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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:41 PM
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Yes. How much did you pay to read the story?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:57 PM
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+100 million would have built a pretty dope new Garfield Green Line Obama Library Station near Washington Park.
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Yes. How much did you pay to read the story?
Touche. I'll give you that one.

That said, I also didn't make the decision to provide content for free online, i.e. the mistake all the newspapers made twenty years ago.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2018, 7:33 AM
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Touche. I'll give you that one.

That said, I also didn't make the decision to provide content for free online, i.e. the mistake all the newspapers made twenty years ago.
They didn't really have a choice. Other alternative/web based news providers were offering free news online (well, dependent on ad revenue). Major newspapers would have seen collapsing subscription numbers regardless if they offered their own content online for free or not.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2018, 4:12 PM
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+100 million would have built a pretty dope new Garfield Green Line Obama Library Station near Washington Park.
Agree.

$175 million is criminal. Throw them all out of office. Scumbags....
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2018, 7:35 PM
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Also, underpasses? Didn't these idiots whine and whine about having an above ground parking garage on the damn Midway so that museum patrons can *interact* with the neighborhood? Now that the parking is underground, they are going to keep those patrons underground so they don't even set foot in the neighborhood at all?
The Obama Center parking was relocated beneath the building itself. Patrons don’t have to cross any streets.

The underpasses are further south, beneath Jeffrey and 67th/South Shore Drive. Mostly (or entirely?) for the benefit of golfers so they don’t have to cross busy roads. I’m pretty sure a big chunk of the cost is for that last underpass, which has to cross diagonally below a busy intersection and multiple utility lines, just feet from the lake. Probably requires some shoreline changes too.
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The architects, remember, said they plan to force users to walk outside because, Williams said, “We believe in the idea of activating the street.”

The street:
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^ That's like 0.03% better than Dearborn Park. Bravo!
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^^Clearly, Mr. D., they are not talking about 'activating' the west side of the street, but the OPC campus on the east side... would you prefer that everyone visiting the center be encouraged to stay inside?
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^ It would be cool if we could get some kind of retail or otherwise more street-engaging development on that stretch of Stony Island, but it appears that those buildings are public housing so they most likely aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2018, 4:40 AM
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would you prefer that everyone visiting the center be encouraged to stay inside?
I'd prefer that the center go where it can play some rôle in revitalizing the urban fabric. Not be an isolated object in the park.
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Whats the reason for choosing the Monroe street bridge to reconstruct? Just to expand it to four lanes? Are planning on rebuilding all the bridges over the kennedy eventually? Monroe just doesnt seem to be in any worse condition than the other bridges or am I wrong about that?

Sorry wrong thread. Can a mod transfer this to the general development thread.
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^ Van Buren is also being rebuilt right now. Eventually the Adams and Jackson bridges will be rebuilt as well. All part of the Circle Interchange project that will totally eliminate the left-hand ramps from Adams and Jackson. I’m not sure if IDOT will bring the 1996 Democrat themeing back.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2018, 11:47 AM
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Will they be tearing down those eliminated ramps then or keeping them for emergency and IDOT vehicles? If they removed them it would definetly make the kennedy less intimidating to out of towners or those not used to driving it. But they are useful in case of an emergency, especially during rush hour.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2018, 2:10 PM
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I'd prefer that the center go where it can play some rôle in revitalizing the urban fabric. Not be an isolated object in the park.
So, you should be honest with what is really fueling your criticism... otherwise, it just comes off as bitter and misguided...
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^ Van Buren is also being rebuilt right now. Eventually the Adams and Jackson bridges will be rebuilt as well. All part of the Circle Interchange project that will totally eliminate the left-hand ramps from Adams and Jackson. I’m not sure if IDOT will bring the 1996 Democrat themeing back.
It's not even that old, that "themeing" was from the 2000's. I moved here in 2001 and I remember they started those campy bridge redesigns shortly thereafter. Doing a few a year through the mid 2000's. They lasted what? Three years? Before they started rusting to hell.
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President Obama appeared in person at last night's meeting at McCormick Place:

From today's Tribune:

Obama downplayed concerns about increased housing costs and other issues that have been raised by residents who live near the center.

"A lot of times, people get nervous about gentrification and understandably so," he said. "It is not my experience ... that the big problem on the South Side has been too much development, too much economic activity, too many people being displaced because all these folks from Lincoln Park are filling in to the South Side. That's not what's happening.

"We have such a long way to go before you will start seeing the prospect of gentrification,” he said. “(My daughter) Malia's kids might have to worry about that. Right now, we've got to worry about broken curbs and trash and boarded-up buildings. That's what we really need to work on."
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Leaders of Jackson Park Watch, a park advocacy group, on Tuesday criticized the [$175 billion] roadwork plan as an “undue and unnecessary burden on taxpayers.” Yet in a sign that it will be hard to turn back the political momentum behind the center’s proposed location, the group’s leaders said that they are not calling for the center to leave the Jackson Park site but instead want the city to consider alternatives to the road proposal.

The city’s transportation spokesman on Tuesday defended the plan for addressing “long-standing traffic safety needs” in the area. And a spokeswoman for Gov. Bruce Rauner signaled that the governor “is open to working with the General Assembly on options” to support some of the roadwork.

Before Tuesday’s meeting, a prayer vigil was mounted outside McCormick Place by residents pushing for a plan that will preserve affordable housing in Woodlawn, Washington Park and South Shore. The activists worry that lower-income African-Americans, seniors and disabled residents will lose their housing if property taxes and rents increase because of the attraction.

While the group of residents has been unsuccessful in persuading the Obama Foundation to sign a contract guaranteeing property tax freezes and rental assistance programs, leaders said they were continuing to fight so they won’t be left behind or pushed out of their neighborhoods. They are pushing for a community benefits agreement — a contract enforceable in court — from the foundation, the city and the University of Chicago.

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Let's hope housing costs DO go up.

For the love of God, we need a serious infusion of wealth down there..
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM
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Jackson Park residents having fears of gentrification is silly and misguided. Even if wealthier people started moving down there today (which I assure you they are not), it would take decades to work through the backlog of abandoned buildings and empty lots before current residents begin feeling any form of price pressure.

Investment like the library and any possibly commercial development that will come as a result of the library is sorely needed down there. A new strip mall or grocery store opening up isnt a cause for concern, its beneficial for the neighborhood. Last I checked, people there were complaining about living in a food desert, as opposed to acting satisfied that they live in an economic black hole...
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