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Old Posted Nov 7, 2011, 2:37 AM
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Well, I happen to know that the mining exploration sector is booming in Manitoba right now, and has been for several years. We've also been mining Manitoba's north for decades. We haven't yet found anything to make us wealthy to the level of Alberta.
The point I'm trying to make that is clearly wizzing over your head, is that Manitoba is pisspoor in terms of incentives for exploration in comparison with other areas of the country. I'm not saying Manitoba will ever be rich like Alberta, but how do you really know unless you are really willing to do your homework and find out? Sitting on your ass with your hands out for equalization payments sure won't do the trick. But go ahead and continue with the excuses, as socialists do.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2011, 2:39 AM
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So the only way anyone can join Alberta's fantastic partnership is if they're Alberta?

Why start the partnership in the first place?
We didn't start a partnership, they did. They have shared goals and concerns, and their economies are based on the same kinds of things for the most part. Ours isn't. In many ways, Manitoba has more in common with Ontario. We have the same kind of diverse economy with a heavy mix of manufacturing and mineral mining.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2011, 2:41 AM
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The point I'm trying to make that is clearly wizzing over your head, is that Manitoba is pisspoor in terms of incentives for exploration in comparison with other areas of the country. I'm not saying Manitoba will ever be rich like Alberta, but how do you really know unless you are really willing to do your homework and find out? Sitting on your ass with your hands out for equalization payments sure won't do the trick. But go ahead and continue with the excuses, as socialists do.
You know what, you seem utterly incapable of having a conversation. Manitoba has provided almost $40M in incentives in the last few years alone. The Manitoba NDP haven't exactly been unfriendly to business or resource expiration.

By the way, I voted Conservative federally.

Oh, and it would be nice if you'd make an effort to understand how equalization works. Manitoba's percentage and total have been steadily going down over the last couple of years.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2011, 2:48 AM
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You know what, you seem utterly incapable of having a conversation. Manitoba has provided almost $40M in incentives in the last few years alone. The Manitoba NDP haven't exactly been unfriendly to business or resource expiration.
In comparison to what from Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC and even Ontario? Not enough to make us more competitive clearly. The NDP haven't done enough to market us nationally or internationally. They can do much better if they really want to.

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By the way, I voted Conservative federally.
What does that have to do with the Provincial NDP socialists?

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Oh, and it would be nice if you'd make an effort to understand how equalization works. Manitoba's percentage and total have been steadily going down over the last couple of years.
And yet Manitoba is still in the top rankings of the pack for payments, Quebec I believe is still at the top but Manitoba is up there as well. So clearly we have a long way to go before there are any significant changes to the welfare state. Nothing to boast about.
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takes time to change an economy in a province thats been in a mess the ndp has been dealing with mess's from previous ndp governments and concervitive governments and seem to be getting things sorted out witch takes time....
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2011, 3:12 AM
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In comparison to what from Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC and even Ontario? Not enough to make us more competitive clearly. The NDP haven't done enough to market us nationally or internationally.
Manitoba actually has a very similar GDP per capita to BC and Ontario. You can do the math if you don't believe me. We have the fifth highest population, and the 6th largest economy. We aren't doing that bad.

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What does that have to do with the Provincial NDP socialists?
They aren't socialsits, you're just blinded by partisanship.

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And yet we are still in the top of the pack for payments, so clearly we have a long way to go before we see any significant changes to our welfare state. Nothing to boast about.
Manitoba actually does very well economically. It's just a factor of where our economy makes money and where average tax rates across the country collect the money from the makes us more have not. Again, if you don't believe me, you can do the math:

Using stats can data for populations and nominal GDP for 2008 (pre recession)...

Manitoba: 42 346 (have not)
Ontario: 45 186 (have not)
BC: 45 102 (have)
Saskatchewan: 64 528 (have)
Alberta: 81 173 (have)
Quebec: 39 061 (have not)
Newfoundland: 62 541 (have)
NWT: 118 087 !!!!
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The point I'm trying to make that is clearly wizzing over your head, is that Manitoba is pisspoor in terms of incentives for exploration in comparison with other areas of the country. I'm not saying Manitoba will ever be rich like Alberta, but how do you really know unless you are really willing to do your homework and find out? Sitting on your ass with your hands out for equalization payments sure won't do the trick. But go ahead and continue with the excuses, as socialists do.
The Manitoba NDP is socialist, but a more fiscally conservative government would be wise to provide much more in the way of subsidies to private businesses (exploration incentives)? Interesting - I'm all for more incentives to dig resources out of the ground, but you (evidently a staunch conservative) support taxpayers money going towards this? Hmmm... Also, in your opinion, what are the 4 or 5 best features of the New West Partnership? How would they benefit Manitoba? For the record I'm neither for nor against it, because it's relatively new, a bit vague, and I haven't researched it enough to figure out its benefits. When my local conservative candidate began hyping up the NWP to me, I asked them about it. They knew next to nothing, other than it would make us a have province. If only "Pave your Lane" Hugh got in, then we'd really be living it up eh?
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And yet Manitoba is still in the top rankings of the pack for payments, Quebec I believe is still at the top but Manitoba is up there as well. So clearly we have a long way to go before there are any significant changes to the welfare state. Nothing to boast about.
Manitoba gets the third-most equalization payments because it has the third-largest population of the have-nots. But per capita, Manitoba is one of the have-nots that receives the least (Quebec and Ontario also get less per capita than the Maritimes...)
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The Manitoba NDP is socialist, but a more fiscally conservative government would be wise to provide much more in the way of subsidies to private businesses (exploration incentives)? Interesting - I'm all for more incentives to dig resources out of the ground, but you (evidently a staunch conservative) support taxpayers money going towards this? Hmmm... Also, in your opinion, what are the 4 or 5 best features of the New West Partnership? How would they benefit Manitoba? For the record I'm neither for nor against it, because it's relatively new, a bit vague, and I haven't researched it enough to figure out its benefits. When my local conservative candidate began hyping up the NWP to me, I asked them about it. They knew next to nothing, other than it would make us a have province. If only "Pave your Lane" Hugh got in, then we'd really be living it up eh?
Hugh definitely wasn't the right guy. After meeting both him and Sellinger, and having discussion & discourse with both of them, I realized Hugh - while a nice guy - wasn't the right guy.
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i was driving towards downtown off the provencher bridge and thats when i truly felt the imposing presence of the canadian human rights museum... that view of the bridge the museum and downtown skyline looked insane... add the 3 - 4 new high rises in the next 4 years and wowwww.
Next time lboy take a picture( not driving ) and let the picture speak for itself.
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I'm not sure if anyone has been here, but I asked for the Winnipeg map on pg. 13 and he brought it up on 14. If you haven't seen it, you will end up being drawn in from pg. 1 all the way til' the end. He does a really good job.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...193571&page=14
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did you know that manitoba hydro loses between a million and a million five every single month on wind power....the amount they are contracted to pay for it is about twice what they can sell it for....and they have to buy it no matter what, even if they are spilling water at the dams.

hydro is more profitable when the wind doesnt blow and they are not forced to buy power from the wind farms....it all for political optics.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2011, 5:46 AM
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^ enjoyed the "ghost signs" column in the WFP today TV.
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thank you...
So thats YOUR column! I like those ones, keep 'em coming!
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did you know that manitoba hydro loses between a million and a million five every single month on wind power....the amount they are contracted to pay for it is about twice what they can sell it for....and they have to buy it no matter what, even if they are spilling water at the dams.

hydro is more profitable when the wind doesnt blow and they are not forced to buy power from the wind farms....it all for political optics.
I understood power is purchased at around $0.4 from the wind farms and sold to us at $0.06/kwh.

I drove by the Hwy 75 wind farm recently, the turbines were all spinning yet there was zero wind. I guess they were being used for phase synchronization. The Selkirk plant used to be used for that but I guess this makes for better political optics.
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I understood power is purchased at around $0.4 from the wind farms and sold to us at $0.06/kwh.

I drove by the Hwy 75 wind farm recently, the turbines were all spinning yet there was zero wind. I guess they were being used for phase synchronization. The Selkirk plant used to be used for that but I guess this makes for better political optics.
nope, the contract from the private companies is almost double what it is sold for....and they have to buy it no matter what.
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nope, the contract from the private companies is almost double what it is sold for....and they have to buy it no matter what.
TV I think you missed my decimal point above.

Do you have the numbers? I read some of the documents from PWB hearings some time ago and the number was 40 cents IIRC, Hydro sells it to us for 6 cents.
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