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Gee, that's a nice shot.
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It's disorienting to me. -so we're looking at the back of the house, right?

& am I correct in saying the large rooftop sign is the 'Examiner* sign? (the one with the huge diagonal arrow)
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I just noticed the flagpole up near the sign. I believe it's on the roof of a second building that we can't see. -(if not, then it's a really tall pole )



*corrected by HossC

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& here's a second photograph (this time an original snapshot) from ebay.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-194...IAAOSwUKxYe~JN



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"Bud and Harold" posing on a beach in south Los Angeles.


old file

You can see several oil wells in the distance, so I'm thinking this could be Huntington Beach(?)...or numerous other places down that way.








a closer look

I wonder about the building in the middle distance (adjacent to the beach) To me, it looks like a clubhouse of some sort.


I'd be disingenuous if I didn't mention the guy on the right.

I wonder if he's a sailor...what with the arm tattoo and all.

I have to admit, I'm in Joe Roig territory here.





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Photograph of Fort Moore Hill currently on ebay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...IAAOSwOgdYs41z
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It's disorienting to me. -so we're looking at the back of the house, right?

& am I correct in saying the large rooftop sign is the 'Herald Examiner' sign? (the one with the huge diagonal arrow)
You're correct about it being the Examiner sign, e_r, although it didn't say Herald and wasn't on the roof. That's the back of the Hotel Alhambra on the left. Here's the Broadway side.

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And here's a better look at the sign.

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I've gone back through the thread and I believe this is a new image in the usc archives of the enormous Examiner sign and the wctu building.


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Yes, that's the sign..thanks Hoss. I see the same flagpole in your 2nd pic.



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It could be that noir figures into every building in LA, even if only obliquely...517 Rosemont was occupied by the brother of Philip A. Kilfoil around the time of the latter's sensational murder trial.... More at http://tinyurl.com/le6a8v5 and much covered elsewhere at the time....


PS Rosemont north of Temple was once called Casco Street--presumably 517 Rosemont was 517 Casco... carpenter Peter Lindquist lived there 1895-96. It looks somewhat older to me, but maybe he built it from a pattern book.




Thanks for this GW. We needed a shot of noir.


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Rosemont north of Temple was once called Casco Street--presumably 517 Rosemont was 517 Casco.

In 1909 Charles N. Williams lived at 517 Casco.


lapl

So was Charles a department clerk and the Commissioner......or a department clerk that worked for the Commissioner?



with his wife Olive, an artist.


lapl


I know her name was Olive (and an artist) because she was listed twice in the directory.


lapl
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I thought I had found Philip Kilfoil's son (also named Philip).
If I have the right person, he attended Oneonta Military Academy in South Pasadena and later played football for USC.

But then I started getting all confused and decided I couldn't prove it was the killer's son.

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It's disorienting to me. -so we're looking at the back of the house, right?

& am I correct in saying the large rooftop sign is the 'Herald Examiner' sign? (the one with the huge diagonal arrow)
______

I just noticed the flagpole up near the sign. I believe it's on the roof of a second building that we can't see. -(if not, then it's a really tall pole )




(pardon all the questions)

Yes, we're looking northwest across the 1931 extension of N Spring Street from the driveway of the recently opened Federal Courthouse and Post Office. The back of the Alhambra Apartments on the left (the Hall of Justice is just out-of-frame to the left), the back of Hancock Banning's house which numbers at 416 N Broadway atop the hill pretty much dead center (to the right of the Banning house is the back of the Milo Baker house, although the Hilliker house is there between them it is obscured by the tree below the Banning house) and above the Alhambra we can just make out the looming framework of the huge 'It's in the Examiner' sign which was mounted above the Broadway tunnel. The adjacent flagpole was also mounted above the tunnel entrance. Los Angeles was a so much more interesting place back then.

well Hoss did a better job on that.
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Photograph of Fort Moore Hill currently on ebay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...IAAOSwOgdYs41z

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The cars indicate the early 1940s. As the victorians were cleared by 1947 (information by MR), these are the last years of the Banning house.
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While I hate to be the bearer of bad news (which one just is, sometimes), it looks as though La Colima is on her way out. The building which the esteemed Michael Ryerson rightfully called "One of and perhaps the most remarkable survivors on the north side."

Here she is in 1929, about seven years after construction (permits are pulled in October 1922)—

lapl

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—but now, she's surrounded by demo fencing. Metro is tearing up that giant parking lot to the east, and the lot behind Colima, to build a giant mixed-use "transit village" with retail, lofts, and train stations.

Colima is down, but this project seems to be taking a very long time:

gsv

Too bad Colima was not incorporated into the design. Developers love a "clean slate".

This area is interesting too, to me anyway, because of the fascinating, but unsolvable mystery of the location of the previous Plaza (there may have been more than one according so some accounts).

Here's one guess:

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Today's Julius Shulman subject is a hospital in Long Beach. It's "Job 3162: Kenneth Wing, Memorial Hospital of Long Beach, Calif., 1961".



The other shot shows the entrance. I like the zig-zag design.



Both from Getty Research Institute

The hospital can still be found at 2801 Atlantic Avenue. The building is in the middle of the block, and hidden by trees from the nearest streets, so I went for an aerial view. There have obviously been some additions over the years, and I don't know if the zig-zag detail survives.


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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 7:11 PM
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Yes, we're looking northwest across the 1931 extension of N Spring Street from the driveway of the recently opened Federal Courthouse and Post Office. The back of the Alhambra Apartments on the left (the Hall of Justice is just out-of-frame to the left), the back of Hancock Banning's house which numbers at 416 N Broadway atop the hill pretty much dead center (to the right of the Banning house is the back of the Milo Baker house, although the Hilliker house is there between them it is obscured by the tree below the Banning house) and above the Alhambra we can just make out the looming framework of the huge 'It's in the Examiner' sign which was mounted above the Broadway tunnel. The adjacent flagpole was also mounted above the tunnel entrance. Los Angeles was a so much more interesting place back then.
Thanks so much Michael.
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Ft Moore Hill

Here is the panorama I was looking for to compare to e_r's ebay photo. Thank you MR:

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County Courthouse panorama, ca.1898

Stitched together three images from William Henry Jackson (1843-1942) from
about 1898. I'm guessing the date here based on the fact the Broadway
tunnel is still missing but the road grade for California Street has been
lowered. I'm thinking the tunnel is a year or two away. It opened for business
in 1901. Starting on the far left, we have the Poundcake Hill High School
building (medium greyish with the single belfry) resting now just off of
California Street west of Hill Street. It has been here since 1882 when it was
moved to make way for the 1888 County Courthouse upon which Mr. Jackson
has perched with his camera. These images predate the more widely known
C.C. Pierce photographs which are so similar. The missing tunnel is the tell-
tale difference. To the right of the Poundcake schoolhouse is the second Los
Angeles High School building on Hill Street with it's four stories and clock
tower. An additional wing of the high school will be built to the right (or north
side) of this building but that hasn't happened yet either, so we have a clear
view of the J.W. Robinson Mansion above Sunset (likely still Bellevue here)
Boulevard. Now we can come down here to the lower left corner of the image
and find the WCTU building on the NW corner of Broadway and Temple Street.
It stretches to it's full five stories but will ultimately give up the top three
floors to the tightening earthquake regulations and finally be torn down in
1956 or '57. At the head of lower Broadway is the unimproved shale face of
what will soon become the south portal of the Broadway tunnel carrying the
roadbed through Fort Moore Hill to Sunset Boulevard. Above this shale face is
the upper Broadway roadbed with Hancock Banning's house on the right with
the lone horse in the corral. The center of the image is dominated by Buena
Vista (or Justicia) running from Temple Street (out-of-frame at the bottom) to
it's crest at Fort Moore Place before it goes out-of-sight over and around the
shoulder of Fort Moore Hill to Sunset Boulevard. In the distance we can see
the San Fernando Hotel at Ord and N. Spring Street although the Sunset
Hotel, it's neighbor, is hidden by tree branches. Temple Street emerges on the
right running diagonally across the lower right corner of the image past New
High Street, a hard-to-see Spring Street and finally to Main Street. Aliso
Street runs directly away from the camera in the upper right quadrant and on
Main Street we can pick out the Baker Block, the Masonic Lodge, the Merced
Theater and the Pico House. The Hip roof and three cupolas of the Lugo House
face a still largely empty Plaza.

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"Bud and Harold" posing on a beach in south Los Angeles.


old file

You can see several oil wells in the distance, so I'm thinking this could be Huntington Beach(?)...or numerous other places down that way.








a closer look

I wonder about the building in the middle distance (adjacent to the beach) To me, it looks like a clubhouse of some sort.


I'd be disingenuous if I didn't mention the guy on the right.

I wonder if he's a sailor...what with the arm tattoo and all.

I have to admit, I'm in Joe Roig territory here.





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I wonder if that house in the background is still standing? It looks rather substantial. Hoss might know.

You stumped me there....Joe Roig? Actor?
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Yes, an actor in only one film that we know of: Tiger Shark, 1932.

And this:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=26123
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Yes, an actor in only one film that we know of: Tiger Shark, 1932.

And this:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=26123
Thanks Martin for the link....I'm trying to figure this out.

The photo looks like the Long Beach area. But that's just a guess.

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Kodachrome slide from the 1960s looking toward the intersection of Santa Monica Blvd. and Doheny Dr.


https://www.facebook.com/dantanasres...type=3&theater

We may have seen this before, but I don't believe so.

E_R, I posted what appears to be the same photo, only there's more to it. I quoted the whole post because I replaced a missing photo in it and also added several others, including a video.


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Here’s a photo of Doheny and Santa Monica; 1937
LAPL

Here’s a photo of Doheny and Santa Monica; 1940's
LIFE Images

You would not see any cars turning right currently as it’s been a continuation of westbound traffic on Santa Monica as far back as I know.
There’s similar lanes for eastbound traffic on the other side of the track area.

Here’s a photo of Doheny and Santa Monica, 1980


Same area now, 2014


Way off to the right where you see the power pole--the road you see behind it is Melrose Ave. In E_R’s post the other day of the Academy Awards Theater—that’s where it was located,
probably where the building you can see is situated. The area you see between Melrose and Santa Monica is now called the Melrose Triangle and is most recently used for parking and
selling Christmas trees in the fall.



Here's an October 19, 2016, dashcam video of the intersection, beginning at Doheny Dr. and, after the light changes, it proceeds left (east) on Santa Monica Blvd. and travels down to just before Hancock Ave., your old street, E_R.
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In the next photo you’re gong to see a Standard Oil gas station in the Melrose Triangle area.

Vintage Los Angeles (VLA)

VLA says this photo was taken by Dennis Hopper (no date) and he called it "Double Standard". You can see the Academy Awards Theater on Melrose on the far right.

The following photo is taken from the opposite direction:

Wojcik/VLA

It’s estimated to be from 1965. The P.E. tracks used for freight trains are still in place. You can see part of the Standard Gas Station on the left at the Melrose/Doheny/Santa Monica Blvd. intersection. On the right you can make out Doug Weston’s Troubadour and Dan Tana’s Restaurant, although they have different signs than the now recognizable ones…Doug Weston’s name is absent and the restaurant is smaller and just called Tana’s.

Here’s a 1940’s view of when P.E. cars still ran and Dan Tana’s was known as Domenico’s Lucky Horseshoe Café.

VLA

A photo taken a few blocks away in 1972 on Santa Monica near La Cienega when the tracks were being removed altogether.
(The Holloway Motel and IHOP on the right are still there.)

Torrence/Hollywood Photographs

Back at the Melrose Triangle area, the view today from the park with the fountain: You can see artwork (always changing) on the median which also is a pedestrian area for running or walking.
You can see the art deco veternarian hospital in the background, previously discussed.

(FYI: I’ve never seen ANYONE on that path, although I walked down it once myself.



The view tomorrow?
This is what the City of West Hollywood is proposing to foist upon the Melrose Triangle area.



more here: http://www.wehoville.com/2014/02/27/...-gateway-weho/
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Japanese American internees returning from a relocation camp walk past combat veterans, August 22, 1945, Los Angeles, California

A couple of the women are smiling, so I don't think the boys said anything rude.

Photog's equipment bags to the left of the railing?
I've recently become educated about this regrettable chapter of American history (my wife is executive director of an organization that is producing a play based on the life of an internment survivor) and it is not a pretty story. I think the woman in the black hat's expression kind of sums it up.
George Takei recently had a guest editorial in the NYT (here) that is relevant.
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The people look like they're running a gauntlet.

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Vintage Los Angeles (VLA)

VLA says this photo was taken by Dennis Hopper (no date) and he called it "Double Standard"
MOMA, the Getty, etc peg Hopper's iconic photo at 1961.


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I wrote to the WGA to ask if they have a timeline on the old "Marquise".

I'd be interested to know when the seating was changed out to the big, green chairs. That was the most comfortable seating ever.
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And then a turn to the beat side...

Beat, 1958


April 1958. "The 'Beatnik' community of San Francisco's North Beach district, socializing at a local coffee house, at a 'beat' party and other activities." 35mm negative from photos by Cal Bernstein for the Look magazine assignment "The Bored, the Bearded and the Beat."
(Original post from page 2079) I wouldn't be surprised if he is poet, singer, songwriter, actor Rod McKuen. He would have been 24 when that Look issue came out. His Wikipedia page says, "He settled in San Francisco, where he read his poetry in clubs alongside Beat poets like Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg."

Compare with some of these images. https://www.google.com/search?q=Rod+...w=1680&bih=832
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(Original post from page 2079) I wouldn't be surprised if he is poet, singer, songwriter, actor Rod McKuen. He would have been 24 when that Look issue came out. His Wikipedia page says, "He settled in San Francisco, where he read his poetry in clubs alongside Beat poets like Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg."

Compare with some of these images. https://www.google.com/search?q=Rod+...w=1680&bih=832
Rod at the left and mystery man at the right. Same person? The nose, lips and ears are different....very different.


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