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[cyked3]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

I like gentrification, don’t get me wrong. Hell, I benefit from it, and I truly feel the city does too.

This may open up a larger discussion, but I actually feel that the biggest mistake people who believe in free market economics did was to not be very inviting to people of color (other than Asians). It’s a mistake whose chickens are coming home to roost today, and yes, in rare form I do blame the white male establishment for blowing it on this one.

It would’ve been wise, years ago, to have indoctrinated more Hispanics and African Americans to the power of free market economics. Less regulation, more entrepreneurship, the benefits of competition, etc. Instead it looks like a majority of people of color have moved ideologically towards embracing Socialism as the path to a better society.

The problem we run into is when half our society wants Socialism and the other half doesn’t—especially when these divisions fall on racial lines, and this division is especially stark in Chicago.

Had more opportunities for advancement and more embracing (instead of demonizing) free enterprise occurred among minority communities, I believe that even our north lakefront neighborhoods would be more diverse than they are today.

LOL at the idea that white people are free market purists.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ns/1512757002/

[emathias]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Chicago is unfortunately an ethnic cluster town, which is too bad.

And it need not be an economic prosperity thing either. New York is a great example. Manhattan, one of the wealthiest places on earth, is still more diverse than Lakeview:

White 65.2%
—Non-Hispanic 47.6%
Black or African American 18.4%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 25.8%
Asian 12.0%

Of course a place that has 2 million people will be more diverse than a neighborhood with 100,000. What's the diversity in Battery Park or Murray Hill (both 67% white)? I mean, seriously, the Upper East Side is 78% white. Or the North Lakefront from Near North through Rogers Park? Either of those would be better comparisons.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by cyked3

LOL at the idea that white people are free market purists.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ns/1512757002/

Obviously I’m not silly enough to ever think that an entire ethnic group all shares the exact same political ideology. Why did I even have to explain that?

[SIGSEGV]

Architectural Artifacts Closing After 31 Years
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/reta...after-31-years

[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by Stockerzzz

Yet when less than 1,000 additional white people move into Pilsen over a 13-year period we get articles like this:

Can you explain in your own words the point you think this article is making? I see that the overall population of Pilsen fell significantly (15%), but the amount white folks increased (22%). They also point out that those white residents tend to be single and wealthier. This is all factual data from the census.

What do you disagree with? How does this prove that gentrification is race-based and not class-based?

If you bothered to read the report the article is based on you would have seen this conclusion:

Rather than a case of Latino-on-Latino gentrification, Pilsen appears to be assuming the classical form of White-on-White gentrification with some participation by well-off Latinos

[bnk]

Urbanguy thread provides a lot of data.


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=235932&page=6

Originally Posted by Urbanguy

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Image Source: ericbowersphoto.com

Top 50 Non-United States countries or places of birth
*Puerto Rico included in Top 50 (but not considered foreign-born)

Chicago, United States 2017

1 México (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) 639,520
2 India (Bhārat) 146,819
3 Poland (Polska) 134,324
4 Philippines (Pilipinas), Republic of the 82,178
5 China, People's Republic of 61,315
6 Puerto Rico 49,993
7 Korea, Republic of (South) 36,533
8 Pakistan 30,111
9 Ukraine 26,943
10 Guatemala 26,343

11 Vietnam (Việt Nam), Socialist Republic of 21,994
12 Italy (Italia) 18,660
13 Germany (Deutschland) 18,542
14 Ecuador 18,127
15 Nigeria 16,801
16 Romania (România) 16,604
17 Russian Federation (Russia) 16,554
18 Canada 15,778
19 United Kingdom 15,135
20 Honduras 13,683

21 Greece (Hellenic Republic) 13,401
22 Bulgaria (Balgariya) 13,101
23 Iraq 12,962
24 Colombia 12,916
25 Lithuania (Lietuva) 12,076
26 El Salvador 11,805
27 Bosnia and Herzegovina 9,481
28 Jordan (Al Urdun) 9,107
29 Japan 8,716
30 Syrian Arab Republic (Syria) 8,223

31 Jamaica 7,591
32 Cuba 7,509
33 Perú 7,495
34 Ireland, Republic of (Éire) 6,760
35 Egypt, Arab Republic of 6,514
36 Taiwan 6,472
37 Ghana 6,430
38 Serbia (Srbija) 5,858
39 China, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region) 5,682
40 Belarus 5,486

41 Brasil 5,480
42 Saudi Arabia 5,432
43 Iran, Islamic Republic of 5,420
44 Thailand 5,294
45 Czechoslovakia, former 5,290
46 Belize 4,672
47 Israel (Yisra'el) 4,663
48 Croatia (Hrvatska) 4,277
49 Argentine Republic (Argentina) 4,270
50 Moldova, Republic of 4,139

Total Foreign-born: 1,734,662
CSA Population: 9,901,356

U.S. Island Areas (Guam, USVI, American Samoa, CNMI) 1,223
*Chicago has the largest Poland-born population of any metro area in all of the Americas.

Top 40 newly added legal permanent residents by country of birth

Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI 2017

1 Mexico 9,596
2 India 3,713
3 China, People's Republic 1,793
4 Philippines 1,667
5 Poland 1,504
6 Pakistan 1,123
7 Ukraine 1,090
8 Nigeria 679
9 Vietnam 646
10 Jordan 624

11 Korea, South 582
12 Iraq 518
13 Burma 439
14 Moldova 439
15 Bulgaria 417
16 Guatemala 355
17 Albania 352
18 Syria 350
19 Russia 348
20 Romania 335

21 Ecuador 326
22 United Kingdom 318
23 Colombia 299
24 Serbia 291
25 Canada 285
26 Iran 279
27 Ghana 274
28 Malaysia 255
29 Ethiopia 240
30 Nepal 229

31 Yemen 229
32 Brazil 210
33 Lithuania 207
34 Egypt 201
35 Jamaica 200
36 Congo, Democratic Republic 197
37 El Salvador 196
38 Honduras 184
39 Afghanistan 174
40 Dominican Republic 170

Total CBSA/MSA or Combined Tallied & Represented of CSA above: 36,832
Total CSA or MSA Legal Permanent Residents: 37,092
Total Legal Permanent Residents by Country of Birth
Source: U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

...we've got three more to go for tonight...but those are the big three overall population-wise.

Got a few comments like.

Originally Posted by Capsicum

Chicago's interesting as it's one of the few (big) cities in the US with still European-origin immigration significantly making it in the top 10 (Poland and Ukraine).

I don't think that any other major cities stateside have Europeans still immigrating proportionally that much.

(I know in terms of cities in Canada, the UK and Australia, European source countries can still make the list, but stateside, these immigrant sources have generally fallen behind Asia and the Americas as places of origin)

and

Originally Posted by JManc

Obligatory...

• Video Link

You have to have to view it on the video link. Seinfeld was a hell of a series. One of the best sitcom's ever.


BTW

I come from Ukraine. Ukraine not weak.

[cyked3]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Obviously I’m not silly enough to ever think that an entire ethnic group all shares the exact same political ideology. Why did I even have to explain that?

Your explanation is a straw man argument. The point is that your original post, which I quoted above, you asserted that entire ethnic groups are collectively less committed to "free market economics" than other groups. That's BS.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by cyked3

Your explanation is a straw man argument. The point is that your original post, which I quoted above, you asserted that entire ethnic groups are collectively less committed to "free market economics" than other groups. That's BS.

Sorry, but I vehemently and wholeheartedly disagree with you, and will stand by what I said.

Dont even bother responding. You will waste everybody's time.

[LouisVanDerWright]

LSNA is openly race oriented (I'll hold my tongue on using harsher language). They even show up to corners of Avondale that are mostly Polish and white and tell them that they are oppressing minorities because they are ok with a Starbucks drive thru going up in a planet fitness parking lot...

Most of these anti gentrification groups are really just pining for a handout for their own special interests, they aren't actually interested in proper urban planning or pragmatic solutions to create more affordable units, they are interested in preserving a state of disinvestment so that no one has to move no matter how f-ed up their building is. Then they are outraged when ten children die in a fire because landlords have no rights and evictions, even in half abandoned buildings that are being hammered in city code cases, take 6-12 months.

I shit you not, I just had the police call me about a building I bought that was filled with criminal, problem, tenants that Rosa was just personally criticizing me for evicting. These people literally lived in their own filth (literally shit on the floor and they would lock a pitbull that they beat until breaking both of its hind legs on separate occasions under the stairwell closet like dog harry potter) with basically a brown stained mattress in the middle of piles of trash. I guess his opinion of these "helpless poor people" changed after a few dozen complaints from all the neighbors due to the rampant drug dealing, loud domestic disturbances including dog beating, and literally the girlfriend throwing dog shit at the neighbors who told them to pick it up after letting their dog shit on the sidewalk.

Now Rosa is upset with me for not evicting them quickly enough, upset enough to have the police reach out to me personally to tell me that I "am not screening tenants enough". Luckily for me the evictions finally went through the week before the cops got involved, but it's very confusing as to whether the communist wants me to eliminate criminal elements in the area or to "help the poor people", i.e. let the gangbangers keep living in the building. As his chief of staff once said to one of the neighbors who called to complain "gangbangers need a place to live too"...

[the urban politician]

That shitbag Rosa's gotta go

[Vlajos]

I can't stand Rosa. He is reason #1 to decrease the size of the city council.

[Baronvonellis]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Architectural Artifacts Closing After 31 Years
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/reta...after-31-years

Too bad they are closing, but I don't know how they stayed in business this long. It was a cool place to hangout on a saturday afternoon, but everything there was super overpriced and expensive. Some small decorative terra cotta piece that would have been fun to buy at $100 would cost $1000. I never saw anyone buy anything there. Lately, they seemed mostly to host weddings, and weekend browsers. Had to have been expensive just to keep the lights and heat on in their massive building.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Baronvonellis

Too bad they are closing, but I don't know how they stayed in business this long. It was a cool place to hangout on a saturday afternoon, but everything there was super overpriced and expensive. Some small decorative terra cotta piece that would have been fun to buy at $100 would cost $1000. I never saw anyone buy anything there. Lately, they seemed mostly to host weddings, and weekend browsers. Had to have been expensive just to keep the lights and heat on in their massive building.

Sun Times reported that they will still have a retail store, just smaller. I think the people buying from them aren't "shoppers".

https://chicago.suntimes.com/enterta...tuart-grannen/

[cyked3]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Sorry, but I vehemently and wholeheartedly disagree with you, and will stand by what I said.

Dont even bother responding. You will waste everybody's time.

Ok, chief.

[10023]

Originally Posted by Zerton

This is Chicago - the rich are still drinking malort in a Bears hoodie.

Does anyone really drink malort more than once to say they’ve done it?

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by 10023

Does anyone really drink malort more than once to say they’ve done it?

I had malort for the first time 3 months ago.

That was it for me!

[ChiHi]

[QUOTE=SolarWind;8352029]October 15, 2018



Ah Chicago... Where people will pay a few hundred dollars extra to drink in a glorified ice shanty....

[Notyrview]

Wait what? it costs a hundreds of dollars to sit there?

[ChiHi]

Originally Posted by Notyrview

Wait what? it costs a hundreds of dollars to sit there?

There's a fee to book and then it's like $85 minimum tab per person. Had a client want to go there last fall and kind of felt like a dumbass sitting in that thing. Then felt like a bigger dumbass when the bill came.

[Zerton]

Originally Posted by 10023

Does anyone really drink malort more than once to say they’ve done it?

I actually kind of like it. It really just tastes like grapefruit rind to me. So if you're someone who likes bitter flavors you might like Malort.
It was made by a Swedish immigrant and apparently there are lots of similar liquors there.