Northern New-Brunswick Construction Thread

[OUIR@random]

Originally Posted by theshark

Yes I bet it would have been!

Did you see if its a restaurant appart from the existing Pizza Delight?? I see some of the Pizza Delight have signs outsides their restaurant saying now serving Scores chicken.

I see also on Kijiji that someone is looking for some staff to start a bar and grill thatwould be opening in April 2014

It's the exact same Pizza Delight located at Centre Brunswick, nothing was changed with the restaurant just the menu really, no expansion either. They only wanted to be competitive with the Boston Pizza next door...

[OUIR@random]

Originally Posted by ErickMontreal

Par contre, le Centre Madaswaska est à l'agonie. Il est sur le marché afin d'etre vendu pour 5 millions et à vrai dire il ne reste plus grand chose. La perte de Zellers a possiblement annoncé la fin. En fait, ne pas avoir un Centre d'Achat régional en santé est le principal problème d'Edmundston, ceci afin de ralentir les fuites commerciales vers Riviere du Loup, Rimouski, Fredericton ou Moncton.

Avec 3 centres d'achats à Edmundston, 2 sont des ''dead malls'' comme l'expression le dit bien, le Centre Brunswick et le Centre Madawaska sont vides et c'est quasiment épeurant là-dedans, très bizarre.

[theshark]

Une fois que tu connais un peu l'histoire des centres d'achat, c'est un peu moin bizzard.

2 things play against the Madawaska center. One is the location, they are built away from the other commercial points in the city and there isno store there that is popular enough to have a pull on the people. 2 is the company the owns them, RIO CAN. they have an awefull track record in the north. (Chaleur center: demolished, Northuberland Square: half empty for years all tho things might change with Giant Tiger and Winners.) They drove the Madawaska center down way before Zellers moved out. They drove the rents way up and made the private stores move out or close.

For the Brunswick center, well its the state of disrepair it has been in for so many years and the ownership. If this would change, someone could do something really nice with that mall and the traffic around is there for it to work.

Remember that at a certain time, there was 4 malls in the city. One was demolished to make place for the superstore. If wish someone would have build one big regional one, instead of 4 smaller ones.

[OUIR@random]

Originally Posted by theshark

Une fois que tu connais un peu l'histoire des centres d'achat, c'est un peu moin bizzard.

2 things play against the Madawaska center. One is the location, they are built away from the other commercial points in the city and there isno store there that is popular enough to have a pull on the people. 2 is the company the owns them, RIO CAN. they have an awefull track record in the north. (Chaleur center: demolished, Northuberland Square: half empty for years all tho things might change with Giant Tiger and Winners.) They drove the Madawaska center down way before Zellers moved out. They drove the rents way up and made the private stores move out or close.

For the Brunswick center, well its the state of disrepair it has been in for so many years and the ownership. If this would change, someone could do something really nice with that mall and the traffic around is there for it to work.

Remember that at a certain time, there was 4 malls in the city. One was demolished to make place for the superstore. If wish someone would have build one big regional one, instead of 4 smaller ones.

I'm not saying it's weird because I don't understand what happened here, I say it's weird because these locations are so empty that they could make a zombie, apocalypse or horror-style movie there. I meant bizarre as creepy and dreary.

The problems with the malls in Edmundston is not only related to their position, rent rates ($) or their number of locations, but those are indeed very significant. The combination of closed chains (Zellers, Kmart) in Canada and the opening of big-box style developments in Edmundston on Victoria Street changed the retail landscape in Edmundston thus the death of their numerous small malls. Le Centre Madawaska was quite large (long) at some point when Kmart was there, the interior hall is now shortened. Circa 1980's, the mall was completely full; bank, grocery store, stationary store and many other tenants that one would find a large regional mall.

[theshark]

Yes the commercial areas did change over time and it did contribute to the decline of both malls. I remember the last time i saw the Madawaska center full was somwhere before 1994, before kmart closed, there was a lot of variety in the mall, save easy, la clef de sol, florist, lots of locally owned stores which you do not see in regional malls nowadays.

It is weird tho to walk in one of those, remembering at one time how busy and shinning this place but i would not go on the zombie style, who is up for re-creating the mall chase in the blues brothers lol

[JohnQCandNB]

Originally Posted by OUIR@random

It's the exact same Pizza Delight located at Centre Brunswick, nothing was changed with the restaurant just the menu really, no expansion either. They only wanted to be competitive with the Boston Pizza next door...

In Tracadie-Sheila they have partly renovated the Pizza Delight to become a
Pizza Delight / Scores restaurant

Thank you Bernard Imbeault, Tracadie-Sheila will now have good chicken and ribs.

Invesco Group , owner of Pizza Delight, Mikes, Bâton Rouge and Scores.


I have to mention, they will built a Wall-Mart in Tracadie-Sheila.

[theshark]

[QUOTE=I have to mention, they will built a Wall-Mart in Tracadie-Sheila.[/QUOTE]

Did they anounce it or is it just still in the eventually we hope it hapens??

The one in Bathurst will be transformed into a supercenter. Now they say renovation, then expansion so I don't know if they will actually expand the building or only renovate it to accomodate the grocery part, i guess only time will tell so far.

And as a suprise turn of events, the NB liquor in Bathurst is moving, not across the street to the almost made for them space by the Superstore but they will build a new 10 000 foot depot style store connected to the Sobeys.

[D3nZ]

Apparently the Centre Madawaska has been sold for 900 000$. Not a whole lot of news, the building is almost vacant since Zellers and Mark's Work left town.

[OUIR@random]

Originally Posted by D3nZ

Apparently the Centre Madawaska has been sold for 900 000$. Not a whole lot of news, the building is almost vacant since Zellers and Mark's Work left town.

I knew that Le Centre Madawaska was hanging by a thread, but this is low; 900K for a shopping mall of this size is insane. I could see this place being demolished, Staples is supposedly leaving too.

[theshark]

Just saw an article on this on info weekend.ca, other than the sales price, there is not much more details on who would be buying and for what purpose.

[D3nZ]

I would see Staples move on Grey Rock. Not sure either who would buy it.

[Good2go]

Originally Posted by Good2go

@RickGrantCTV

NB/Fed gov't $35M subsidy saves 225 K CN's North Shore track. 10 year+ deal. Announce inside 2 wks. Critical to keep VIA on that line.

So, it is only provincial money (no federal money), it is only $25M, and it was announced 5 months later instead of 2 weeks, but other than that Rick Grant nailed it.

Still good news though.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...line-1.2509398

[MonctonRad]

Good news yes, but reading the CBC article, there will be a 70 km section of the subdivision between Newcastle and Bathurst that is not included in the agreement and therefore presumably will be abandoned.

Ramifications:
- Miramichi freight traffic will flow south to Moncton.
- Bathurst freight traffic will flow west to Quebec.
- VIA service to the north shore will be abandoned. Passenger trains will instead head west from Moncton on the CNR mainline to the bustling metropoli of McGivney and Juniper on the way to Montreal.

Yet another nail in the coffin for passenger rail in the Maritimes.....

[David1gray]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Good news yes, but reading the CBC article, there will be a 70 km section of the subdivision between Newcastle and Bathurst that is not included in the agreement and therefore presumably will be abandoned.

Ramifications:
- Miramichi freight traffic will flow south to Moncton.
- Bathurst freight traffic will flow west to Quebec.
- VIA service to the north shore will be abandoned. Passenger trains will instead head west from Moncton on the CNR mainline to the bustling metropoli of McGivney and Juniper on the way to Montreal.

Yet another nail in the coffin for passenger rail in the Maritimes.....

Apparently, the remainder of the line will remain available for sale until abandonment can legally take place. It is very unlikely that anyone will purchase this part of the line as it has many large bridges including the two that span the Miramichi. Hopefully something can be worked out to keep VIA on the northern route!

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by David1gray

Apparently, the remainder of the line will remain available for sale until abandonment can legally take place. It is very unlikely that anyone will purchase this part of the line as it has many large bridges including the two that span the Miramichi. Hopefully something can be worked out to keep VIA on the northern route!

It's pretty obvious that VIA isn't interested in serving the east coast. They're steadily cutting back frequency and the number of destinations. Then they can use the drop in customers to justify further cuts until there's nothing left.

[David1gray]

A bit of info on the railway from Steve Boyko's blog "Train Geek" post. There is some good info in there on what is happening.

http://blog.traingeek.ca/

[MonctonRad]

some more bad news for northern NB:

UNB Phases Out Nursing Program in Bathurst
(abridged - read full story at http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...urst-1.2531733)

The University of New Brunswick is phasing out the nursing program it offers in Bathurst.

Students were told Monday that no more applications would be accepted and the 2017 graduating class will be the program's last one.

​Waugh says the students were told UNB couldn't afford to keep the nursing campus at Bathurst going and would concentrate on the programs in Moncton and Fredericton.

"They don't have enough resources to finance all of the campuses and that the resources would be better met in Fredericton or Moncton," she said. "They're allocating their resources there.

"There's not as high enrolment up here in Bathurst, therefore the money is going towards other campuses."

One of the considerations was the difficulty placing Bathurst students in a clinical setting for experience, as the program was competing for spots with University of Moncton students and community college nursing programs.

Storr said the Bathurst program also had difficulty attracting qualified applicants. Also, applicants who weren't accepted into the more popular nursing programs in Fredericton and Moncton were hesitant to go Bathurst, she said.

A third consideration was Vitalité Health Authority wanted bilingual nurses to work in Chaleur Regional Hospital in Bathurst.

"The language requirements for the Chaleur General are such that our students are having challenges and Vitalité wanted our students to be able to comprehend French for the safety of the patients," said Storr.

"The northern part of the province will definitely see some backlash from this decision. They do have nursing students from the University of Moncton, but they are a French program and we are an English program — the only English program up here. So we cover a lot of programs that are English-based."

I think the move to a two health care region model for the province, with the Chaleur Hospital being included in the francophone Vitalite network was the kiss of death for this program. It was pretty incongruous having an English language nursing program affiliated with a francophone hospital. The UNB Bathurst nursing program was always the weak sister to the programs in Fredericton and Moncton. If there was a program to be cut, this would be it. The French language requirement at Vitalite was the coup de grace…..

[theshark]

Yes bad news indeed for education in the north, again people from the region will have to flock south for education.

[josh_cat_eyes]

It's not all lost tho, the CN line goes through Chipman, Plaster Rock, Grand Falls and Edmundston. It would be nice it still went through Fredericton on the way too. That would seem more ideal to me; Chipman, Minto, Fredericton, Woodstock, Perth-Andover, Grand Falls, Edmundston.
I wonder how much it would cost to buy the right of ways and rebuild the line from Minto to Fredericton, to (just outside) Woodstock, To Perth-Andover, To either Grand Falls or Plaster Rock. If they didn't take the tracks up it would be ok, but they did.

[theshark]

few good signs, a job fair was held in Edmundston, with all present it was said that close to 300 jobs where shown to be available or soon to be available with different companies in the area.

A medicinal pot growing companie will set up shop in Atholville in the old Atlantic Yarns building, Zenabis has taken posession of the building and said the first phase of the operation could see 200 jobs created.

Pita pit is slated as opening soon in Miramichi!