America's Retail cores

[Gordo]

^I believe the 975,000 number comes from combining the women's and home store (roughly 800k now, at the time of the article it was a 500k store, a 175k store, and some other various space that was absorbed) with the men's store (roughly 175k) across the street. And of course now Macy's as a company has several hundred thousand square feet more in the immediate area, with the Bloomingdale's down the street.

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by jg6544

"Big Box" stores are ok if you want to buy 60 rolls of toilet paper at once and you don't mind shopping along with what appear to be shuffling bags of dirty laundry.

What a load of crap...

You talking about Costco or Sam's Club? Or is this yet another one of those "I will NEVER shop in a Target or a WalMart or a Best Buy or an Office Depot or wherever" kind of rant?

Aaron (Glowrock)

[MolsonExport]

60 rolls of toilet paper are entirely appropriate for a load of crap.

[LMich]

Just a small correction, Mike, but Hudson's in Detroit actually had 2.2 million square feet gross. Of course, that was gross space, meaning not all of it was retail, but since you posted gross square feet of the rest I guess it'd be the correct number for consistency. Hudson's was pretty interesting in that two of its five basement levels were actual retail levels.

[miketoronto]

The numbers are just approx, as I am not expecting his numbers to be fully correct.

Hudson's was sure an amazing complexe(building).

[Doug]

Originally Posted by glowrock

What a load of crap...

You talking about Costco or Sam's Club? Or is this yet another one of those "I will NEVER shop in a Target or a WalMart or a Best Buy or an Office Depot or wherever" kind of rant?

Aaron (Glowrock)

I do probably 70% of my shopping at CostCo. The attraction is not only the pricing, but convenience of being able to buy almost everything at one store and yes the quality of products. Anyone who thinks CostCo is low end hasn't been there. I saw a stat that CostCo attracts some of the highest average income shoppers of any retail chain. Except for maybe higher end clothing, which is of no interest to me, most department stores carry crap. I find I'm increasingly buying clothing, sporting goods and electronics online. I just have the items delivered to work and there is no incremental driving required by myself or the delivery service as they make daily runs anyways. There are couple of urban format CostCos that I can think of: in Vancouver by BC Place and San Francisco in Soma.

[MolsonExport]

^second that.

[dimondpark]

Here is a partial list of stores in Downtown SF. Its a work in progress

Department Stores: 11
Barneys New York
Bloomingdale's
Burlington Coat Factory
Macy's & Macy's Men's Store
Marshall's
Neiman Marcus
Nordstrom
Ross
Saks Fifth Avenue & Saks Fifth Avenue Men's Store
Wilkes Bashford
Coming Soon: Target

Partial List of Stores: 477
7 For All Mankind
AAA Automobile Club Store
A Pea in Pod
A. Shine & Co.(2)
AB Fits
Abercrombie
Abercrombie & Fitch(2)
Ace Hardware(Cole Fox)
Abigail's Flowers
Adidas
Adriano Goldschmied
Aeropostale
Aerosoles
AG Ferrari
Agent Provocateur
Agnes B.
Alden Men's Fine Shoes
Aldo(2)
ALESSI
Allen-Edmonds
Amadeus Flowers
Ambassador Toys
Amber India
American Eagle Outfitters
Amir H. Mozzarffarian
Ann Taylor
Anne Fontaine
Anthropologie
Apple Store
AX Armani Exchange
Elizabeth Arden Red Door
Aricie Lingerie de Marque
Aritzia
The Art of Shaving
Arthur Beren
ArtPeople Gallery
Avant Card
Aveda
Axelle Fine Arts
Azul
B44
Babette
Baby Gap
Bacarrat
Bakers
Banana Republic(3)
Bang Olufsen
The Bar Method
Barcelino(2)
Barcelino Per Donna
Bare Escentuals
Bath & Body Works
BCBG Max Azria
Beautyland
Bebe
Bella Ceramica
Bella Pelle
Benetton
BEST Camera
Betsy Johnson
Black Scale
Bond Latin Galley
Border's Books and Music
Borrelli Menswear
Bottega Veneta
Bose
Bucheron Paris
Hugo Boss
Bossa
Break Point Massage
Brian Gross Fine Art
Bridal Galleria
Brighton Collectibles
Brite Smile
Britex Fabrics
Brooks Brothers
Brookstone
Brows Shaping Salon
Burberry
Burke Williams Day Spa
Bvlgari
Cache
Cafe Coton(Menswear)
Calbee Shop
Caldwell Snyder Gallery
Camper Shoes
Calvin Klein
Candelier
Cardiology
Carlton Hair
Cartier
Casserd Shoes
CB2
Cecile Jeanne
Celine
Champs
Chanel
Chico's
Christian Audigier
Christian Dior
Chronicle Books
Claire's Boutique
Clarks
Club Monaco
Club One
Coach
Cocoa Bella Chocolates
Cohen Reese Gallery
CompoClay
Cole Haan
Conway Jewelers
Couture
Cowboys and Angels
Crate & Barrel
Cresalia Jewelers
Crocs
Crumpler
DB Shoes
De Beers
de Vera
DeMasqe
Designer Consigner
Desigual
Diesel USA
Digital Powell
Dior Homme
Disney Store
Don Sherwood's Golf & Tennis
Downtown
DSW Shoe Warehouse
E&O Trading Co.
EB Games
Ed Hardy
Easy Spirit
Eastern Newsstand
Ecco
Eddie Bauer
Edward's Luggage & Gifts
Emporio Armani
Emporio Armani Express
Emporio Rulli on Union Square
Enchanted Garden
Eve Carumba
Express
Farinelli
Salvatore Ferragamo
Ferrari Store
French Connection UK
Fiona's Sweetshoppe
Fly Fishin Outfitters
Footlocker
For Eyes Optical
Forever 21
Fossil
Franco Sarto
Frederick's of Hollywood
Fresh
Furla
G-Star Raw
Galleria de Bellagio
Galleria Hair Design
Game Stop
Gap(3)
Gap Kids(2)
George Krevsky Gallery
Ghiradelli Chocolate
Giants Dugout
Gioia Fine Art
Giorgio Armani
Glitter Optics
Goyard
GNC(2)
Go! Toys & Games
Godiva Chocolatier
Golfsmith
Good Vibrations
Grace Jewelers
Grant's Pipe Shop
Gucci
Guess
Guess by Marciano
Gump's
Gymboree
H2 Cards(Happiness Happiness)
H20
Hang Art
HANNspree
Harper Greer
Harput's
Harry O Meanswear
Hats on Post
Henry Cotton's
Hermes Paris
Herve Leger
H&M(2 locations)
Hicky Freeman
Himmelberger Gallery
Hollister Co.
Hound
Icing
Ilori
International Wholesale Jewelers
J. Crew
Jacqueline Perfumery
James *****
Janie & Jack
Japanese Sweets
Japanese Weekend Maternity
Jeffrey's Toys & Comics
Jenkins Johnson
Jessica McClintock
Jil Sander
Jin Wang
Joanie Char
Joe's Jeans
John Fluevog
John Varvatos
John Walker & Co. Wine & Spirits
Johnston & Murphy
Jos. A. Bank(2)
Judith Ripka
Juicy Couture(2)
K & D Home Furnishings
Karen Miller
karikter
Kashmir Home Collection
Kate Spade
Katie Koos
Kay Jewelers
Kenneth Cole
Kest Jewels
Kiehl's
Klaus Murer Swiss Jeweler
Kvanum
Lacoste
Lady Foot Locker
Lang's Antiques & Estate Jewelry
Latin Bond
Le Colonial
Lenscrafters
Levi's Flagship Store
Lids
Light Opera
Lily Sami
L.L. Brown Jewelers
L'Occitane
L'Occitane en Provence
Locker Room Sports
Loehman's
London Sole
Longchamp
Loro Piana
Louis Vuitton(3)
Lucky Brand
Lucy
Lush
Lupicia
Lutece
Lydia's Flowers
Madewell
Mai Do
Mango
Manika Jewelry
Malm Luggage
Marc Jacobs
Marlowe
Marmot
Marquad's
Martin Lawrence Galleries
Mason Smoke Shop
Max & Co.
Maxmara
Maxferd Jewelry
MaxStudio.com
Medicine New-Shonjin
Memento Press
MemXpress
Melvita
Men's Wearhouse
Metier
Meyerovich
Michael
Michael Kors
Michael Toschi
Midtown Jewelry
A Miner Miracle Shop
MIX
MNG Mango
Montblanc
Morrow's Nut House
Murik Children's Store
Nara Camicie
Natalie's
NE Q&J Boutique
Needlepoint Inc.
New Asia
Nevska
Niketown
Nine West(2)
Nob Hil Cigar
Nobel Shoes
The North Face
Oakley
Old Navy
Office Depot
Onsen
On the Fly
Optica
Optical Underground
Original Discount Perfume
Origins
Orvis
Pacific Sunwear
Pagewhirl
Pandora
Papyrus(2)
Paris Affaire
Paris Jewelry
Patrick & Co.
Paul Frank Store
Paul Smith
Pavillion Christofle
Payless Shoe Source(2)
Pearl Jade Empire
Pesarisi Ceramics
Peter Panos
Thomas Pink
Polo Ralph Lauren
Ponzu
****'s Jewelry
Porsche Design Center
Prada
Premier Atelier
Premier Health & Beauty
Priscilla of Boston
Pro Style
PUMA
Pure Beauty
Quicksilver
Radio Shack(2)
Ralph Lauren Home Collection
Rasputin Music
Ravits Watches & Jewelry
Ria Shoes
Rims & Goggles
Rochester Big & Tall
Rolex
Rockport
Rosetta Stone
Sample Sale
San Francisco Dancewear
Sanrio
Safton Rare Threads
Scheuer Linens
See's Candies(2)
Selix
Sephora
Serge Sorrokko
Sereno
SF Jazz Store
SF Museum of Craft Store
SF Souveniers & Luggage
Shiekh
Shirtique
Shoe Wiz
Shreve & Co.
Shuz of San Francisco
Signature Perfume
Sikara Jewelry
Simayof Jewelers
Sisley
Sketchers
S+L Gem Company
So Good Collectibles
Solstice Sunglass Boutique(2)
Something Silver
Spa Nordstrom
Spargo, a place for men
Spectacle Shoppe
St Croix
St John Boutique
Staples
Sterling Works
Stuart Weitzman
Stylo Fine Pens
Sun Shade Optique
Sunglass Hut(2)
Sunglass Hut & Watch Station
Sunshine Health Foods
Superdry UK
Sur La Table(2)
Swarovski
Swatch
Talbot's
Ted Baker
Teknion
Teuscher Chocolates
The Archive
The Artists Alley
The Body Shop
The Children's Place
The Container Store
The Custom Shop Shirtmakers
The Mens Wearhouse(2)
The Rafael's
Theory
Three Bags Full
Tiffany & Co.
Timberland
Tommy Bahana
Torso Vintages
Tory Burch
Torneau
Tous
Travel+
Travelex
True Religion
TSE
TUMI
Ugg Australia
Union Square Gallery Market
UnkKum
Uomo European Meanswer
Urban Outfitters
Van Heusen Men & Women
Vanity Beauty Lounge
Vans
Vera Bradley
Vi Gallery
Victoria's Secret(2)
Vidal Sassoon
Villeroy & Boch
VIP Luggage & Leather
Vision First
Waterworks
Weinstein Gallery
West Cost Leather
Wet Seal
The Whiskey Shop
White House Black Market
White Science
Williams-Sonoma
Wolford
World of Charms
YAP
Xanadu Gallery
Yves Saint Laurent
Zara

Partial List of Grocery Stores:
Bristol Farms
*Not sure if I should include the Whole Foods and Safeway locations in SOMA.
*The Ferry Building merchants forthcoming.

Movie Theaters: 3(29 screens total)
AMC Loew's Metreon 16 Cinemas
Century 8 Cinemas at SF Center
Landmark's Embarcadero 5 Cinemas

Partial List of Miscellaneous:
Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf(2)
Jamba Juice(4)
McDonald's(4)
Peet's(17)
Starbuck's(32)
Walgreen's(8)
7-11(4)

Restaurants:
In my research, I've discovered that there are at least 1,000 eateries and restaurants in Downtown. Its too exhaustive to look them all up and go through Google Maps street view. LOL.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Here is a partial list of stores in Downtown SF. Its a work in progress

Department Stores: 11
Barneys New York
Bloomingdale's
Burlington Coat Factory
Macy's & Macy's Men's Store
Marshall's
Neiman Marcus
Nordstrom
Ross
Saks Fifth Avenue & Saks Fifth Avenue Men's Store
Wilkes Bashford
Coming Soon: Target

From that list, I think most folks would only agree that five are department stores.

Ross, Marshalls and the like are nothing whatsoever like department stores.

Wilkes Bashford and the like are large boutiques.

If something isn't at least 200,000 square feet (and that's really conservative) it isn't really a traditional big city department store, IMO.

[Gordo]

^Which five are you counting? Are you not including Barneys? Barneys is smaller than Bloomingdale's, the two Saks stores, the two Macy's stores, Neiman Marcus, and Nordstrom, but I think you'd hard pressed to not call Barneys a department store.

I agree with you on the others though, even though the Ross and Burlington Coat Factory are probably over 200,000 square feet (the Burlington definitely is, the Ross is definitely the largest Ross in the chain, but might not be 200,000 sqft), they're not really department stores IMO.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Crawford

From that list, I think most folks would only agree that five are department stores.

Ross, Marshalls and the like are nothing whatsoever like department stores.

Wilkes Bashford and the like are large boutiques.

If something isn't at least 200,000 square feet (and that's really conservative) it isn't really a traditional big city department store, IMO.

I think the rules have changed a bit.

I get what your saying but Ross sells women's wear, men's wear, children's clothing, shoes, toys, furniture, perfume, jewelry, handbags and luggage...even pots and pans.

Furthermore, Target isnt really a traditional big city department store either.

I'll mainly agree with you about Wilkes Bashford, but it was SFs version of Barneys decades before Barneys opened here. BTW, Barneys NY in SF only has 65,000 sq ft of retail space according to Wiki so Im willing to give WB a pass.

[dimondpark]

Perhaps I should create another category for stores like Ross and Target?

Anywho, here are 2 pics of the Ross on Market and Fourth.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1357/...5fe9c024_b.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/...645987b5_b.jpg

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Gordo

^Which five are you counting? Are you not including Barneys? Barneys is smaller than Bloomingdale's, the two Saks stores, the two Macy's stores, Neiman Marcus, and Nordstrom, but I think you'd hard pressed to not call Barneys a department store.

Barneys I will agree is debatable. So maybe six department stores for SF is a fair number.

Barneys isn't really a traditional anchor department store.

If Wikipedia can be believed, the San Francisco Barneys has 65,000 ft. which is many times smaller than your traditional mall Sears or whatever, to say nothing of downtown flagships.

[Crawford]

I must say, though, SF has a very impressive retail core. I was surprised at the number of anchors, and the relative size of the anchors.

It could be argued that SF has the nation's #2 shopping core. Maybe even the continent's #2 shopping core. It's a debatable point, but I think it's a reasonable one.

[hammersklavier]

For that honor SF has to compete with Boston, Chicago, Toronto, Montréal, and Vancouver.

Anyway, here's a quick list of Center City Philadelphia anchors:
Alpha
Macy's (in Wanamaker Building)
Former Strawbridge's (vacant)
Boyds Philadelphia*

Beta
Kmart
Burlington Coat Factory
Daffy's
Ross
Rumored to be coming soon: Target, Walmart

Doesn't help us at all that we've got King of Prussia (the Northeast's #1 retail destination!) right in our backyard...sigh...
__________
*Think Barneys New York size and expense.

[J. Will]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Here is a partial list of stores in Downtown SF. Its a work in progress

Department Stores: 11
Barneys New York
Bloomingdale's
Burlington Coat Factory
Macy's & Macy's Men's Store
Marshall's
Neiman Marcus
Nordstrom
Ross
Saks Fifth Avenue & Saks Fifth Avenue Men's Store
Wilkes Bashford
Coming Soon: Target

You're really stretching the definition of "department store" here.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

For that honor SF has to compete with Boston, Chicago, Toronto, Montréal, and Vancouver.

Anyway, here's a quick list of Center City Philadelphia anchors:
Alpha
Macy's (in Wanamaker Building)
Former Strawbridge's (vacant)

Beta
Kmart
Burlington Coat Factory
Daffy's
Ross
Rumored to be coming soon: Target, Walmart

Doesn't help us at all that we've got King of Prussia (the Northeast's #1 retail destination!) right in our backyard...sigh...

Chicago and Toronto yes, Boston is another good comparison, Montreal and Vancouver I dont think so.

I really LIKE your distinguishing Alpha and Beta stores and calling them Anchors instead of Department Stores! That is excellent.

Originally Posted by J. Will

You're really stretching the definition of "department store" here.

I can see that and I think Hammersklavier has given me a better way of classifying stores.

[MolsonExport]

^Montreal is equal to Toronto in terms of downtown retail. Which is to say that it is very much a leading city in this regard, in terms of North America.


Vancouver would be much farther down the list. Yes, I lived there.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

^Montreal is equal to Toronto in terms of downtown retail. Which is to say that it is very much a leading city in this regard, in terms of North America.


Vancouver would be much farther down the list. Yes, I lived there.

'

Thanks.

Having been to Vancouver, I will say that its shopping is awesome, but I wouldnt put it on the same level of SF, Toronto or Montreal.

With respect to Montreal, I havent really shopped there but I'll take your word for it.

Ive been lost in Toronto's shopping scene on more than one occasion so I know that city has tons of excellent and varied shopping.

Usually we tend to talk about shopping in terms of the most elite and exclusive boutiques but I think a truly cohesive downtown shopping experience will give you a vast array of options in any budget range. Which I know Toronto, like SF, offers.

I remember a while ago I was shopping in DT SF and went to a really upscale boutique called Downtown(some of the clothing is nice but are largely hideous imo--a ripped knitted ladies jacket/shawl for $1,200? I think not) and then I walking back to the BART station I went into Ross and came out with an Ascot Chang shirt...don't know how the hell Ross got that but I didnt ask. LOL.

[Unity77]

I just found a list for downtown Minneapolis:
Macy’s
Neiman Marcus
Target
Saks “Off Fifth”
Marshalls
Brooks Brothers
Banana Republic
Gap
Gap Kids
Ann Taylor
Talbots
Men's Wearhouse
Len Druskin
LD Len Druskin
Hubert White
Pacifier
St. Croix Shop
JV & Company
Bahu Boutique
R.F. Moeller Jeweler
J. B Hudson Jewelers
AVEDA Lifesyle Store
JUUT Salonspa
Regis Salon
Cocoa & Fig
Indulge & Bloom
Presence
Radio Shack
Office Depot
FedEx Kinko's Office & Print Center
Target Commercial Interiors
Barnes & Noble
James & Mary Laurie Booksellers
Allen-Edmonds
Foot Locker
Whole Foods (coming soon)
Lunds (coming soon)