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Old Posted: Apr 14, 2013, 12:51 AM
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not a high rise

Too bad could've been 25+stories but they wimped out.
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Old Posted: Apr 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
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Old Posted: Apr 20, 2013, 3:23 AM
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It actually looks pretty crappy compared to the original renderings, http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthr...-4-9s-Lintack)

Ugly concrete block, ugly stucco, ugly metal cladding on top. Nowhere near as nice as the Core Urban or W lofts.
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I give it a passing grade but yeah, it's not great. I like what's happening around the roofline but the rest of it's sh*te - looks really cheap. On the other hand, like you said, W Lofts and Core Urban have surpassed expectations. All that stucco won't age well either.
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I think it's just too top heavy.
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The design they've chosen probably lends itself more to a much taller building - it looks like they've just chopped the top off a skyscraper. That said, there are some interesting moderne/ deco features happening there and the roof's OK, too. I'm more concerned with how it'll age with all that stucco. Perhaps they'll make some adjustments to the second tower.
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The design they've chosen probably lends itself more to a much taller building - it looks like they've just chopped the top off a skyscraper. That said, there are some interesting moderne/ deco features happening there and the roof's OK, too. I'm more concerned with how it'll age with all that stucco. Perhaps they'll make some adjustments to the second tower.
It's a shame that they didn't build twice as tall instead of having two stubby buildings. (Always felt the same way about the CIBC towers--why not just one sleek tower?)

What exactly is this city so scared of when it comes to height? Then there's the hideous 21 Century building that is pretty tall, which just figures: ugly and alone and highly visible.

The views of the city and lake with a single tall City Square building would've been great. We need taller condos that are visible as part of the skyline. It's good advertising.
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Old Posted: May 8, 2013, 3:14 PM
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Zoning Change:

There is a sign up on the property saying that the developer, New Horizon, is requesting a zoning change for a row of four-storey townhouses (phase 3) to a 17 storey tower.
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Durand Neighbourhood 'Betrayed' By New Horizon Rezoning Application

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However, a few weeks ago, with no warning or consultation, residents discovered a sign on the small corner lot saying Horizon was requesting a zoning change from a row of four-storey townhouses to a 17 storey tower - about twice as tall as the two other towers, and on a much smaller parcel of land.
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Old Posted: May 8, 2013, 3:43 PM
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There is a sign up on the property saying that the developer, New Horizon, is requesting a zoning change for a row of four-storey townhouses (phase 3) to a 17 storey tower.
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Just thinking back through this thread and remembering that the four-storey townhouses were changed to a 9 storey tower a long time ago. Jon Dalton's photo shows the foot-print for all 3 towers.

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So this isn't going from 4 to 17 storeys. It is going from 9 to 17. And it isn't such a 'Betrayal' that raisethehammer is making it look like. Just a simple height increase to meet demand. Developers in Hamilton don't have any other choice to increase the height of their developments other than this way. If they propose tall in the first place, the proposal gets shot down. New Horizon wanted to go taller in the first place, but the crazy height restrictions wouldn't let them, so they had to start off with short towers and increase the height to where they originally wanted it by getting the city used to the taller developments...

I hope that the height increase gets approved
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Old Posted: May 8, 2013, 5:01 PM
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What you don't know is that last year, New Horizon changed their plans to build two additional stories on the second tower and change the third tower to a row of townhouses. It was a trade off, the extra height of the second building would economically compensate for the lower density of the third. This plan was approved by the city with the support of the neighbourhood.

I always, always advocate for less restrictions on height and density in favour of performance based urban design criteria. I think developers should be able to go nuts and make as much money as they can if they are bringing people downtown and make it a better place. This time, I will have to side with the neighbourhood association. There was a collaborative plan for a high density, profitable development that also fit in with the neighbourhood, and this plan was thrown out behind the backs of those who helped it succeed.
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Yeah, by and large, everybody's pleased with the way Vancouver's turned out and it's one skyscraper after another in the city centre; thanks to design, you wouldn't even know you were surrounded by a wall of glass. Don't get me wrong, it's far from perfect but it's pretty damned good. Those commie blocks in Durand have done terrible damage to the neighbourhood, so it's understandable they'd be concerned; however, it's not the scale of those buildings that's the problem, it's the design. If done in a Vancouver-esque way - residential podium, set-backs, etc. - it would be fine.
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Honestly it is a 17 storey building and not a particularly big one. I'm excited that more people with disposable income will be living in the area. That should help out the stores on James South since they're a stone's throw away..
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I'm going to post the original design link here again so people can understand the problem: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthr...e-4-9s-Lintack)

Apparently they've also taken out green space between towers one and two for visitor parking.

The towers will already bring in lots of people with income. Why not make them nice so that these people stick around?
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Durand residents oppose 17-floor condo complex
Developer says original four-storey plan is not feasible

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...w-horizon.html

Some Durand residents are upset that a planned 17-storey condo tower is not what was promised.

Worried residents of the historic downtown neighbourhood packed a room at Ryerson Recreation Centre last week to hear more about the third phase of a development from New Horizon Development Group between Charlton Avenue West and Robinson Street.

Members of the Durand Neighbourhood Association say that a 1996 agreement between the association, the city and a previous owner of the property calls for a row of four-storey townhouses on the property. The association also says that it actively promoted slightly increasing the size of the other two towers to accommodate New Horizon. Now it feels hoodwinked.

“Our position is that enough is enough, and it was supposed to be four stories,” said Janice Brown, association president. “I'm dumbfounded, to tell you the truth.”

New Horizon Development Group held the public meeting last week in response to the questions from neighbours about the downtown complex, which is known as City Square. The project is the last of a three-building development worth about $70 million.

The first tower, located at 90 Charlton St. W., is nine floors and 76 units. The second, located at 85 Robinson St., will be 11 stories and 99 units, said Jeff Paikin, president of New Horizon Development Group. That project is at least 14 months away from completion.

"We're not NIMBY in this neighbourhood," resident says

The property has changed hands several times since the original site plan agreement, Paikin said. And New Horizon has informed Durand residents that four stories isn't feasible.

“One thing we repeatedly told members of the Durand Neighbourhood Association is that building a four-storey building that close to the roadway and the sidewalks was financially impossible,” he said.

In a letter to city staff on May 8, Brown writes that the 17-year-old settlement is binding on all subsequent owners. And despite a session of slides, questions and comments from the audience, she's less clear than ever about why the building is 17 stories.

“We're not NIMBY in this neighbourhood,” she said. “We do not oppose development. But you need balance and we truly, truly believed we had a great site plan in place that made sense with the built environment.”

New Horizon must apply to have the property rezoned before it proceeds with the building. In the letter to the city, the association implores councillors to deny it.

Coun. Jason Farr, who attended the New Horizon meeting, says he's talking to residents.

“I'm concerned if a large majority of residents are concerned,” he said. “That's certainly where I'm at right now.”

Farr is happy with the first phase of the development, which “looks fantastic,” he said.

He was “a little” surprised when he heard that the plan was 17 stories. But he also attended a recent community meeting where Paikin said four stories wasn't economically feasible, he said.

“It doesn't have to be a massive, ugly protest,” Farr said. “I think Mr. Paikin has the ability to be very diplomatic. I think here's a guy who rented a big room and said to the entire community 'Here are the plans.'”

Farr said his vote on rezoning would also depend on what city staff, such as its planners and traffic engineers, advise.

“I've learned from past experience that it's best to just gather as much information as possible and let both sides have a conversation.”

Paikin is a lifelong resident of Hamilton, and his parents live in the neighbourhood. He believes the project is a boon for downtown, and promotes appropriate urban intensification.

He said he's interested in reaching an agreement with the residents.

“The simple answer is that we're listening to every concern,” he said. “Some of them we can do something with and some of them are just a necessary evil to the process.”

“We're not intentionally doing anything underhanded. In fact, it's quite the opposite.”

About 80 residents attended the meeting.

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