrolinx.

“Right now, we've got a number of departmental-type Twitter accounts and they're doing great work,” said Mike Kirkopoulos, spokesperson for the city manager's office.

The transit department will likely be moving forward with its strategy in early 2013.
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HSR buses going back to natural gas
(Hamilton Spectator, Joan Walters, Jan 29, 2013)

The rising cost of fuel is forcing transit officials to plan for gradually switching Hamilton buses back to compressed natural gas (CNG).

“The bottom line is the diesel fuel market has just exploded,” said Douglas Murray, manager of transit fleet maintenance. “It’s one of our budget lines I just cannot remotely control.”

There’s already a natural gas fuelling station at the Mountain transit centre, used for the three dozen buses that still run on natural gas — fuel that Hamilton thought would be the immediate solution to keeping transit costs in line.

But in 2004, the decision was made to switch to diesel, out of concern over problems with the new natural gas technology.

“Compressed natural gas was like a brand new thing, and we were the first ones on the block,” Murray said. “But everything was very expensive and reliability was not as good as the diesel engine.”

So buses bought after 2004 were transitioned to diesel, in anticipation of a smoother running fleet with reasonable costs. Only 35 of the HSR’s 221 buses are natural gas now.

About 17 or 18 buses are usually bought each year, although no buses are on order for 2013 due to citywide budget constraints, a saving of about $9 million.
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Excerpted from today's report from the Residential & Civil Construction Alliance of Ontario, Financing Roads and Public Transit in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area:

"Public transit fares are inefficiently designed in several ways. First, with the exception of GO Transit, fares do not vary systematically with distance traveled. This inefficiency encourages urban sprawl because people can live far from work and commute by transit at low fares. Flat fares also discourage people from using transit for short trips, and this low demand makes it difficult to justify expanding service to nearby suburbs. Second, fares do not vary with time even though ridership and crowding fluctuate predictably throughout the day and week. Failing to charge higher fares during peak hours can result in over-investment in public transit infrastructure. Finally, transit is mainly a local responsibility in the GTHA which makes it difficult to integrate service throughout the region and to implement distance-based fares. The GTHA should adopt a more efficient and integrated fare structure.

Recommendation 1: Transit fares should be based on distance traveled and time of use. A zonal scheme with peak/off-peak fare differentiation would be a reasonable compromise between strict adherence to marginal-cost pricing rules and ease of comprehension and use for riders. Implementing such a fare structure would be facilitated with the Presto fare-card system. Average transit fares should not be increased unless, perhaps, road pricing is introduced along the same travel corridors or on a wide scale.


Automobile usage in the GTHA is even less efficiently priced than transit. On-street parking in high-demand areas is often priced well below its scarcity value, while privately owned garage parking is sometimes overpriced. Both price distortions encourage drivers to search for cheap but scarce parking spots. This wastes their time, and also impedes through-traffic. Parking space is controlled by various regulations, but they are costly to enforce and have some adverse side effects.

Recommendation 2: On-street and off-street parking fees should be restructured to support more efficient usage of parking space. On-street parking fees should be based on occupancy rates in order to minimize time spent searching for parking while maintaining reasonably high utilization rates of parking space. Maximum-stay regulations should be replaced by escalating hourly rates in order to encourage parking space turnover while minimizing inconvenience on parkers and effort devoted to enforcement and fine administration. The Toronto Parking Authority can implement such measures within the City of Toronto. To control risks, implementation could begin with a limited-scale trial with expansion to follow conditional on successful experience.


Two parking-related instruments can be used to raise money from parking directly: commercial parking sales taxes and parking levies. The GTHA does not currently have a commercial parking sales tax. A parking levy is a special property tax that is applied to non-residential, off-street parking space. A tax on commercial property was introduced in the Greater Toronto Area in the early 1990s to fund public transit and roads. It did not function as planned, and it was repealed after three years. However, the problems could be alleviated by designing and operating the levy judiciously. Parking levies are flexible in scope and rate structure, and they do not require parking activity to be recorded. They also have a large revenue potential.

Recommendation 3: The GTHA should consider implementing either a commercial parking sales tax or a parking levy. Responsibility for either measure could be granted to each municipality in the GTHA, or to the two cities and four regions in the GTHA, or to a governing body such as Metrolinx. However the commercial parking sales tax or parking levy is administered, tax rates or levies should be coordinated to avoid significant differences between municipalities that would encourage wasteful diversion of traffic and parking activity across municipal boundaries to take advantage of lower rates.


Like parking, usage of roads while traveling is inefficiently priced. A large fraction of the costs of vehicle ownership are fixed and do little to constrain usage. Fuel taxes are a crude form of user charge, but they are a blunt instrument for tackling congestion which varies greatly with location and time of day. Tolls are a much more effective instrument for targeting congestion and they can also be used to charge for road damage and pay for infrastructure. Tolls are scarce in Canada, and Highway 407 is the only tolled facility in the GTHA. Yet road pricing is widespread in other countries and it has been implemented in various forms.

Recommendation 4: Road pricing using time-varying tolls is the most attractive funding scheme for the GTHA in terms of adhering to the user-pay principle, economic efficiency, consistent and sustainable revenue yield, and equity. The two most promising options are: (1) a network of high-occupancy toll lanes, and (2) tolling all lanes on 400-series highways and possibly major regional and municipal roads. Both options should be energetically pursued. HOT lanes are the smaller-scale and less-risky option, but it will take time to build out the network. HOT lanes also have less revenue potential than more broadly-based road pricing schemes. Tolling highways should begin either after part of the HOT lane network is up and running, or at the same time.


In combination, reform of transit fares and parking pricing, a regional parking tax or levy, and some form of comprehensive road pricing might yield enough revenue to fund The Big Move. If not, one or more other funding instruments will be needed. A number of
possibilities are reviewed in this report. The leading candidates appear to be a regional fuel tax, a vehicle levy, and a regional sales tax. A fuel tax is ideal for internalizing the costs of greenhouse gas emissions, but it is a blunt instrument for controlling congestion. However, this should not be a limitation if efficient pricing of parking and roads is introduced. A vehicle levy is simple to collect and administer, and the City of Toronto has experience with the recent Personal Vehicle Tax. A vehicle levy throughout the GTHA would raise several times the revenue. The main strengths of a regional sales tax are its large revenue potential and the fact that it is paid by commuters and visitors as well as residents. Because of its broad base, and the relatively low level needed, a sales tax could be seen as a fair way for everyone to contribute toward a good regional transportation system.

Recommendation 5: Consideration should be given to implementing a regional fuel tax and/or a vehicle levy and/or a regional sales tax in the GTHA. The governing body would be responsible for setting the rate and spending the revenues. To reduce costs, a collection and administration levy could be piggybacked onto the corresponding existing tax.


Gaining public and political support to introduce new funding instruments and expand existing ones is essential for any plan to succeed. Experience around the world offers several lessons. One is that any scheme should have a clear and publicly stated objective. Pursuing multiple objectives is attractive from a system optimization perspective, but it is liable to create confusion. A second lesson is that the public should be engaged at all stages of implementation through consultation, focus groups and other media. While he was mayor of London, Ken Livingston played a key role in implementing the London Congestion Charge, demonstrating that a political champion is helpful for bringing in controversial measures. A third lesson is that revenues should be dedicated to local transportation. Good public transit is considered highly desirable – if not essential – if measures are introduced to make driving or owning vehicles more expensive. The fact that public transit investments form the lion’s share of The Big Move is a major plus.

Recommendation 6: A funding plan should be designed and presented to the public with simple, consistent objectives. The revenues should be dedicated to specific projects and ring-fenced in such a way that other revenues are not reduced in an offsetting manner. To the extent possible, public transit investments should be expedited, and the effects on modal shares and travel times measured regularly and conveyed to the public to demonstrate progress."
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Or we can just build casinos all over the place to raise the money!
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That natural gas story is a perfect example of why we need to invest in electrified rail on our busiest corridors. We should never have taken the electric systems out the first time around, but that ship has sailed so let's get down to it and start putting it back in.

The most volatile expense in running buses is fuel cost and the only way to protect taxpayers from the gas pricing rollercoaster is to switch to electric power.
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Kinda already do that with lottery booths, scratch tickets, bingo halls, etc.
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Please Feed The Meters: The Next Parking Revolution
(Collectors Weekly, Hunter Oatman-Stanford, Jan 25, 2013)

"Ground zero for the U.S. parking revolution is San Francisco, one of the country’s most pedestrian-friendly cities. In 2011, the City of San Francisco instituted the groundbreaking SFpark program, outfitting certain neighborhoods with advanced meters and parking sensors whose rates can be programmed based on vehicle occupancy and turnover (Duncan Industries, originally called Duncan-Miller and one of the earliest meter manufacturers, is responsible for a portion of San Francisco’s new devices). Since the project’s debut, meter rates have been adjusted every six weeks to reach an optimal hourly charge that will keep between most meters occupied with a few always open for new vehicles. Recently, the San Francisco Examiner found the project to be an overall success, with parking rates and fines actually decreasing across the city even as spaces become more available."
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Ha. I blogged on July 3, 2012:

Why in Times of Cheap Natural Gas is Hamilton Buying Diesel Buses?

The Spec has an article on the HSR buying new diesel buses, replacing natural gas buses. Considering the cheapness of natural gas (which looks to continue for years in North America) and the high cost of diesel fuel (based off the price of crude), I have to wonder why Hamilton is doing this. Obviously the HSR must have the infrastructure for natural gas if they already have natural gas buses.

The buses cost $450,000 without upgrades according to the article. Perhaps natural gas buses are more expensive or don't last as long. Who knows? Perhaps the cost of fuel isn't relevant compared to the cost of buses.

This site has an estimate of American buses of all types using an average of 1396 US gallons per year (of diesel I assume). I'm not sure if that's high or low for a HSR bus, but we'll go with it. That's approximately 5,284 litres per year. On Gas Buddy today, prices around Hamilton for diesel were around $1.13 per litre. Maybe the HSR gets a better price and maybe they don't have to pay all the taxes. Still using this number that's $5,970.92 a year or $71,651.04 over the 12 year bus lifetime. Is that enough to justify buying more expensive natural gas buses? I don't have the numbers, but it makes you wonder.



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HSR buses going back to natural gas
(Hamilton Spectator, Joan Walters, Jan 29, 2013)

The rising cost of fuel is forcing transit officials to plan for gradually switching Hamilton buses back to compressed natural gas (CNG).

“The bottom line is the diesel fuel market has just exploded,” said Douglas Murray, manager of transit fleet maintenance. “It’s one of our budget lines I just cannot remotely control.”

There’s already a natural gas fuelling station at the Mountain transit centre, used for the three dozen buses that still run on natural gas — fuel that Hamilton thought would be the immediate solution to keeping transit costs in line.

But in 2004, the decision was made to switch to diesel, out of concern over problems with the new natural gas technology.

“Compressed natural gas was like a brand new thing, and we were the first ones on the block,” Murray said. “But everything was very expensive and reliability was not as good as the diesel engine.”

So buses bought after 2004 were transitioned to diesel, in anticipation of a smoother running fleet with reasonable costs. Only 35 of the HSR’s 221 buses are natural gas now.

About 17 or 18 buses are usually bought each year, although no buses are on order for 2013 due to citywide budget constraints, a saving of about $9 million.
Whoever has been running the HSR for the last number of years is comically out to lunch. Maybe they've been hanging out with the Public Works guys, because they haven't been trying to operate a modern transit system.
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HSR going nowhere
(CATCH, Feb 12 2013)

HSR ridership went down last year, as Hamilton continued to buck a strong national trend of increased use of transit. In recent years HSR growth has consistently underperformed comparative Ontario bus systems and failed to reach a level of ridership even three-quarters of that achieved in the 1980s.

Provincially-compiled reports show HSR numbers rose less than 3.5 percent between 2006 and 2011. During the same years, transit systems in Ottawa, Mississauga, York Region and St Catharines registered 13-18 percent increases, even though the latter city actually saw a decline in population. London went up 20.4 percent in the same period, while bus ridership in Durham climbed 41 percent and Brampton jumped nearly 70 percent.

National transit average usage rose 22 percent from 2006 to 2010 and was still expanding strongly in the first six months of last year at an average annual increase of 3.2 percent. The Canadian Urban Transit Association (CUTA) commissioned a country-wide survey that showed “94% of Canadians say it is important or very important for their community to have access to public transit”, including 91% of people who don’t use transit.

"Year after year we observe the same upward trend, with transit ridership growing significantly faster than population," notes CUTA president Michael Roschlau.

The stagnation in Hamilton allowed both St Catharines and Mississauga to climb past it in rides per person. In 2011, the HSR stood at just over 41 rides per capita, up less than one over 2005 while Mississauga hit 44 and St Catharines climbed from less than 35 to over 42 in the same period, and London shot up from 51 to 61. Ottawa sits at 103 rides per person.

Last year’s results from Hamilton offer no sign that things are improving.
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Looks like the bus lane only on King St is finally happening....

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...2_PW11079d.pdf

Looks like nice amenities are coming to the B and Line as well.
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"Staff is also investigating the potential of
expanding the transit stops into the curb lane at two (2) locations, Main and MacNab
and Main and Longwood (east-bound, south side). Both locations experience high
passenger boarding/alighting and have constrained space."

I'd say that's a bit of an understatement, particularly in the case of Main/Longwood. More passenger space at the stop there would be a welcome addition.

And three cheers for the King bus lane, finally.
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Nice to have some new bus shelters. Three downtown treatments indicated:

• Main & John (Type A)
• Main & MacNab (Type C)
• King & MacNab (Type B)

Main & John "will require property or access impacts." All three downtown stops come with a proviso: "Will require a variation (eg. reduced modules or limited amenities)"

The third item above, presumably going in across from the CIBC, seems to be the only modification earmarked for King.

Bus-only lane aside, presumably they're not investing needlessly on King until the rapid transit money comes in.
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Glad to see the HSR improving just sad that I'm not there to enjoy it.
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