CHICAGO | 725 W Randolph | 700 FT | 41 FLOORS - Page 8

KWillChicago · #**141** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 4:55 AM**

Not trying to jump pages but does harry potter have any fruition?

jpIllInoIs · #**142** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 2:16 PM**

Much appreciation to Rgarri4!! just drops a bomb of models of west loop boom. And we kinda just expect it.. This is what is great about Chicago SSP - super talented members with skills in modeling, photogs, sleuthing, mapping - And all of the contributors with various expertise..

Zerton · #**143** Posted **Jul 10, 2018, 10:23 PM**

Wouldn't it be amazing if they built a park deck over 90 around Randloph? Say from Washington up to Lake?

Like this:
https://www.enr.com/ext/resources/ar...as/1216i/1.jpg

I guess the on/off ramps make it a lot less feasible.

KWillChicago · #**144** Posted **Jul 10, 2018, 11:24 PM**

Look up Kap the Kennedy. Its between Randolph and Jackson i believe.

left of center · #**145** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 12:11 AM**

^ Is it this?

http://www.ratiodesign.com/project/w...an-cap-kennedy

Source:ratiodesign.com

I remember this proposal from 5+ years ago. Obviously, the architects did not anticipate the West Loop boom we are now seeing, since everything west of Halsted looks pretty short.
I don't fully agree with their proposal to cut off (what appears to be) Monroe and Madison streets, although I understand the desire to have a larger, more contiguous park over the expressway.

SIGSEGV · #**146** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 4:18 AM**

A park cap could be above the current street level on Madison and Monroe with pedestrian ramps.

KWillChicago · #**147** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 5:28 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by left of center

^ Is it this?

http://www.ratiodesign.com/project/w...an-cap-kennedy

Source:ratiodesign.com

I remember this proposal from 5+ years ago. Obviously, the architects did not anticipate the West Loop boom we are now seeing, since everything west of Halsted looks pretty short.
I don't fully agree with their proposal to cut off (what appears to be) Monroe and Madison streets, although I understand the desire to have a larger, more contiguous park over the expressway.

Bingo! Thats it.

10023 · #**148** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 8:03 AM**

And this is why I suggested removing on/off-ramps in the other thread. You can’t really cap the expressway without doing that.

One entrance/exit going westbound, one entrance/exit going eastbound (onto one-way streets). Signage just says “Loop”. One could build more sophisticated ramp infrastructure (like Manhattan’s tunnel approaches) to better handle traffic flow, but it’s really about optimizing the neighborhood and pedestrian experience.

What expressway anywhere has on- and off-ramps every block? The merging and lane changes required probably just create congestion. Generally speaking, the less choice you give drivers in where to go (one-ways, fewer lanes, segregating traffic lanes by ultimate destination with barriers), the smoother traffic flows.

nomarandlee · #**149** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by 10023

And this is why I suggested removing on/off-ramps in the other thread. You can’t really cap the expressway without doing that.

One entrance/exit going westbound, one entrance/exit going eastbound (onto one-way streets). Signage just says “Loop”. One could build more sophisticated ramp infrastructure (like Manhattan’s tunnel approaches) to better handle traffic flow, but it’s really about optimizing the neighborhood and pedestrian experience.

What expressway anywhere has on- and off-ramps every block? The merging and lane changes required probably just create congestion. Generally speaking, the less choice you give drivers in where to go (one-ways, fewer lanes, segregating traffic lanes by ultimate destination with barriers), the smoother traffic flows.

What you suggest would be nice but I'm thinking there would be a LOT of pushback especially since the Circle and Kennedy ramps will have all been rebuilt in the last 10 years. That was the time to plan for such a major change I'd think.

Realistically what I think is more likely and feasible is to cover the portions where you don't have to work your way around ramps. Such as between Wayman/Fulton, Fulton/Lake, Jackson/Van Buren and maybe Halsted/Peoria, Peoria/Morgan along the Ike. Start there and if deemed successful maybe there would be less resistance towards finishing the rest of the trenches along the Kennedy later.

left of center · #**150** Posted **Jul 11, 2018, 10:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee

What you suggest would be nice but I'm thinking there would be a LOT of pushback especially since the Circle and Ramps have all been rebuilt in the last 10 years. That was the time to plan for it such a major change I'd think.

Realistically what I think is more likely and feasible is to cover the portions where you don't have to work your way around ramps. Such as between Wayman/Fulton, Fulton/Lake, Jackson/Van Buren and maybe Halsted/Peoria, Peoria/Morgan along the Ike. Start there and if deemed successful maybe there would be less resistance towards finishing the rest of the trenches along the Kennedy later.

I second this idea.

If we reduce the number of ramps, it will just make the few streets that do have 90/94 access turn into Loop versions of Ohio/Ontario Streets, or Congress Parkway.

Hellish, fast moving, bumper to bumper traffic does not improve the pedestrian experience at all.

ardecila · #**151** Posted **Jul 12, 2018, 4:18 PM**

I think the city could make it work with some 4-lane frontage roads like Boston's Rose Kennedy Greenway. Consolidate all exiting traffic onto four ramps at the north end around Lake St... if you're going to Adams or Jackson you'd have to sit through a few lights, but then you're better off taking other exits along the Eisenhower like Canal, Racine, Congress.

Pedestrians would still be crossing traffic, but at least it would be "city" traffic that's already gone through a few stoplights rather than cars fresh off the expressway flying at 55mph up a ramp. Plus by consolidating into four ramps at the north end, you could have continuous rectangles of park space unbroken by ramps and neatly bounded by city streets on all four sides.

BVictor1 · #**152** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 5:45 PM**

52 floors

615'

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k1052 · #**153** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 5:51 PM**

Nice.

Please god let Related not VE the exterior to death.

Steely Dan · #**154** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 5:53 PM**

great!

i never thought i'd live to see 500' west of the kennedy, let alone 600'.

a true skyline expander.

bvic, do you know if the modest 4-floor height reduction was a NIMBY bone-throw or just a change in plans?

LouisVanDerWright · #**155** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:19 PM**

A buddy of mine was recently hired by Related/Equinox and might end up being a PM on this tower. Would love to get in on a construction tour of this once it's nearly topped out!

Kumdogmillionaire · #**156** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:39 PM**

And the canyon continues to stretch up and out along the Kennedy. Fantastic

Notyrview · #**157** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:00 PM**

Whoa i'm totally shocked the nimby folks didn't get their way. HOORAY!

BVictor1 · #**158** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

great!

i never thought i'd live to see 500' west of the kennedy, let alone 600'.

a true skyline expander.

bvic, do you know if the modest 4-floor height reduction was a NIMBY bone-throw or just a change in plans?

Wasn't stated at the meeting, but there were no NIMBY's in attendance.

I told them they should be going full height seeing as they're being screwed on their other project (which isn't in stone at 36 floors).

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Originally Posted by Notyrview

Whoa i'm totally shocked the nimby folks didn't get their way. HOORAY!

They were never really against this one as it's east of Halsted.

Notyrview · #**159** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:27 PM**

Ah, I see. well, let the shadows loom long and this one's a beaut.

The Lurker · #**160** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 8:09 PM**

I'm glad the NIMBYs are conceding the freeway lots for taller buildings but we desperately need more height on the other side of Halsted so it will look like a city and not just a row of skyscrapers