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Well the Chrysler has enjoyed its dominance for over 80 years, surely that's not about to change...
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Well the Chrysler has enjoyed its dominance for over 80 years, surely that's not about to change...
What One Vanderbilt has over the Chrysler Building in height, it will never have in beauty and grace.
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The classis will always remain monuments of great American achievement, but we must also give room for others to take the title. While I wish there was a return of art-deco, its just too expensive nowadays to build like that. Would I love it? Of course, but its super expensive, especially once you consider the price of just the land or current site.

Its to early to make assumptions that 1 Vanderbilt won't succeed on a psychological level or become an instant landmark until its finished and stands the test of time. After a couple of years, perhaps decades, we will see if it becomes a classic in the jungle that is NYC. 1 WTC integrated beautifully. I hope the same for this.
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Well the Chrysler has enjoyed its dominance for over 80 years, surely that's not about to change...
The Chrysler itslef will remain a landmark and an icon, just like the Woolworth building. But for "dominance", that's already changed, and will change dramatically once 1 Vanderbilt is built. Beyond that, there will be other towers built as tall or taller than Chrysler in the area with the passing of planned zoning for the area.
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What One Vanderbilt has over the Chrysler Building in height, it will never have in beauty and grace.
You don't know that, One Vanderbilt isn't built yet.

And of course the Chrysler Building is forever an instant classic. They don't make them like that anymore. It will continue to be on tourists wish lists.
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While I realize how the size of 1V has to cater around the wholesale modernization of GCS and environs, the tower's sheer size is the one thing IMO that lessens Lady Chrysler's presence in the immediate area.
I do hope also that whatever else gets built somehow creates some visual equilibrium in this regard.
Visually speaking, I eagerly await what comes down the road. Considering the unexpected surprises of the past year (and a half or so), it would behoove us all to keep our safety belts on and our coffee mugs at a safe distance from our computers.
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While I realize how the size of 1V has to cater around the wholesale modernization of GCS and environs, the tower's sheer size is the one thing IMO that lessens Lady Chrysler's presence in the immediate area.

That's what we're saying. Regardless of whatever the design of 1 Vanderbilt is, the Chrysler Building's presence will be lessened by the fact that it will no longer be as dominant in the area, with more towers to follow. It's a trend that has already been in the process overall in the skyline, with buildings like BofA and others already surpassing its peak. The building will be no less beautiful, because its design won't change. But this is no longer 1930's New York, and we shouldn't expect buildings that were built (nearing a century ago) to be the dominant towers on the skyline.
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Is the Vanderbilt Corridor the Future of East Midtown?




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East Midtown is New York’s premiere business district, supporting over 250,000 jobs. This 73-block neighborhood not only powers the regional economy, it contributes billions annually to the nation’s economic vitality. To ensure East Midtown maintains its global dominance as a business center, the Department of City Planning is proposing a bold new suite of zoning changes. Join a panel of expert insiders who will discuss the proposed vision for both the Vanderbilt Corridor and the One Vanderbilt building. They will explore what kind of future is currently being planned for East Midtown and how the Vanderbilt Corridor project might reinvigorate this aging commercial district.

Simeon Bankoff, Executive Director, Historic Districts Council
Dan Garodnick, New York City Council Member
Edith Hsu-Chen, NYC Department of City Planning Director for Manhattan
James von Klemperer, FAIA, President and Design Principal at KPF Associates
Margaret Newman, Executive Director of the Municipal Art Society
Charles V. Bagli (moderator), Reporter at The New York Times

Co-presented with the AIA New York Chapter | Center for Architecture, the Municipal Art Society and the Historic District Council.

Free for Museum, AIA and MAS members; $12 students/seniors; $16 general public.
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^ Should be some interesting discussion, though probably nothing different from what we've heard before from the usual suspects. But when this tower is built, we will remember that they at least did have the discussion.
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I love this tower.

It definitely has the most "iconic" potential out of all the supertalls proposed/under construction currently imo.
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And it will be the cities third tallest which is amazing. This will even eclipse the ESB pinnacle of 1,454 feet. Which in itself is very dominating.

The addition of 432 and 111 W. 57th St will help balance its height. Even if its several blocks south. Aesthetically from a far, it won't appear as if its by itself in the 400m category.
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A public hearing on the DEIS will be held on Wednesday, February 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM in the George Gustav Heye Center, National Museum of the American Indian, Alexander Hamilton U.S. Custom House, One Bowling Green, New York, NY 10004, in conjunction with the City Planning Commission’s citywide public hearing pursuant to ULURP.

The public hearing will consider a modification to the project (ULURP No. C 150130(A) ZSM), as described below. Comments are requested on the DEIS and will be accepted until Tuesday, February 17, 2015.
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Builder, Architect, Critics Dissect Megatower One Vanderbilt





January 21, 2015
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Zoning, said Times reporter Charles Bagli, is "one of the most arcane topics you could ever imagine. Soporific if there ever was one." Yet a crowd packed the lobby of the Museum of the City of New York last night to hear a discussion of the rezoning of East Midtown—in particular, the five-block stretch of directly west of Grand Central dubbed the Vanderbilt Corridor. The centerpiece of that stretch is a proposed office tower called One Vanderbilt, a 1,500-foot-tall behemoth that developer Hines wants to build at the corner of 42nd Street and Vanderbilt Avenue in exchange for $210 million worth of transportation upgrades to the area.

Getting the building approved has been no easy task, what with community boards and neighbors being how they are, so last night's panel brought together One Vanderbilt's owner and designer as well as more community-focused representatives to duke it out over whether the tower's girth will be worth the benefit to the neighborhood.

Hines' Tommy Craig, Kohn Pedersen Fox president James von Klemperer, City Planning's Manhattan director Edith Hsu-Chen, City Council member Dan Gardonick, and Municipal Art Society executive director Margaret Newman all expressed views of the tower that, understandably, reflected their separate camps. Here's a handy recap, with each person's best quotes of the night.

Developer Craig said: The building should get built.

· "We think about policy through perspective of private sector."
· "We're going to pursue high density. If not here, where? If not now, when?
· "That, plus the opportunity to combine open space next to Grand Central."

Architect Klemperer said: The building should get built, and it will be beautiful, too.

· "What is most important, at the base of the building, is the way the development gives back."
· "It ultimately flatters the architecture of the landmark next door."

City planner Hsu-Chen said: The building should get built, because Midtown East needs new office space to stay competitive. And the rest of Midtown East should be rezoned, too.

· "It's really, really important that East Midtown have state-of-the-art new-construction space."
· "This particular proposal proposes an increase in FAR only through discretionary review."
· "A new special permit that would allow a floor area bonus if major improvements to transit and pedestrian system made. [They're] outlined up front before the floor area bonus is granted."
· A central tenet of the rezoning proposal in general is "facilitating and increasing the ability for landmarks in Grand Central sub-district to transfer their unused development rights to a receiving site, which can go up to 30 FAR."

Politician Garodnick said: The building should get built if and only if the neighborhood receives enough benefits to make it worth it.

· "I represent the area from 14th to 97th streets, mostly on the East Side. While I agree that the world is not falling apart as a result of the current state of East Midtown, it is clear that it has gotten less competitive, and ... largely because the zoning rules, there is no incentive for anyone to ever do anything with these buildings."
· "I was very critical of the last proposal of the Bloomberg administration. I thought that the last proposal gave a lot of certainty to the development community and not a lot of certainty to the public."
· "The discretionary review process for the public [which every new building in the rezoned district would have to go through] gives us what we lacked. Every site would have to go through discretionary review to evaluate whether density that is being requested is deserving based on what infrastructure improvements are being proposed. We're in a better place today then we were last year."

MAS's Newman said: The building should get built if and only if development is responsible, it doesn't look hideous, and the neighborhood receives enough benefits to make it worth it.

· We look at the "impact of tall buildings and new construction on city, on view corridors and on the skyline."
· "These are really large buildings. Some of them are quite beautiful, some of them are not."
· It will have a "harmonious relationship to Grand Central."
· "The base is set back further than the current building, allows views of GCT."
· "The transit hall [of One Vanderbilt] gives access to East Side Access. Both the MTA and the city don't have money to do things to integrate the new transportation. If that isn't built, then the whole way people get in to the East Side Access is problematic. It's an important piece of infrastructure that needs to be built.

The building hopes to finish its review process this spring and start construction, while the Midtown East Rezoning steering committee wants to issue its recommendations in the spring.
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1,500-Foot One Vanderbilt Is One Step Closer To Reality


January 30, 2015
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Manhattan borough president Gale Brewer has come forth with her support for One Vanderbilt, the mega-tower proposed alongside a rezoning for a small pocket of Midtown East. Both proposals are currently in the midst of the city's labyrinthine thisapproval process and are naturally getting both shade and endorsements from just about everyone with a voice.

Brewer's support comes with the announcement that her office has negotiated with developer SL Green to extract a few more benefits to the community from the builders behind the proposed 1,500-foot-tall office tower.

Brewer's office negotiated reforming the building's plaza to improve its public appeal and access, rather to construct a place that serves One Vanderbilt's office workers. Improvements include doors to the building's ground-floor retail section that open onto the plaza.

SL Green has also agreed to pay for maintenance of the plaza, and to throw some money into a reserve fund to continue maintenance of the area over time. Brewer also asked SL Green to make the already-criticized transit hall a friendlier place to commuters by including benches and restrooms in the transit corridor. The entrance to the subway on the corner of Vanderbilt Avenue and 42nd Street will be enlarged.

For other proposed buildings that will eventually have to undergo the discretionary review process down the line, the office has also succeeded in tweaking the text of what it takes to get a special permit to build larger than as-of-right. Basically, Brewer wants floor area ratio bonuses given to builders to seriously hinge upon the transit improvements that the builders are proposing in exchange for the increased density. Brewer's statement also said the office has increased the emphasis on sustainability, and has required all applicants describe anticipated maintenance plans for public improvements early on in the review process.

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UPDATE: SL Green has issued a response to Gale Brewer's statement.

We are extremely pleased to have the support of Borough President Brewer for this transformative development, which is poised to deliver $210 million in public improvements in and around Grand Central Terminal. We've worked side by side with Borough President Brewer on refining important elements of this plan and we look forward to working with the City Planning Commission and Council Member Garodnick as the proposal proceeds through ULURP.

Thank you to Borough President Brewer, her staff and to our partner organizations at the Coalition for a Better Grand Central, all of whom support improving the commute for the hundreds of thousands of daily riders that use the terminal.



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City Chips Away at Beaux Arts Heart of Manhattan
Brouhaha over development near Grand Central Terminal could be an object lesson for other cities.






By Cara Greenberg
January 30, 2015


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Grand Central Terminal, now polished and celebrated, has suffered many indignities since its 1913 opening on 42nd Street and Park Avenue. The two most notorious: having the monolithic 59-story Pan Am (now MetLife) Building wedged between it and the distinctive 1929 New York Central (now Helmsley) Building just one block north, in the early 1960s; and Donald Trump’s late ‘70s transformation of the adjacent Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt, a black glass edifice wildly unsympathetic to the stately monument to the east on 42nd Street.

t’s in that context that preservationists are dismayed about Grand Central’s future next-door neighbor to the west, which is almost certain to be Midtown’s tallest tower, Kohn Pedersen Fox’s (KPF) One Vanderbilt , a 1,450-foot glass skyscraper with an asymmetrical façade. Occupying the block bounded by 42nd Street, 43rd Street, Vanderbilt, and Madison Avenues, the new tower will replace several historic buildings, including the 1912, 200-foot masonry structure at 51 East 42nd Street by Warren & Wetmore, Grand Central’s architects, the last of the remaining original buildings designed to frame the station in a complementary Beaux Arts style.

...SL Green intends to demolish the Vanderbilt Avenue building, along with other venerable structures on the same block, including 317 Madison (Carrere & Hastings, 1922) and 331 Madison (Charles Berg, 1911, and Van Alen & Severance, 1924). The major retail tenant at 51 East 42nd, Modell’s sporting goods store, leaves next month, and there are plans to break ground for One Vanderbilt later this year, says Andrea Goldwyn, Director of Public Policy for the New York Landmarks Conservancy.

...If the Vanderbilt Corridor rezoning proposal goes through, as many expect, other historic structures in the Vanderbilt Corridor, including the 1,015-room Roosevelt Hotel (George B. Post, 1924) at Madison Avenue and 45th Street, last of the grande dame hotels that once surrounded the station, and the 22-story, limestone-faced Yale Club (James Gamble Rogers, 1915) could be next in line.

“The Vanderbilt Corridor rezoning plan is moving ahead and seems to have the support of the [de Blasio] administration,” Goldwyn says. “If the plan is approved, and potential for much larger development made available, that will become an option building owners have to consider.” Says Philip K. Howard, a lawyer who is Chair Emeritus of the Municipal Arts Society and author of several books on public policy (The Rule of Nobody, The Death of Common Sense): “My instinct is that the new zoning would be the end of the Roosevelt, and perhaps the Yale Club.”

At a January 20 panel discussion titled “Is the Vanderbilt Corridor the Future of East Midtown?,” held at the Museum of the City of New York (MCNY), moderator Charles V. Bagli, a New York Times real estate reporter, raised the specter of Dubai-like towers potentially looming not just over Grand Central Station but even obliterating the nearby Chrysler Building, designed by William Van Alen and completed in 1930.

James von Klemperer, president and design principal at KPF, defended the new tower’s design, assuring the audience that One Vanderbilt—43,000 square feet at the base, tapering to 15,000 square feet on the upper floors—“has visual porosity on the skyline. It slims down to something very delicate at the top.” In the architect’s view, “Next to Grand Central is a great place for a marker of great height. It’s a dancing partner for the Chrysler Building, appropriate for its place.


Edith Hsu-Chen, director of the Manhattan Office of the NYC Department of City Planning, voiced the city’s concern that without the new upzoning, the aging buildings of the Midtown East district, Vanderbilt Corridor included, will be even less competitive with new state-of-the-art office construction in Hudson Yards and the Financial District.

“The current zoning doesn’t respect the needs of the city,” said the Hon. Daniel R. Garodnick, a New York City Council member whose district includes all of Midtown East, a 73-block area surrounding Grand Central. He regards the Vanderbilt Corridor proposal, in which the city stands to gain infrastructure improvements in exchange for increased FAR, as a decent alternative to “unfettered as-of-right development” (that does not require review or approval by City Planning), “which would be the other extreme.”
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It's a near-perfect compliment to the Chrysler Building. 20th century respectfully yielding to the 21st, while still maintaining some serious dominance. At any rate, if a marker is all they want, there's gotta be a cheaper way

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Those people just don't get it. They want to "preserve" the skyine, freeze New York into a moment of time to their liking. But sadly (for them), that's not how it works.


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...preservationists are dismayed about Grand Central’s future next-door neighbor to the west, which is almost certain to be Midtown’s tallest tower

It won't be Midtown's tallest, but regardless, where would they expect such a building to rise? On Queens Blvd?

Ridiculous.


Meanwhile, Brewer's approval came early, so we've at least got that out of the way.


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Well they shouldn't tear down or alter every building out there, that's for sure. Specifically in historic New York City (skylines in many other American cities are far less historic!) But this site and location seem ripe for something modern and tall. All the other tall buildings that are in the area now will remain as is. It's not like One Vanderbilt is taking everyone's favorites away. More like a bunch of low rise questionably remarkable buildings.
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City Chips Away at Beaux Arts Heart of Manhattan
Brouhaha over development near Grand Central Terminal could be an object lesson for other cities.


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That's rich considering the the Met Life building squats right over the damn station.
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Like if many other cities are in the same circumstances and magnitude like this...
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Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer’s hard-earned, conditional approval of SL Green’s One Vanderbilt represents a major step forward for the proposed $1 billion-plus tower.

And it puts Andrew Penson’s Argent Ventures in a pickle. Penson, who owns Grand Central Terminal air rights, has threatened to sue the city for not requiring developer SL Green to buy the rights from him.

Now in the city’s review process, One Vanderbilt would rise on the block bounded by Madison and Vanderbilt avenues and by 42nd and 43rd streets. The linchpin of a rezoning initiative for Vanderbilt Avenue, it requires a special permit for its 67 stories and 1.3 million square feet — much larger than current zoning allows.

Penson bought the next-door terminal’s air rights for $61 a square foot eight years ago, and believes that SL Green should be required to buy the rights from him for up to $400 a square foot.

The city instead proposed that larger buildings in the area can go up in exchange for transit and infrastructure upgrades paid for by developers. SL Green pledged $210 million for the improvements.

The project involves no subsidies or tax breaks. With Brewer’s backing for the plan, Penson appears increasingly isolated. One Vanderbilt enjoys support from City Hall, transit advocates, business groups and labor unions. It’s also tentatively endorsed by Council Member Dan Garodnick, who reps the district.

The City Planning Commission will hold a public hearing on it Wednesday morning. The CPC will vote at the end of March — the penultimate step before a City Council vote in May.

Brewer’s agreement with SL Green calls for additional community benefits, including improvements to a public plaza on Vanderbilt Avenue; plaza maintenance to be paid for by SL Green; and a guarantee that a new transit hall would be a “true passenger waiting area with benches and bathrooms.”

SL Green said it “worked side by side with [Brewer] on refining” of the plan.
“We hope the Planning Commission and City Council reach a resolution that doesn’t violate anyone’s constitutional rights, but if not, we’ll take the necessary steps to protect the rights the US Supreme Court granted Grand Central,” an Argent rep said.
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