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Treitz Haus (in Moncton) is estimated to have been built in 1772, making it pre-Revolutionary and 242 years old.
I just checked with Wikipedia and I was a little off in when the Treitz Haus was built. Apparently it is believed to have been built in 1769, not 1772 and is thus 245 years old. It is the oldest building in New Brunswick.

1769 - Treitz Haus (Moncton)
1784 - John Dunn House (Saint Andrews)
1785 - Odell House (Fredericton)
1787 - Smyth House (Fredericton)
1790 - Samuel Andrews House (Ministers Island)
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Waterloo's oldest is the Erb-Kumpf House, the first section of which was built in 1812 by Abraham Erb, the founder of Waterloo. It now houses a law firm.



In Kitchener, it's the Joseph Schneider Haus, built in 1816 by another of the early Mennonites settlers from Pennsylvania. It is now a living museum, restored to reflect life as it would have been in the mid-1850s.

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I wonder what the oldest building in Canada is? somewhere in Quebec I'm sure.
Yes. Quebec boasts a surprising number of 17th century buildings.

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Yes. Quebec boasts a surprising number of 17th century buildings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ings_in_Canada
It's crazy that the list for Quebec basically stops considering buildings by the late 1600s (sorry, but that 1744 house from Rimouski has no business being on that list) while the Manitoba list for example has buildings from the 1900s and 1910s on it!
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Atlantic Canada was settled at about the same time as Quebec. Granted, Port Royale dates back to 1605, but that was essentially just the Habitation. The Acadian communities in the Maritimes were mostly just marshland villages along the shores of the Bay of Fundy and didn't really start taking off in terms of population until the 1680's or so. By this time Quebec had already superceded Acadia in importance and population.

I will grant you though that wood construction practices in Acadia were not as durable as the stone in Quebec, which is why we don't have the same number of historic buildings as they do.

This building is in Quidi Vidi Village in St. John's and is from the 18th century

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The Mallard Cottage, an 18th Century Irish-Newfoundland vernacular style cottage, is recognized as a National Historic Site of Canada, as being one of the oldest wooden buildings in North America
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St. John's was established before the 1600s however the first recorded permanent residents were from that time period but it's known that people were living there year round illegally prior to this.

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St. John's recorded the first permanent settlers in this period in the early 1600s with a family named Oxford establishing a plantation, probably in the area west of Beck's Cove...

...St. John's performed this role throughout the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries as the major commercial and service centre for the Newfoundland fishery. However, since Newfoundland functioned primarily as a fishery, as opposed to a place of residence, the population of St. John's increased slowly over most of this period.

The port's importance as a major part of the fishery made it a prime military target for any nation wishing to gain control over this important food supply. The earliest record of these battles dates back to 1555 when the Basques travelled overland to capture St. John's from the French. Over 100 years later, in June 1665, the great Dutch naval strategist Admiral De Ruyter captured St. John's from the English. Commencing in the late seventeenth century and running throughout most of the eighteenth century, the English and French engaged in a series of wars which saw St. John's used frequently as a battle ground. The last of these battles occurred in 1762 when the British recaptured St. John's from the French after a brief fight...
However we built almost everything out of wood and our lovely fires and wars were not kind to the early years. There was big growth during the Napoleonic Wars due to the increase in demand for salt fish in Europe which had our population at about 10,000 by 1815. Then

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St. John's, now the commercial and political capital of Newfoundland grew slowly throughout the nineteenth century. Ravaged by three fires in 1816, 1846 and 1892, the town recovered and rebuilt after each fire.
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http://www.stjohns.ca/living-st-john...john%E2%80%99s

Sorry I don't mean to rant haha the thread has sparked an interest so I did some looking into some history
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Pretty much everything we had in Stephenville prior to 1940 was demolished when the Americans built the air base. There may be a couple houses from the early 20th century, but that's it. Everything else is late 40s onward.

Prior to that the population hadn't even reached 1000 people so there wasn't much built that was substantial anyway except for the Catholic church, and that burned down in the 70s.
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Sorry I don't mean to rant haha the thread has sparked an interest so I did some looking into some history
I think I speak for everyone when I say that any amount of historical info anyone wants to share is going to always be more than welcome in this thread!
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Are any of the buildings at L'Anse aux Meadows considered whole enough to count on here or are they all reconstructions?
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It's crazy that the list for Quebec basically stops considering buildings by the late 1600s (sorry, but that 1744 house from Rimouski has no business being on that list) while the Manitoba list for example has buildings from the 1900s and 1910s on it!
The Manitoba list is not remotely close to being an accurate list of the oldest buildings in the province, although with the exception of Fort Prince of Wales there would be nothing earlier than the 1820s as far as I know.
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Are any of the buildings at L'Anse aux Meadows considered whole enough to count on here or are they all reconstructions?
because they're so old and were abandoned, I think it was mainly under the earth and foundations of the buildings.


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Remains of hall D at L'Anse aux Meadows.
Hall D more or less as it appeared when found by the Ingstads. The dwellings were between 18 and 28 metres long and averaged 4.5 metres in width, with slightly bowed side walls and straight ends. They were built of sod and the roofs supported by a wooden frame.
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/exploration/hall.html

I'm not sure how much of the walls themselves are original and unearthed. However the roofs were definitely added later.
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I believe the oldest still standing (not reconstruction either) is the 1881 Schoolhouse in the McKay Avenue area of Downtown Edmonton.


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Im surprised the Atlantic cities don't have a building from the 17th century.
For St. John's the reason is because the city burned down several times, including in 1846 and 1892. In 1846, virtually the entire city was destroyed. In 1892, most of the Downtown East End was destroyed. Most of our grand, stone public buildings were lost in these fires.

By the way, Someone123 is wrong in his response to your question, at least as it relates to St. John's. Already in 1696, Newfoundland's estimated population was 2,321 - a significant portion of which were based in St. John's. Any census that attributes to St. John's just a few hundred residents in the late 1700s is counting only white, land-owning males - not their wives, children, servants, or tenants. Some even exclude the Irish Catholic majority altogether and count only English Anglicans. This is called a partly nominal census and was the norm in Newfoundland:



http://net.lib.byu.edu/fslab/researc...wfoundland.pdf

This continued until the early 1900s when they started counting everyone - and, as census records from that period show, St. John's was still comfortably among the largest cities in what is now Canada, despite presumably losing ground to the mainland for more than a century previous.

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The oldest stone buildings in St. John's (wood construction has always been the norm here) are Fort Townshend (built in 1773) and Fort William (built in 1697), neither of which exists today. However, you can view the ruins of a portion of Fort Townshend in the basement of The Rooms, which was built on the site. And there is a plaque marking the former location of Fort William.

In the Downtown today, most of the oldest stone buildings date to 1892-1893, following the previous Great Fire.

Some examples of buildings that pre-date and survived the Great Fire of 1892. We have only a small handful, especially downtown:













Mallard Cottage is older than Anderson House, and was built sometime in the late 1700s. It's now a specialty Newfoundland restaurant:



There are a handful of other wooden buildings in St. John's that date to more or less the same time.

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The Mallard Cottage, an 18th Century Irish-Newfoundland vernacular style cottage, is recognized as a National Historic Site of Canada, as being one of the oldest wooden buildings in North America.

The Mallard Cottage, located in Quidi Vidi Village, a quaint fishing hamlet of St. John’s, was a private residence for the Mallard family, local fisherfolk who resided there from the late 18th Century until the the early 1980′s. In 1985, the location became a successful antique shop, under the ownership of Peg Magnone.

In 2011, the Mallard Cottage was purchased by the team of Chef Todd Perrin, his wife Kim Doyle and Sommelier Stephen Lee. The team were joined by the talented heritage restoration specialists of Sweet Lumber Enterprises who underwent the daunting task of restoring and rejuvenating the cottage, with the help of the Heritage Foundation of Newfoundland & Labrador. Their hard work was recognized in June 2013 when they were presented with the Southcott Award for excellence in the preservation of the built heritage of Newfoundland & Labrador.

As of November 2013, the Mallard Cottage has taken on its new life as a one of a kind venue where the team can celebrate Newfoundland & Labrador’s incredible purveyors, through showcasing the provinces’ vast array of wild game, seafood & produce, displayed alongside a vital piece of Newfoundlands built heritage.
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By the way, Someone123 is wrong in his response to your question, at least as it relates to St. John's.
That just came from what I read here:

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/st_johns_1815.html

"From a population of just 849 in 1753, the town had over 3000 residents by 1795."

This is also interesting:

"The idea that early settlement was illegal or nonexistent due to the influence of English merchants has been largely discredited. Laws were passed in 1633 and 1670 limiting settlement, but they were difficult to enforce and had little meaning except on paper. On the contrary, merchants required settlement to protect their property from rivals or natives during the winter, when stores left behind were often looted for iron. Furthermore, merchants profited by supplying permanent residents."
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One could say the same thing about Aboriginal peoples who've been building things here for thousands of years. I'm almost certain that no pre-European buildings remain standing in the country, but there are several other structures that remain intact. The Mnjikaning Fish Weirs, for example, are ~5000 years old.
This is true and these sorts of structures are interesting.

If we are talking about European settlement only, there's something to be said for cultural and institutional continuity that goes back centuries, even if no physical buildings have survived (plus I think the reconstructions do matter). I also think there's a pretty significant difference between the 1800's, 1700's, and 1600's, and we have a way of compressing long periods of history when we think about them. An event like Confederation is closer in time to the present day than it is to the first European settlement in Canada.

The meaning of "young country" meanwhile depends on where you are. Here in BC there could still be people alive today whose grandparents moved to Vancouver when it was a tiny logging town.
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we have a way of compressing long periods of history when we think about them. An event like Confederation is closer in time to the present day than it is to the first European settlement in Canada.
Indeed, the Treitz Haus in Moncton (built in 1769) is still pre-Revolutionary, and was already a mature 98 year old building when confederation occurred. That's pretty impressive.

Those impressive 17th century stone buildings in Quebec were already about 200 year old at the time of confederation. Their pre-confederation life span is longer than their post-confederation life span!! This blows my mind….
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Indeed, the Treitz Haus in Moncton (built in 1769) is still pre-Revolutionary, and was already a mature 98 year old building when confederation occurred. That's pretty impressive.

Those impressive 17th century stone buildings in Quebec were already about 200 year old at the time of confederation. Their pre-confederation life span is longer than their post-confederation life span!! This blows my mind….
I wonder how you'd respond to Calle de las Damas in Santo Domingo (the "oldest street in the Americas" - 1502!)? Off the plaza down from that street is the house of Diego Colon (yes, Chris's kid! - I think it dates to around 1510). It makes one aware of how out on the fringes of European colonization Canada was when you see the mighty civilization that the Spaniards had already build by the time Champlain sailed up the Saint Lawrence.

The Alcazar de Colon:




Sorry to stray from the topic. I adore Latin America's colonial heritage.
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The Marr Residence is the oldest building in Saskatoon still on its original foundation, built in 1884. It served as a field hospital during the 1885 Riel rebellion. Its mansard roof, common to eastern Canada, is rarely found on the Prairies. Today it's a municipally owned museum.


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Trounce House, built in 1883, was the sixth permanent residence built as part of the Temperance Colony that established Saskatoon. In the 1920s, it was moved to the back of its lot to make way for a new house to be built, and was used as a garage/shed. Restoration work on the building began in 2005, with more work to come.


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I wonder how you'd respond to Calle de las Damas in Santo Domingo...
If I may venture a guess: Mind-blowing as well! (And moreso!)


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Same here

And unlike Canada, Latin America's historical architecture even does include pre-colonial surviving 'buildings'.
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This is the oldest building in Fredericton: 808 Brunswick Street. The Odell House. Built in 1785, it has never undergone any major changes. However, the shed attached to the house was turn down in the 1950's, it was the home to slaves for a short time.



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