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I'd say this would be around 1947.



lol. You even took out the three television antennas and the radar dish.
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I finished yesterday's Julius Shulman post with this 1937 image of S Flower Street from 7th. One business that I didn't name was the Parmelee-Dohrmann Co at 747 S Flower. I can't find any previous mentions on NLA, so here's a bit of history. More information can be found at thefamilyparmelee.com.

The website above says that brothers Zelotes Larkin Parmelee and Charles Albert Parmelee moved to California in the 1870s, first to Dixon, then to Los Angeles. It also says that their first store was at 210 N Main St, but the first appearance I found in the City Directories is at 110-112 N Main in 1886-7. This store, selling crockery, glass, stone, plated ware and lamps, is listed as Parmelee's Bazar. A year later, gas and oil fixtures have been added to the inventory, and the business name had changed slightly to Parmelee's Bazaar. It looks like the store had expanded to include 108-112 N Main Street. Notice that both of these businesses are only in the name of Zelotes Parmelee. By 1893, his brother, Charles, was added as the company moved to 232-234 S Spring Street.


LAPL

Here's a picture of the S Spring Street store. USC have it mislabeled as "The Parmelee Dohrmann Company at the corner of Fifth Street and Broadway in Downtown Los Angeles". Their date is also wrong, so I send them an email.


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The first mention of Mr Dohrmann comes in the 1900-1901 CD. It looks like his arrival led to a change in the company's structure. F W Dohrmann is listed as president, Charles Parmelee as vice-president and manager, and another brother, Elbert Russell Parmelee, as company secretary. Zelotes Parmelee seems to have moved a block away to 334 S Spring Street to concentrate on selling gas and electric fixtures. I found the advert below in a 1901 newspaper at the Library of Congress.


Library of Congress (PDF file)

Both businesses changed premises again by 1906. The Z L Parmelee Co moved to S Broadway. This advert from the 1906 CD says they were at 749-751 S Broadway, but the alphabetical listing includes a note saying "after Oct 1st at 718-722 S B'way."


LAPL

The Parmelee-Dohrmann Co also moved to S Broadway. Their new store was at 436-444 S Broadway. The 1906 CD lists their president as A B C Dohrmann (San Francisco), which may explain why Mr Dohrmann doesn't show up in the CDs. Here's an article about Parmelee-Dohrmann's expansion from a 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald.


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And here's the store on S Broadway. USC describe it as "Building exterior--436 South Broadway, Parmelee-Dohrmann, Los Angeles, CA, 1927". The signage, which appears to have been added to the photograph, preempts my next image by advertising the company's move to S Flower Street. According to thefamilyparmelee.com, Elbert Parmelee died in 1920, and Zelotes Parmelee died in 1926.


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Finally, here's a reverse view of the S Flower store seen in my first image. USC date this picture at 1928.


USC Digital Library

This detail view shows Ransohoffs at 729 S Flower and Myer Siegel & Co at 733 S Flower, both mentioned yesterday by Noircitydame. Abigail Stark's house is also visible with a parking lot either side. My 1937 image at the top of this post shows a four-story building housing the Kizer Business College in the plot next to the Kayser Shoe Company. The building obviously didn't last long as the extant parking garage seen in the 1966 Shulman photos appears to occupy the same space.


Detail of picture above

The 1934 CD lists "Bullock's Parmelee Dohrmann" at Broadway, Hill and 7th. It's the only mention I can find with the Bullock's name attached. The company is missing from the 1936 and 1938 CDs, but returns as the Parmelee Dohrmann Co at 510 W 7th Street in the 1939 and 1942 CDs. The last listing I found is at the same address in the 1956 CD. From thefamilyparmelee.com, "Dohrmann eventually bought the Parmelees out. The Dohrmann Commercial Co. was bought by the Broadway-Hale Corp., became part of Robinsons-May in 1996, and then rebranded as Macy's."
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By coincidence, I found this Parmelee postcard yesterday.


http://www.plummersearch.com/blog/wp...EEedited-1.jpg

This is the same address Hoss found in the 1906 directory. -note the empty lot next door.


Plummer & Associates on the postcard is a modern 'watermark'.
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I finished yesterday's Julius Shulman post with this 1937 image of S Flower Street from 7th. One business that I didn't name was the Parmelee-Dohrmann Co at 747 S Flower. I can't find any previous mentions on NLA, so here's a bit of history. More information can be found at thefamilyparmelee.com.

The website above says that brothers Zelotes Larkin Parmelee and Charles Albert Parmelee moved to California in the 1870s, first to Dixon, then to Los Angeles. It also says that their first store was at 210 N Main St, but the first appearance I found in the City Directories is at 110-112 N Main in 1886-7. This store, selling crockery, glass, stone, plated ware and lamps, is listed as Parmelee's Bazar. A year later, gas and oil fixtures have been added to the inventory, and the business name had changed slightly to Parmelee's Bazaar. It looks like the store had expanded to include 108-112 N Main Street. Notice that both of these businesses are only in the name of Zelotes Parmelee. By 1893, his brother, Charles, was added as the company moved to 232-234 S Spring Street.

The first mention of Mr Dohrmann comes in the 1900-1901 CD. It looks like his arrival led to a change in the company's structure. F W Dohrmann is listed as president, Charles Parmelee as vice-president and manager, and another brother, Elbert Russell Parmelee, as company secretary. Zelotes Parmelee seems to have moved a block away to 334 S Spring Street to concentrate on selling gas and electric fixtures. I found the advert below in a 1901 newspaper at the Library of Congress.

Both businesses changed premises again by 1906. The Z L Parmelee Co moved to S Broadway. This advert from the 1906 CD says they were at 749-751 S Broadway, but the alphabetical listing includes a note saying "after Oct 1st at 718-722 S B'way."

The Parmelee-Dohrmann Co also moved to S Broadway. Their new store was at 436-444 S Broadway. The 1906 CD lists their president as A B C Dohrmann (San Francisco), which may explain why Mr Dohrmann doesn't show up in the CDs. Here's an article about Parmelee-Dohrmann's expansion from a 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald.

[And here's the store on S Broadway. USC describe it as "Building exterior--436 South Broadway, Parmelee-Dohrmann, Los Angeles, CA, 1927". The signage, which appears to have been added to the photograph, preempts my next image by advertising the company's move to S Flower Street. According to thefamilyparmelee.com, Elbert Parmelee died in 1920, and Zelotes Parmelee died in 1926.

Finally, here's a reverse view of the S Flower store seen in my first image. USC date this picture at 1928.


USC Digital Library

This detail view shows Ransohoffs at 729 S Flower and Myer Siegel & Co at 733 S Flower, both mentioned yesterday by Noircitydame. Abigail Stark's house is also visible with a parking lot either side. My 1937 image at the top of this post shows a four-story building housing the Kizer Business College in the plot next to the Kayser Shoe Company. The building obviously didn't last long as the extant parking garage seen in the 1966 Shulman photos appears to occupy the same space.

The 1934 CD lists "Bullock's Parmelee Dohrmann" at Broadway, Hill and 7th. It's the only mention I can find with the Bullock's name attached. The company is missing from the 1936 and 1938 CDs, but returns as the Parmelee Dohrmann Co at 510 W 7th Street in the 1939 and 1942 CDs. The last listing I found is at the same address in the 1956 CD. From thefamilyparmelee.com, "Dohrmann eventually bought the Parmelees out. The Dohrmann Commercial Co. was bought by the Broadway-Hale Corp., became part of Robinsons-May in 1996, and then rebranded as Macy's."
I have in my files the Parmalee-Dohrmann opened at Flower St. on June 11, 1927 (Ashley & Evers, architects) and Bullocks bought out the retail side in February 1933. They converted the 6th floor of thier Broadway store to "Bullocks Parmalee-Dohrmann" until c. 1936 when P-D seems to have reentered the retail field.

2-6-33 LAT.

Dohrmann apparently kept 436-444 S. Broadway for the hotel/restaurant supply side of the business until they moved to a new plant at 8888 Venice Blvd. Aug 11, 1952.

postcard view of the 400 block of Broadway showing Parmalee-Dohrmann. my files

Another view of the Flower St. Parmalee-Dohrmann. The parking lot extends to the corner of 8th.
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Charles A. Parmalee retired in 1927, the same year the Flower St. store opened. He died at 93 in May 1960.

The little building with Kizer, 721 S. Flower: I have noted that it was built in 1930 (Harold Johnson, architect) with retail on the ground floor and lofts above. It was trimmed in silver & black and the first tenant was "tailor to the stars" Eddie Schmidt until 1937.

715-719 was the Wetherby-Kayser shoe store, who opened their outlet here 12-15-1925. This location was chosen specifically to "provide better facilities for women who drive their own cars" and featured a barber shop for women only.

Claire Windsor being "bobbed and shod" at Wetherby-Kayser Flower St. and Claire sporting a bob in 1925 (the earrings have a picture of Bert Lytel, her husband at the time)


6-27-26 lat (ad); photo by Keytone- Getty Images

There's a little 2-story jewelbox of a building squeezed in next to W-K, at 713. It opened Jan 4, 1931, housing tailor Charles Tartaglia & Bros. (founded 1907).

1-4-31 lat


It's dwarfed by Barker Brothers, who'd opened on the corner of 7th Jan. 26 1926.

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'mystery' location

I just came across this photograph on eBay.

"1946 Los Angeles Transit Railway CA #2501 Special Car."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/5C212-RP-194...cAAOSwZd1VXSaN

Did that kid in the white shirt just fall down in the gutter?

-also note the guy in the dark hat and coat exiting the street car from the back.
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I thought the buildings in the distance along the curve were associated with the railroad, or perhaps industrial buildings.
So I was surprised to see that one is a Grace Nazarene Church.


detail

Does anyone recognize this area?
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Grace Nazarine Church was listed in the 1942 City Directory at 7006 S. Menlo Ave., which means that we're looking at the S-curve that brought the LARy/LATL F-line from Hoover St. to its junction with the U-Line at Florence and Vermont. The Googlemobile seems to show that the apartment building to the left of the church remains, now at 7022 S. Menlo. The church itself has relocated to 109th Place and Normandie Ave.
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ER, I really tried to set up photos in Flickr, but an Internet access issue tripped me up. In the interest of getting info out there, here's what I've found re: your movie screenshots from yesterday:

1. Believe the Soil-Off building to be at 4860 San Fernando Rd., Glendale. I found some pics of the product's packaging on Ebay U.K. (go figure), and their address was given as Glendale and their founding year as 1932. This location would be in the right sequence in the film, and the smaller building across Vine St. looks right to me.

2. I'm a little less convinced, but the building in your #3 would be at 4916 San Fernando Rd.

3. The bus in #15 is Asbury Rapid Transit.

I'll see if I can get images up on Flickr tomorrow, meanwhile anyone who wants to check out the locations and get them up sooner should feel free to do so.
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Los Angeles Railway Car 2501

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7294544]'mystery' location

I just came across this photograph on eBay.

"1946 Los Angeles Transit Railway CA #2501 Special Car."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/5C212-RP-194...cAAOSwZd1VXSaN

Did that kid in the white shirt just fall down in the gutter?

-also note the guy in the dark hat and coat exiting the street car from the back.

As seen in the photo, car 2501 carries a "Special Car" dash sign. It was most likely on an enthusiasts special trip. However, it was truly a special car, having been used as an experimental test bed for a number of Los Angeles Railway innovations. Today it survives after a fashion as a car body without trucks (wheels) at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, Califiorna, having been rescued from "the pile" at Terminal Island.

For additional information see:

http://www.pacificelectric.org/los-a...1-not-at-rest/

https://books.google.com/books?id=6-...202501&f=false

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Interesting information Wig-Wag.



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1. Believe the Soil-Off building to be at 4860 San Fernando Rd., Glendale. I found some pics of the product's packaging on Ebay U.K. (go figure), and their address was given as Glendale and their founding year as 1932. This location would be in the right sequence in the film, and the smaller building across Vine St. looks right to me.

I'll see if I can get images up on Flickr tomorrow, meanwhile anyone who wants to check out the locations and get them up sooner should feel free to do so.
Good sleuthing HH! The Soil-Off building is much nicer than I expected.

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1946 / Columbia Pictures


& here's the smaller building across the street.


gsv


Thanks for your help HenryHuntington!

& good luck with flickr. I hope it works for you today.



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'mystery' apartment building

Somewhere in the vicinity of USC campus, ca. 1951.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/29-Vintage-S...UAAOSw9r1WBHKj



There are several additional slides from the 1951 graduation here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/29-Vintage-S...UAAOSw9r1WBHKj

-two show a small 'mystery' statue in exposition park.
as well as scenes taken at the coliseum. -also an entrance to a second apartment building.
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Determined to make their investment into a desirable suburb, the Witmers put in a cable car in 1885 which traveled over a deep cut in Bunker Hill at 2nd St., running from 2nd and Spring to 2nd and Belmont (as seen above). The powerhouse was at 2nd and Boylston. The route had the steepest cable car grade in North America, with a 27.7 degree slope between Hope and Bunker Hill Avenue:

water and power
While I was looking for the location of the picture below (there's no information with the image), I remembered tovangar2's post about The Witmer Family. As far as I can see, it was taken from almost the same place as the picture above. I would do a then-and-now, but I bet the view has hardly changed .


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I could only find a couple of mentions of the Larronde Block on NLA, and no good pictures. This undated image shows the New Times Building in the background.


lacity.org (PDF file)

The Larronde Block was a wedge-shaped building opposite the Hotel Nadeau on the corner of 1st and Spring. There was also a Larronde Building nearby on Spring Street. I've highlighted both on the 1910 Baist map below.


www.historicmapworks.com
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Let's welcome in the new year with a birth. This baby was the first one born at the Mid-City Hospital in 1956. The description says that the hospital was at 518 E Washington Boulevard, but the 1956 CD says it was at 519. I'm sure oldstuff can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Frank (the father's name) is short for Francisco, and the baby is Louis Angulo.

1st New Year's baby born at Mid City Hospital on East Washington Boulevard, 1 January 1956. Effie Mae Malray (nurse) (holding baby); Frank Angulo (father); Leticia Angulo (mother).; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Wyman. Date: 1956-01-01. Reporter: Parks. Assignment: 1st L.A. Baby Mid City Hosp., 518 E. Washington. 42: L/R Nurse Ellie Mae Malray with baby boy; Frank Angulo (father) & Leticia Angulo (mother) as they record footprints, which is required by a new law. Baby was born 5 seconds past midnite [sic]".


USC Digital Library

Happy New Year to everyone on NLA, and (if I'm right about the baby) happy 60th birthday to Louis!
You are right about the name of the baby:Louis Torres Angulo was born on that date in Los Angeles, according to the birth index. His parents were Francisco Diaz Angulo and Leticia Rodriguez Torres. Online there is a picture of Louie at age 20 when he was attending East Los Angeles college. Unfortunately, he died in September of 1985.
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Is it just me or are the words "Ye Olde" and "Taco House" not meant to go together?
The words "Ye Olde" are somewhat jarring.....but they have excellent food, especially breakfast burritos
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'mystery' apartment building

Somewhere in the vicinity of USC campus, ca. 1951.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/29-Vintage-S...UAAOSw9r1WBHKj
The building is on Downey Way on the USC campus. It appears to be called Stonier Hall.


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It's the H-shaped building on the left of this aerial view. The tower in the background of the eBay image can be seen in the top-right.


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In all honesty I thought the building would be gone. So this is a pleasant surprise.

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It appears to be called Stonier Hall.


GSV

With your information Hoss, I was able to find this.

Exterior view of Aeneas Hall (now Stonier Hall) ca.1930s


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics32/00065704.jpg

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Soil...-/121662694887

If this experiment worked, there'll be a regrettably small image of the Soil-Off one-quart can above. However, it can be enlarged when viewed on Ebay.

For anyone who might be interested in vintage packaging like this (or vintage products and/or companies), I found a few more details. The company name, "Soil-Off Manufacturing Co.", pretty much indicates that its namesake product likely was its only one. Ditto the slogan on the back of the can, "Perfected and Established 1932". So the inventor likely was the business owner.

The company filed a trademark application on August 7, 1947; it expired on November 3, 1992. Google Books turned up a mention in a display ad in the San Jose Evening News of September 4, 1944: 60 cents for the one-quart can pictured, $1.00 for the half-gallon glass jar. There's a photo on-line of the half-gallon jar with updated artwork (from the mid/late-1950s, I'd guess):


http://mrsguy.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-days-haul.html

So the company apparently lasted at least that long. A search of the CA Secretary of State's database didn't find a corporate match, but it might not have records from that far back. Ecolab, Inc. sells an industrial strength (literally) cleaner named Soil-Off II, but I don't know if there's a relationship to the original product.
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The images at the Getty Research Institute were unavailable again yesterday, so here's a quick Julius Shulman post of an image I found when the site came back online a few hours ago. It's "Job 1023: United States Postal Service Office Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1951". There's no other information with the image, and I've drawn a blank in finding the location. The image contains a few clues - the street number is 5054, and the sign on the window says Station "G" Zone 37. The only post office I could find at that street number was 5054 York Boulevard, and it doesn't look right in GSV.


Getty Research Institute


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Thanks to Noircitydame for the additional information about the Parmelee-Dohrmann Company, and thanks to oldstuff for confirming the name of our New Year baby, Louis Angulo. Sad to hear that Louis died so young - I might not have posted the image if I'd known.
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I wondered if it was the same business until I found this undated picture of the block in question. That certainly looks like an "open-air colonnade studio" to me!


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library
And now, a year after the post above, we finally get to see inside that second-story colonnade!



-just found on eBay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Post...cAAOSw4UtWQ-Vi

Postmarked 1933.
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Colonnade, Cinderella Roof, Sixth at Olive

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The images at the Getty Research Institute were unavailable again yesterday, so here's a quick Julius Shulman post of an image I found when the site came back online a few hours ago. It's "Job 1023: United States Postal Service Office Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1951". There's no other information with the image, and I've drawn a blank in finding the location. The image contains a few clues - the street number is 5054, and the sign on the window says Station "G" Zone 37. The only post office I could find at that street number was 5054 York Boulevard, and it doesn't look right in GSV.


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This PO was at 5054 S Vermont-- a building permit for it was issued March 27, 1951, and one for its demolition on October 14, 1992.
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