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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 2:18 PM
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Right, most renderings depict it offset from/above the existing property, that makes more sense. We would have heard this thing was cancelled otherwise, due to Venezuela's refusal to sell the Consulate. Thanks for clearing that up.

Sure, but given who he is would we expect otherwise? His narcissism, persistence and "chutzpah" is probably the reason this thing still has a chance. I know you hate it, as do many others, but there's a good chance the design isn't completely final.
It's Manhattan real estate. That particular piece is part of a political issue at the moment (we won't get into politics). But it's Manhattan real estate, and money talks. And Macklowe has no more "chutzpah" than a Gary Barnett, or a Larry Silverstein. They will build to the market (it's what developers do).


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He’ll build something here. He can easily build a very tall condo exclusively on the 52nd St side.
See above. He will build to the market, but if he's relying on the rezoning to build here, residential isn't really on the table.


If macklowe isn't able to acquire that piece of the puzzle, the portion of the base on the 51st Street size next to the landmark on the right would be taken out of play. That could have implications for the public auditorium that's supposed to sit just above, but not really much for the tower itself besides a smaller entrance on that street.






You can see how that portion (7 E. 51) fits into the puzzle.











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i hope it still gets built lmao
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i hope it still gets built lmao
You'll get your wish. I hope you're still laughing then because a lot of these people don't like it and won't be.
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The only thing that makes those renderings look somewhat interesting is the church in the foreground and in the reflections haha. Also CPT looks mad awkward from that angle.
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The only thing that makes those renderings look somewhat interesting is the church in the foreground and in the reflections haha. Also CPT looks mad awkward from that angle.
I would submit that CPT looks awkward from any angle. This tower, however whether people like the top or not, is more interesting because of its unusual top.
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It's kind of a shame it's so close the church

Is demolition still in progress? I thought I read way back that it began, although it seems this building is more uncertain now.
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It's kind of a shame it's so close the church

Is demolition still in progress? I thought I read way back that it began, although it seems this building is more uncertain now.

That church is what will give birth to this tower, and it'll be no closer than the other towers that surround it. That photo shows how insignificant a presence it would have on the south (51st st) side. No demolition has begun.
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If Macklowe isn't able to acquire the consulate, maybe he could add some public improvements as a negotiation tactic for possibly gaining some development rights. Just a thought.

I'd like something to rise here, right now I'm very iffy about the current design, but it would be a shame if the assemblage is eventually sold, and developed into something underwhelming. I guess time will tell.

Not that the consulate is required, but I'd imagine a design change for the base if the original design was under the assumptions of gaining parcels x,y,z...
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If Macklowe isn't able to acquire the consulate, maybe he could add some public improvements as a negotiation tactic for possibly gaining some development rights. Just a thought.

I'd like something to rise here, right now I'm very iffy about the current design, but it would be a shame if the assemblage is eventually sold, and developed into something underwhelming. I guess time will tell.

Not that the consulate is required, but I'd imagine a design change for the base if the original design was under the assumptions of gaining parcels x,y,z...

It wouldn't change the base so much as the entrance on the 51st Street side, with the open view of St Patrick's.







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