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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 11:03 AM
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poppy...maple leaf (actually)......whatever, it works sufficiently.

Thx. We had no vote on it (nor on the nose style), unlike Montreal. Still came out ok.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 11:34 AM
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Ottawa LRT inspection reports paint picture of a work in progress

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 29, 2017 | Last Updated: August 29, 2017 7:00 AM EDT




Dozens of inspection reports documenting deficiencies, such as bad welds and crummy workmanship, illustrate the quality control in effect during the construction of Ottawa’s LRT line.

The Citizen reviewed 64 “non-conformance” reports produced during audits of construction along the LRT line. The city sent the documents to researcher Ken Rubin after he made an access-to-information request for all reports produced in 2015 and 2016. He is still seeking more records.

Such reports are common in the construction industry as builders’ work is inspected to ensure its quality.

Non-conformance reports — hundreds have been produced on the LRT project — can be made by the quality-control experts working either for the private contractors or for the city. Substantially more will be produced by the construction firm itself, said Steve Cripps, the city’s director of O-Train construction.

According to Cripps, non-conformance doesn’t always relate to the physical construction of the LRT line. A report could be generated if someone forgot to follow a process, such as sending documentation to a department.

“When the system works right, it’s not supposed to be the city being Big Brother, saying, ‘I caught you and I’m issuing a non-conformance report.’ It should be all parties catching things and correcting them,” Cripps said.

It might seem odd, meanwhile, to have the contractor inspect its own labour and issue deficiency reports, but Cripps said that’s how quality management works.

Cripps said when the contractor doesn’t agree with a city-identified deficiency, the disagreement can be dealt with by different levels of the organizations. In the worst-case scenario, the disagreement goes to a formal dispute resolution process, which hasn’t yet happened with the Ottawa LRT.

During an inspection of an architectural concrete mock-up at Cyrville station, city staff wrote down several deficiencies, such as staining and discolouration. The contractor objected to the city’s analysis, prompting the city to fire back. “It will be more effective to work on resolving the numerous concerns expressed on the architectural concrete quality, taking into account that the architectural concrete pouring is well advanced on the project instead of objecting to this (non-conformance report),” the city wrote.

According to RTG’s written responses to Citizen questions, the consortium “maintains a rigorous quality management system in accordance to the city’s expectations” and international standards.

The consortium couldn’t provide information on the number of non-compliance reports that have been generated on the project, the number of subcontractors on the project and whether any subcontractors have been removed because of the quantity of deficiencies or the quality of workmanship.

The city recently retained an independent safety auditor, TÜV Rheinland, to make sure the LRT system has been designed, constructed and commissioned to safety standards. It’s not an unusual step. The firm will be working until the trains start carrying passengers at some point in 2018.

Cripps said his office is happy with the quality of construction on the Confederation Line LRT so far.

“When we do audits we’ll always find some things, but there hasn’t been anything of substance that shows a major breakdown in their (quality control) systems,” Cripps said. “That’s really what it’s all about, having the systems in place and the people to implement those systems.”

THE PROBLEMS
The 1,012 report pages reviewed by the Citizen largely chronicle minor construction errors.

• There were broken anchor bolts on an overhead wire pole in a yard at the maintenance and storage facility. They were struck by heavy machinery in several locations.

• In a report considered “major,” an inspector found a duct bank wall poured in the wrong location at the maintenance and storage facility. It had to be demolished and relocated.

• At the maintenance and storage building, an inspector found an improper installation of gas line entry points on the roof and damage on the waterproof membrane. Even the remedial work wasn’t acceptable, prompting the inspector to suggest a third-party roofing inspection. “Quality of workmanship would be the main deficiency in this case,” the report said.

Other times, inspectors flagged the aesthetics of completed work:

• A finished concrete slab on the maintenance and storage facility connector line was found to have boot and equipment indentations. Workers should be careful walking around freshly poured concrete and not use a wet concrete surface, the inspector suggested.

Some inspections provided lessons for workers to take better precautions:

• When four vertical bars were bent by moving equipment at Hurdman station, an inspector suggesting using traffic and safety cones around structures for temporary protection.

• There were weld failures at the maintenance and storage facility yard, with the constructor’s inspector calling a subcontractor’s inability to get it right “unacceptable.”

• In another case, workers were found using inappropriate wooden spacers in the walls at Rideau station. Lack of training was listed as one of the root causes.

jwilling@postmedia.com

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...rk-in-progress
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2017, 3:43 PM
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I've said this before; I'm pretty frustrated that the City didn't have an online poll for the Confederation Line livery. This is pretty simple and standard stuff that we've seen in Montreal, Calgary and elsewhere.

What we ended up with isn't terrible; I'm fine with the Maple Leaf but the trains have too much white and I don't like the arches.

I would have preferred one of the two liveries that were shown at the beginning of the RTG project;



or



Of these options that were shown after the City had already chosen, I would have gone with the classic OC Transpo look (second one from the left).

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I would have liked a vote too, but Calgary also had one and the trains now look a lot different than the winning design.
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What if there was a vote, and the one that was picked was one you didn't like? I suspect people would still complain.
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I would have liked a vote too, but Calgary also had one and the trains now look a lot different than the winning design.
I knew about the vote, didn't know they went against the popular opinion. Do you know which design won and which they ended up using?

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What if there was a vote, and the one that was picked was one you didn't like? I suspect people would still complain.
This could turn into a political debate!

If I didn't like a winning design, I would express my discontent in passing, but respect the results obtained through a fair process.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2017, 2:23 AM
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I seem to recall that the cheaper white paint was a deciding factor in the whitest of the choices.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2017, 2:59 AM
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Sounds like a very Ottawa answer to a problem. Considering RTG is responsible for the maintenance, why should the City care?
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Sounds like a very Ottawa answer to a problem. Considering RTG is responsible for the maintenance, why should the City care?
I find this whole tread ridiculous about people complaining that they wish the city had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to pole the city on a design only to veto the options of writing Trainy-McTrain-Face on the side and having the cab look like a portrait of David Attenborough.
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I find this whole tread ridiculous about people complaining that they wish the city had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to pole the city on a design only to veto the options of writing Trainy-McTrain-Face on the side and having the cab look like a portrait of David Attenborough.
This isn't the same thing as the Boaty McBoat Face screw up. A simple multiple answer pole on the City of Ottawa or Confederation Line website with 3 options. Would't cost anything.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2017, 4:18 PM
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A simple multiple answer pole on the City of Ottawa or Confederation Line website with 3 options. Would't cost anything.
Do you really think the City of Ottawa can do anything without it costing money?

My point is any of the six designs above would have been fine. Sure we all have our favourites, but we don't need to have a poll for every little decision. There are a lot of things we can complain about, but this one seems rather petty.
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Blair Station photo tweeted by the mayor today

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimWatson...17756296261632
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Rocketphish, this thread is missing the latest construction updates! Let's keep the record alive since the Phase 1 website could be taken down post construction.
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Rocketphish, this thread is missing the latest construction updates! Let's keep the record alive since the Phase 1 website could be taken down post construction.
Good Day...

Caution - rocketphish told us awhile back that he was only posting copies as he could, and I think he has been busy lately.
As well, IIRC, he told us that he was only posting referential tags in his posts, referring back to the Confederation Line official website. If that is the case, then all his posts will have dead links if and when they (and I believe they will) down the site. IE - we need to appeal to the city (yeah, right, ok, idealism, but nontheless) to take and keep a copy up and running, since RTG is only bound by contract (I believe) to retain the website as a communications conduit and tool during construction, not for the life of the line. Elsewise, someone somewhere on the net will have to (legally) clone the site. A lot of IFs I know, but there it is. Maybe RTG can be convinced to archive it into a Phase 2 website subsite, or the city convinced to roll it into a subsite of the city's Phase 2 website. More IFs. Maybe. Who knows. ?!?

Best we can hope for ?
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Maybe the pictures could be moved to the city's (or national) archive.
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I knew about the vote, didn't know they went against the popular opinion. Do you know which design won and which they ended up using?



This could turn into a political debate!

If I didn't like a winning design, I would express my discontent in passing, but respect the results obtained through a fair process.
Winning design:



New LRV




They didn't go against the result, they just changed it. Rather like Claridge Homes.
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Old Posted Sep 2, 2017, 9:17 PM
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Good Day...

Caution - rocketphish told us awhile back that he was only posting copies as he could, and I think he has been busy lately.
As well, IIRC, he told us that he was only posting referential tags in his posts, referring back to the Confederation Line official website. If that is the case, then all his posts will have dead links if and when they (and I believe they will) down the site. IE - we need to appeal to the city (yeah, right, ok, idealism, but nontheless) to take and keep a copy up and running, since RTG is only bound by contract (I believe) to retain the website as a communications conduit and tool during construction, not for the life of the line. Elsewise, someone somewhere on the net will have to (legally) clone the site. A lot of IFs I know, but there it is. Maybe RTG can be convinced to archive it into a Phase 2 website subsite, or the city convinced to roll it into a subsite of the city's Phase 2 website. More IFs. Maybe. Who knows. ?!?

Best we can hope for ?
You have a good memory, PH. I was away for a while and upon my return I found it a bit overwhelming to try to catch up with all the old construction reports. So I stopped re-posting them here, as they are of course, still available at their source.

And you're also right that I was only ever posting links back to the original material, so when the LRT site goes away, so will all our linked photos (unlike all my photo posts in other threads which I try to re-host so that they won't disappear when Development Applications suddenly drop off the City's website, for example, which they do with alarming regularity).
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Hello all!

I was cruising around the internet this "wonderful" sunday afternoon, and I came upon Ottawa's transportation master plan. This might have already been posted in the thread, but I saw that the ultimate network has a connection from Bayview to Gatineau via POW bridge.

Ultimate TMP:
http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/doc...p_map_3_en.pdf

I also found 2 other maps...
Network Concept (2031):
http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/doc...p_map_4_en.pdf

Affordable Network (2031):
http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/doc...network_en.pdf

Again, this might have been posted earlier, but here it is again if it was not.
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More great photos by Chuck Clark:









Sept 2, 2017
by southfacing (Chuck Clark) on Flickr

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There is a lot of irony in the first photo. The Belfast train maintenance yards being situated immediately next to the recently developed and very car centric Trainyards shopping area. Somehow, we should have done this much better.
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