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Old Posted Jun 22, 2010, 1:11 AM
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this article from the globe and mail says that Kits beach and Spanish Banks are two of the locations. Also says that a Korean Taco Stand is amongst the applications.

I also like the fact that the owner of Abagails Pantry in Kits is speaking positively about the benefits of the street food scene.

All very exciting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1610939/

EDIT.........

Just found this re the city's 'test locations'

http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/streets/...wLocations.pdf

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when i was at the folk fest they had a truck that sold amazingliy good food it was a mix of african, asian, and others it was all really good - would love to see him and his truck offer year round here
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wow, a trio of whites selling crypto-asian food from a truck! it makes the news! hehe.

an aside, down in sf, which has had trucks for years, the new interest of these sorts of youngish folks has pushed 'cart food' in all sorts of directions - just this weekend, there was sunday streets in the mission yesterday, local flavors market saturday, dirty-dishes (with carts setting up in bars) on thursday, and that's just the ones i hit. there's the fabric8 gallery food festival and homegrown festival, the mammoth underground market once a month, etc. basically, the food cart deal in sf, pushed by the same sorts of food entrepreneurs, have taken this thing pretty far forward.

in this sense, seems to me that no-funland ought to seriously rethink the draconian restrictions on these things, and high permitting cost. if it can thrive down in high-rent sf without killing restaurants and people, why not go for it?
But this city has to bow down to the NIMBY's....ugh, don't get me started on draconian restrictions.
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The main St. car-free day showed a few examples of food trucks. There was an all vegan kitchen and another one selling pakoras. And I think there was one selling gluten-free desserts.
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wasn't that a big complaint of the businesses along where the car free days are held?

that outside businesses were coming and setting up their food trucks and stuff and people were patronizing them and not the businesses who do their regular business on the street and they were actually losing out promised money due to higher business on that day...

but those trucks do show what can be done when it comes to street food
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well hopefully $43,000 isn't going to kill any of the street food

Pilot project winners face $43,000 fee for curbside parking

Fees for sidewalk cart vendors start at just $1,000 a year



The City of Vancouver is holding a lottery to award the following sidewalk and curbside locations to mobile food vendors.
Photograph by: Sungraphics, Vancouver Sun files

The winning applicants in the city's street food pilot project will face parking fees of at least $43,200 to secure the coveted downtown curbside locations through the end of April 2011.

Vancouver is accepting applications from mobile food vendors to fill 14 sidewalk spaces and three curbside spaces mostly on the downtown peninsula, Kitsilano Beach and Spanish Banks. The process is part of a pilot project intended to diversify the selection of healthy local foods available on the street beyond the current roster of hotdogs, popcorn and chestnuts.

All the spaces will be awarded by lottery, but the winning applicants for curbside spaces will be able to choose between a prime downtown location with metered parking or a non-metered location outside the downtown core. The city intends to recover all potential revenue from those metered spaces at a cost of $2,400 per month per metered space, said Grant Woff, Vancouver's acting manager of streets administration. A typical catering truck will require two to three parking spaces for the nine-month trial.

Applicants who win the right to a curbside location can opt for the less desirable non-metered space for a flat fee of $1,500 for the nine-month duration of the pilot.

"The only way we would agree to take one of those [metered] spaces is as a loss leader," said Jason Apple of Roaming Dragon, a truck-based gourmet Asian fusion food vendor doing business at Richmond's Night Market. "We would do it just to be the first gourmet food truck downtown, but it doesn't make a whole lot of economic sense."

Apple said that a vendor paying for metered parking space would have to sell 60 to 70 meals a day to cover that expense alone.

All street vendors are subject to a $1,004 annual licence fee.

Add to that the $125,000 to $200,000 cost of a catering truck and a commercial kitchen for food preparation and profit seems unlikely, Apple said. Nonetheless, Apple and his partner Jory Simkin are each preparing applications for the maximum of three locations.

All 17 vending locations will be awarded in a lottery to take place July 9. Two of those 14 sidewalk spaces are big enough to accommodate a small van or trailer with no additional fees beyond the annual street vendor permit fee paid by all of the city's 60 licensed street food vendors. The other 12 spaces will be awarded to vendors selling from mobile carts, generally measuring no more than 2.6 metres wide. A well-outfitted vending cart, with sink and refrigeration, costs $20,000 or more, said Apple.

The low cost of street vendor permits has long been an irritant to downtown businesses and restaurants, said Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association executive director Charles Gauthier.

"It's not that we object to street vendors, but we want those rates to be much higher," said Gauthier. "It's never going to get close to what a restaurant is going to pay in rent and property taxes, but three dollars a day [licence fee] is not much overhead."

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http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/...877/story.html
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I fear the start up costs and ridiculous fees the city are proposing will destroy the program and prevent a grassroots street food scene to blosom and grow organically. Given the outlay and competing with the city's fickle weather, it would make more sense to open a restaurant.

this city always seems to manage to eliminate the underdog and everythings becomes about money, which is why there is little variety in the city, can you say Donnelly group?

Too bad
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^^^actually it sounds quite reasonable to me... the city is only charging $1000 a year for sidewalk vendors (14 out of 17 spots). They're trying to keep it revenue neutral by charging the 3 curbside vendors for the amount of parking fees lost.

Thank goodness they didn't copy Toronto with their bureaucratic fiasco. It sounds like the DVBIA want the city to charge a lot more. I think this is a great first step and they'll be able to gather enough data to move forward. Once the novelty wears off will there be enough of a market to support these vendors? We shall see...

I think there ought to be a Richmond night style market on Granville selling clothes/food/trinkets all day Saturday and night. That would induce suburban types to visit downtown and get a taste of excitement (rather than just offering cheesy clubs).
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As the article states, the food truck vendor can also choose a non-metered spot outside the downtown core for $1500.

And we already have a vancouver night market on weekends - right in chinatown. It looks like CoV and the DVBIA will be putting buskers on granville st this summer anyway, before translink takes it over in the fall.

http://www.downtownvancouver.net/cat....php?cat_id=70

PS - Why do I see Spandy Andy everywhere in downtown now?
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i heard he had his stereo smashed by some douche bags - poor spandy
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from the Metro Newspaper

A lottery tomorrow morning will decide which of the more than 815 proposals will win one of 17 new food stall sites in Vancouver, a councillor said yesterday.

“There is a huge pent up desire for more exciting food on the street,” said Heather Deal.

City and health authority staff waded through the cornucopia of applications yesterday to ensure they complied with city and health requirements.

The city, she added, had only expected about 50 applications. One alternate will be drawn for each spot in case winning proposals are unable to operate before the end of July.

There has been some concern raised about competition from carts by restaurant owners and business improvement associations, Deal said


http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/lo...d-stall-frenzy
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How much do you guys want to bet that it will be the same old fare with a twist? Filtering for health concerns? Did they ever override the pre-cooked rules?
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Here's the full list of new locations:

* East Side of 200 Howe St – 100 metres North of W Cordova St: Chinese Dim Sum
* South Side of 400 W Georgia St – 12 metres East of Richards St: Korean food with meat and vegetarian options
* North Side of 700 W Cordova St – 14 metres East of Howe St: Burritos, whole wheat, rice, beans, sauces, fillings
* East Side of 700 Homer St – 20 metres South of W Georgia St: Chicken salad with lettuce, tomato. Fruit cup with melon, kiwi and mixed fruit.
* East Side of 700 Hornby St – 22 metres South of W Georgia St: Southern BBQ, Rice, Veggies
* South Side of 700 W Georgia St – 20 metres West of Granville St: Traditional Chinese and Japanese Cuisine
* South Side of 900 W Hastings St – 24 metres East of Burrard St: Skewers of beef and pork
* West Side of 1100 Burrard St – 28 metres South of Helmcken St: Greek Donair
* West Side of 1100 Burrard St – 25 metres North of Davie St: Modern Satay Barbeque
* South Side of 2000 Beach Av – 30 metres West of Chilco St: Fresh squeezed Lemonade
* East Side of 600 Granville St – 50 metres North of W Georgia St: Fresh Bakery
* West Side of 600 Granville St – 95 metres North of W Georgia St: Healthy meals & snacks, roll ups, sandwiches
* East Side of 6400 Cambie St – 20 metres North of W 49th Ave: Specialty noodles
* East Side of 1300 Main St – 12 metres North of Terminal Ave: Falafel
* West Side of 1100 Station St, or West Side of 400 Burrard St: Authentic Italian stone ground pizza
* West Side of 1200-1300 Arbutus St, or North Side of 1000 W Georgia St: Fresh & frozen fruits, chocolate dipped fruits
* West Side of 1400 NW Marine Dr, or East Side of 800 Hornby St: Central European foods from Poland, Russia, using local organic products, borscht, schnitzel

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Luckily, the options are varied and not randomly "uniform" as feared.
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cool when can they start opening?
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cool when can they start opening?
July 31 st. My concern is that since vendors were selected by a lottery, they may not have a realistic business plan in place and some may fall through or not stack up to expectations.

Rather than a lottery, the city should have looked at the proposals and short list entries based on a defined set of criteria.

We shall have to see....
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July 31 st. My concern is that since vendors were selected by a lottery, they may not have a realistic business plan in place and some may fall through or not stack up to expectations.

Rather than a lottery, the city should have looked at the proposals and short list entries based on a defined set of criteria.

We shall have to see....
Well the CoV had admitted that they had no qualifications to select based on food and culinary palates so they felt that given their own limitations, a lottery was fairer.

Anyways, here's more insight to the whole process from Scoutmagazine.ca:http://scoutmagazine.ca/2010/07/09/t...-should-worry/
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i saw an article that some of them were ready and could start asap - hopefully they were chosen
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July 31 st. My concern is that since vendors were selected by a lottery, they may not have a realistic business plan in place and some may fall through or not stack up to expectations.

Rather than a lottery, the city should have looked at the proposals and short list entries based on a defined set of criteria.

We shall have to see....
I wonder if some of the 'business plans' were to get a location & open a humdrum stand that doesn't stay open for very long, and then sub-let the space to a different vendor that is popular (more JapaDogs?) who didn't get a location & who will pay a higher sub-lease price for the space.
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i wonder but i think the city would see that coming?

but how can a lemonade stand be a good idea? to commit to a full year selling lemonade? who is going to want lemonade in january?
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