General Photography Chat - Page 80

Hayward · #**1581** Posted: **May 10, 2013, 4:42 AM**

^ I finally broke down and started renting photoshop from adobe. It's $20 / month and I think you can install it on multiple computers so as long as they aren't running simultaneously.

Sucks, but I enjoy photography and hobbies come with a price.

bulliver · #**1582** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 2:43 AM**

i_am_hydrogen · #**1583** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 2:56 AM**

^No shit! The new layout is awful.

bulliver · #**1584** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:33 AM**

It's an ugly bastard child of facebook and tumblr. Surprised to not see any chatter about it here, I know lots of SSP photogs use it to host.

Okayyou · #**1585** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:37 AM**

It will take some time to get used to but flickr was in need of an upgrade. I'm not complaining about the 1TB of storage.

On a side note, has anyone else with a flickr account been spammed with contact requests? I started getting multiple per day around the same time the iphone app came out. I don't know any of the people and most have only a few uploads that look like they are from a phone. I had 50 requests in the last hour and now have something like 3000 people that call me a contact. I have no idea where or how these people are finding me. Most of the time they seem to be dead accounts.

bulliver · #**1586** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Okayyou

It will take some time to get used to but flickr was in need of an upgrade. I'm not complaining about the 1TB of storage.

Certainly a lot of space but previously it was completely unlimited. They are purposely trying to get pro users to "downgrade" because they will make a lot more money in ad revenue than they ever will with subscription fees.

And these changes are far beyond simply getting used to. They have completely destroyed usability. If there was some way to disable the justified 'streaming' of photostreams I could probably live with it but as it is it loads slow as hell, and all the pics are smashed together in a giant mess competing for attention. I much prefer my shots to have a bit of whitespace for padding so that they may breath a bit. Also, they have moved/obfuscated info like comments/titles/EXIF et al behind more mouseclicks.

A huge step backwards for elegance, simplicity, accessibility and usability. It is fairly clear that flickr wants to become yet another generic social media site rather than a serious community for artists to share their work.

bulliver · #**1587** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 4:21 AM**

Specific reasons the new flickr sucks. If I am just not understanding something, or if anyone knows a workaround please let me know.

1. facebook style 'cover' wastes space for actual content and provides zero benefit.
2. justified streaming photostream is very slow to load, and obfuscates the photo's title and description. Also, makes it near impossible to use the 'help' et al links in the page footers.
3. Trying to find a random shot in your (or someone else's) photostream (or group pool, or contacts uploads) near impossible due to lack of sane pagination. I'm supposed to endlessly scroll through thousands of shots to find the one I want?
4. Important information such as EXIF, license details et al obfuscated behind mouse clicks.
5. Comments are now hidden underneath a full-page lightbox that cannot be disabled.
6. Multiple comments now hidden behind a mouse click a la facebook.
7. The landing page is now a mish-mash of recent activity and contacts uploads, which is displayed ridiculously large.
8. I have contacts that post nudes. Before they would appear in a discrete thumbnail. Now they show up large size, front and centre. Not good if viewing in a sensitive spot or with mixed company to have full frontal appear.
9. Ability to browse thumbs/small sizes and decide which pictures to look at large is gone, again, wasting load time and bandwidth...
10. Map completely jettisoned. I for one found it useful. [EDIT] I found the map, but it is hidden behind a mouse click.
11. It appears you can no longer preview your comments. Why would you remove that?

Okayyou · #**1588** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 2:11 PM**

Yeah, the forced activity page is annoying. I liked the options of the old ones. If I wanted to see my contact's photos I could do just that, if I just wanted the activity on my shots I could see only that. Now I'm forced to see everything mixed. I don't want to see some random contact's snaps from a birthday party mixed in with my activity.

It feels like the site is still old with just a new html 5 wrapper. Click on a group or stats and you are back to the old flickr. I like the new layout of sets but it definitely takes longer to load and is hard to find a specific shot.

I'll give it a week and see how I adjust. Not sure what other photo sharing services I could switch to if I decided to jump ship. I'm hoping they listen to feedback and make some adjustment after things get settled.

mr.John · #**1589** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:04 PM**

I don't see how anyone will find anything you posted in this train wreck,however if you only use Flickr for storage and hosting it's great (and free)

i_am_hydrogen · #**1590** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:11 PM**

I feel bad for people who have lengthy blog posts that accompany their photos. Now, those are completely hidden from the front page, so they don't draw in the reader/viewer.

ue · #**1591** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 3:37 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulliver

Certainly a lot of space but previously it was completely unlimited. They are purposely trying to get pro users to "downgrade" because they will make a lot more money in ad revenue than they ever will with subscription fees.

And these changes are far beyond simply getting used to. They have completely destroyed usability. If there was some way to disable the justified 'streaming' of photostreams I could probably live with it but as it is it loads slow as hell, and all the pics are smashed together in a giant mess competing for attention. I much prefer my shots to have a bit of whitespace for padding so that they may breath a bit. Also, they have moved/obfuscated info like comments/titles/EXIF et al behind more mouseclicks.

A huge step backwards for elegance, simplicity, accessibility and usability. It is fairly clear that flickr wants to become yet another generic social media site rather than a serious community for artists to share their work.

No offense, but I wouldn't call flickr terribly serious. It is the land where glittery gifs and a million and a half brain dead comments (with classics such as "great shot" and "nice picture") run rampant.

It's not a bad site (or at least it was, this new interface looks like a POS) and it is an excellent resource for new photographers, but it was/is not some holy grail for online photographers that is above the rest with all it's seriousness.

M II A II R II K · #**1592** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 4:16 PM**

A better, brighter Flickr

http://blog.flickr.net/2013/05/20/a-...ighter-flickr/

Quote:

In the beginning, Flickr innovated the way people share and discover photos. Today, we are shifting the photo-sharing landscape again. We’re releasing a Flickr that’s more spectacular, much bigger, and one you can take anywhere.

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bulliver · #**1593** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 5:21 PM**

Quote:

It is the land where glittery gifs and a million and a half brain dead comments (with classics such as "great shot" and "nice picture") run rampant.

I've not had any of that in years. I think the quality of your comments depends greatly on the contacts you keep. If one of your shots hits explore you will get a boatload of useless comments but that is rare for me.

And anyway, my "serious community" comment speaks more to the presentation of the photo. I like to consider one photo at a time, and choose which photos I want to look at in large size. I want photos to have room to breath.

Go to an art gallery...it will almost certainly have white walls, and each work will have plenty of space to breath. What a gallery will NOT have is hundreds of works crammed on a wall frame to frame. One cannot easily enjoy and consider the art with such a busy presentation.

bulliver · #**1594** Posted: **May 21, 2013, 5:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by i_am_hydrogen

I feel bad for people who have lengthy blog posts that accompany their photos. Now, those are completely hidden from the front page, so they don't draw in the reader/viewer.

Indeed. I often add long descriptions. I also often add a few more shots relevant to the lead shot in the first comment. These are now hidden behind mouse clicks.

R@ptor · #**1595** Posted: **May 22, 2013, 2:12 PM**

Worst. 'Upgrade'. Ever.

In addition to the points already mentioned by bulliver I would like to add the following:

-it is now excruciatingly slow to browse through a photostream or a set

-you can no longer create collections, which were quite useful to sort your photos

-the tiles of your sets look absolutely messy because they show only 10% or so of the original photo

-the starting page now only shows photos of my contacts/groups I'm a member of, rather than showing me who commented on my photos

QuantumX · #**1596** Posted: **May 22, 2013, 2:39 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayward

^ I finally broke down and started renting photoshop from adobe. It's $20 / month and I think you can install it on multiple computers so as long as they aren't running simultaneously.

Sucks, but I enjoy photography and hobbies come with a price.

Flickr used to have pretty damn good photoshop for free until Google bought and disposed of it so that you have to pay to get decent photoshop capabilities.