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Old Posted Jul 31, 2017, 5:22 AM
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Immigration (a similar rate as Canada) and one of the highest birth rates in the developed world. Australia grew by 1.4% in 2016 compared to 1.2% for Canada.
Australia doesn't have a high birth rate. These are the comparative figures according to Wikipedia:

NZ 2.03
UK 1.89
US 1.87
AU 1.77
CA 1.60

Total growth for Australia between 2006-2016 was 18.4% compared to 11.2% for Canada. In numerical terms, Australia grew by 3,759,843 people compared to 3,538,831 for Canada (according to their respective censuses). Neither is growing as fast as Texas, which adds over 400k a year.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2017, 2:14 PM
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Australia doesn't have a high birth rate. These are the comparative figures according to Wikipedia:

NZ 2.03
UK 1.89
US 1.87
AU 1.77
CA 1.60

Total growth for Australia between 2006-2016 was 18.4% compared to 11.2% for Canada. In numerical terms, Australia grew by 3,759,843 people compared to 3,538,831 for Canada (according to their respective censuses). Neither is growing as fast as Texas, which adds over 400k a year.
First of all you just argued my point. Those are the developed nations with the highest birth rate (Canada excluded). You missed Ireland and maybe 1 other. Most developed nations are well below Australia's birth rate. Canada lies somewhere in the middle.

Secondly, Texas isn't a country but a jurisdiction within one that benefits from large scale in migration from other US states.
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2017, 2:27 PM
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heh, Australia's NOM is a tad over 50% what it was in 2008. The pre-GFC/mining boom era saw the huge net overseas migration spread far more evenly around the country - Melbourne and Sydney saw high growth, but so did the regions of WA and QLD where a lot of labour was needed to build the enormous resources projects.

In 2016/2017 the mining/resources boom-bust cycle was well and truly on the bust side of the equation and the overseas migration is again focused just on Melbourne and Sydney.

Anyhow, the Melbourne SA2 (effectively the CBD) is now the most densely populated area of Australia: https://urban.melbourne/planning/201...reas-melbourne

Summary from OzScrapers:

Density (people/square km) and SA2 name.

SYDNEY
15,756 Potts Point - Woolloomooloo
15,650 Pyrmont - Ultimo
14,240 Darlinghurst
13,555 Surry Hills
11,191 Redfern - Chippendale
9,864 Waterloo - Beaconsfield
9,237 Randwick - North
9,169 Bondi Beach - North Bondi
9,043 Glebe - Forest Lodge
8,619 Neutral Bay - Kirribilli
8,258 Lakemba
8,178 Kingsford
8,051 Bondi - Tamarama - Bronte
8,014 Newtown - Camperdown - Darlington
7,785 Wiley Park
7,124 Coogee - Clovelly
7,103 Bondi Junction - Waverly
7,097 Petersham - Stanmore
6,991 Ashfield
6,981 Sydney - Haymarket - The Rocks


MELBOURNE
17,507 Melbourne
11,314 Carlton
9,009 South Yarra - East
8,319 Fitzroy
7,363 Prahran - Windsor
7,303 St Kilda East
7,217 Collingwood
7,214 St Kilda
6,797 North Melbourne
6,745 Flemington
6,658 Southbank
6,467 Elwood
6,227 Port Melbourne
5,778 Seddon - Kingsville
5,427 Brunswick East
5,368 Kensington (Vic.)
5,287 Richmond (Vic.)
5,274 Brunswick
5,274 Fitzroy North
5,080 Abbotsford


BRISBANE
6,608 Kangaroo Point
6,334 New Farm
5,980 Fortitude Valley
5,541 Highgate Hill
5,203 Spring Hill
5,195 West End
4,664 Brisbane City
4,656 Auchenflower
4,233 Taringa
4,195 Annerley


PERTH
3,420 Tuart Hill - Joondanna
3,311 Scarborough
3,105 Perth City
3,087 Innaloo - Doubleview
3,083 Nollamara - Westminster
2,973 North Perth
2,866 Wembley - West Leederville - Glendalough
2,861 Mount Hawthorn - Leederville
2,767 East Victoria Park - Carlisle
2,663 Maylands


ADELAIDE
2,945 Unley - Parkside
2,835 Glenelg (SA)
2,723 Prospect
2,700 Norwood (SA)
2,671 Nailsworth - Broadview
2,569 Henley Beach
2,540 Warradale
2,513 Goodwood - Millswood
2,498 Edwardstown
2,464 Windsor Gardens


GOLD COAST
4,308 Surfers Paradise
4,219 Mermaid Beach - Broadbeach
3,808 Labrador
3,281 Coolangatta
2,807 Biggera Waters
2,681 Southport - South
2,660 Varsity Lakes
2,394 Palm Beach
2,368 Miami
2,194 Burleigh Waters

What's a SA2? ABS definition
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2017, 2:57 PM
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First of all you just argued my point. Those are the developed nations with the highest birth rate (Canada excluded). You missed Ireland and maybe 1 other. Most developed nations are well below Australia's birth rate. Canada lies somewhere in the middle.

Secondly, Texas isn't a country but a jurisdiction within one that benefits from large scale in migration from other US states.
France, Sweden and Norway are also above the Australian TFR figure, while Belgium, Netherlands and Denmark have similar figures to Oz.

The EU average is 1.60, same as Canada but below Australia.
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These were the local areas with the fastest and slowest population growth in great Britain in the year to June 2016.



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Old Posted Aug 9, 2017, 12:14 PM
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These are the comparative figures according to Wikipedia:

NZ 2.03
UK 1.89
US 1.87
AU 1.77
CA 1.60
The figures for the US are falling pretty rapidly. Numbers for the first 3 months of 2017 have just been released showing the Total Fertility Rate is now down to 1.76

USA Jan-Mar 2017 (2016)

Births: 919,000 (951,000) -3.4%

Deaths: 742,000 (720,000) +3.1%


Estimate for the TFR for 2017: 1.76 (1.822)


TFR for the 12 months ending Q1 2017: 1.804 (1.840 for 12 mths ending Q1 2016)
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2019, 3:59 PM
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It's been 2 years since I originally posted metro area population figures for the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, so I think it is time for an update. The following figures are based on the latest numbers available, being to mid-2018 for Canada and Australia and mid-2017 for the rest. The original figures from a couple of years ago are in the first post in this thread.


Metro Area..........Increase...........Population........Growth Rate

Dallas, TX...............146,238..............7,399,424.........2.0%
Toronto, ON............125,298..............6,341,935.........2.0%*
Melbourne, VIC.......119,421..............4,963,349.........2.5%
Houston, TX.............94,417...............6,892,427........1.4%
Sydney, NSW...........93,411...............5,230,330..........1.8%
Atlanta, GA...............89,013..............5,884,736.........1.5%
Phoenix, AZ..............88,772..............4,737,270.........1.9%
Los Angeles, CA.......82,663............17,934,577.........0.5%*
London, UK..............79,118.............13,524,411.........0.6%*
Montreal, QC............66,116..............4,255,541..........1.6%
Washington, DC.......65,908..............6,216,589.........1.1%
Seattle, WA..............64,386..............3,867,046..........1.7%
Orlando, FL..............56,498..............2,509,831.........2.3%
Austin, TX................55,269..............2,115,827.........2.7%
Tampa, FL................54,874.............3,091,399..........1.8%
San Francisco, CA.....52,512.............8,837,789..........0.6%*
Miami, FL.................51,391.............6,158,824..........0.8%
Brisbane, QLD.........50,120..............2,462,637.........2.1%
Charlotte, NC...........49,786..............2,525,305.........2.0%
Salt Lake City, UT.....47,938.............2,559,350..........1.9%*
San Antonio, TX.......47,763..............2,473,974.........2.0%
Las Vegas, NV..........47,355..............2,204,079..........2.2%
New York, NY...........45,697............20,320,876..........0.2%
Minneapolis, MN.......43,342..............3,600,618..........1.2%
Vancouver, BC.........39,400..............2,650,005..........1.5%
Auckland, NZ...........38,600..............1,695,900..........2.3%
Denver, CO..............36,379..............2,888,227..........1.3%
Nashville, TN...........34,190..............1,903,045..........1.8%
Columbus, OH..........31,748..............2,078,725..........1.5%
Raleigh, NC.............30,183..............1,335,079..........2.3%
Portland, OR............30,066..............2,453,168..........1.2%
Edmonton, AB..........29,762..............1,420,916..........2.1%
Sacramento, CA.......29,651..............2,324,884..........1.3%
Ottawa, ON..............29,460..............1,414,399..........1.8%
Jacksonville, FL........28,477..............1,504,980..........1.9%
Boston, MA...............27,692..............4,794,447..........0.6%
Birmingham, UK.......26,752..............2,897,303..........0.9%*
Calgary, AB...............26,692..............1,486,050..........1.8%
Indianapolis, IA.........23,002...............2,028,614..........1.1%
Kansas City, MO.......22,530..............2,128,912..........1.1%
Perth, WA.................21,582..............2,059,484..........1.1%
San Diego, CA..........20,485..............3,337,685..........0.6%


Notable Others:

Chicago, IL............-13,286...............9,533,040.........-0.1%
Detroit, MI.................7,133...............4,313,002..........0.2%
Philadelphia, PA.......18,968..............6,096,120.........0.3%
Manchester, UK.......17,955..............2,798,799..........0.6%*

Notes:

*Population estimates regularly get adjusted over time, so they are not necessarily 100% consistent with the numbers from 2 years ago. The sources are however the same.

*I have low confidence in the accuracy of the UK numbers. The Office of National Statistics re-based all of its estimates up to mid-2016. I am not sure whether or not I calculated the change between 2016 and 2017 correctly (I suspect I did not). However it is clear that population growth in the UK dropped off in 2017 - eg Greater London alone went from about 1.2% to 0.6% growth. If anyone else wants to have a go at calculating the London metro area's growth (based on the LUZ) please do so.

*The US numbers are MSAs except for LA, San Francisco and Salt Lake City where I used CSAs as I consider them more relevant for comparison purposes. If you don't like this approach, feel free to do your own table....

*The greater Toronto-Hamilton-Oshawa region grew by 141,261 people (1.9%) to 7,534,207, which would place it just behind Dallas in absolute numbers.

*Manchester, Fort Myers and Sarasota fell below 20,000 growth so got cut from the main list. Indianapolis was the only city added.

Some other observations:

- In Canada, Montreal was the big gainer while Calgary dropped below Edmonton and Ottawa.

- In Australia, Melbourne and Sydney are still dominating (although they fell back a bit from record growth rates in 2017). Brisbane is improving but Perth is still in the doldrums.

- In NZ, Auckland's growth rate has dropped but is still quite high.

- In Texas, Dallas seems to be pulling away from Houston, while Austin and San Antonio are booming.

- In the rest of the US, Seattle and Washington added a lot of people (along with the usual sunbelt boom cities), which is probably not surprising. However Miami slowed down, and San Francisco's growth wasn't exceptional considering that the Bay Area is going through a huge tech boom. Columbus is doing very well for a rust belt city, and Philadelphia and Detroit seem to have turned a corner too.
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You can't really make conclusions when you're comparing not alike things, even within the same country. At bare minimum, you need to compare apples-to-apples when available, and it's always available within a country.
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You can't really make conclusions when you're comparing not alike things, even within the same country. At bare minimum, you need to compare apples-to-apples when available, and it's always available within a country.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2020, 12:48 AM
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Population predictions for Australian metropolitan areas to June 30th 2019 have been released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

We now have two 5+ mil metros.

State/Territory + Federal capitals



Like everywhere else that's shut their borders around March, this will look very different next year. (Although, we all might have a mini-baby boom in 9 months lol ).

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