Wanting Nice Things and Discrimination

[s211]

Originally Posted by craner

Just heard a story about this yesterday, probably came up during Grey Cup.
Apparently an Inuit group wants the Eskimos to change their name.

And next up, we'll need a committee to evaluate the cultural insensitivity of calling ticket-resellers "scalpers".

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by craner

Just heard a story about this yesterday, probably came up during Grey Cup.
Apparently an Inuit group wants the Eskimos to change their name.

But what about those who had one parent of Native American origin (i.e. with "red" skin), and one of African origin... certainly the RedBlacks must be in the cultural insensitivity crosshairs now.

Maybe we should just call teams the "Edmonton Football Club" and "Ottawa Football Club"... but of course those afflicted with Congenital Talipes Equinovarus (aka Club Foot) might have something to say.

Anyway, now back to the stories and pics of this awesome arena and district

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by HighwayStar

But what about those who had one parent of Native American origin (i.e. with "red" skin), and one of African origin... certainly the RedBlacks must be in the cultural insensitivity crosshairs now.

RedBlacks refers to the lumberjack jackets in the red and black pattern. It has nothing to do with redskins and African-Canadians. Eskimos on the other hand comes from an epithet that draws a direct and derogatory allusion to the northern people as being savages. The name came to be used by Calgarian athletes referring to Edmonton athletes in early competitions when Canadians were not too concerned about being viewed as oppressive and genocidal. Edmonton athletes responded by calling Calgarian athletes "Cowboys" and hence we have the Calgary Stampeders.

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by s211

And next up, we'll need a committee to evaluate the cultural insensitivity of calling ticket-resellers "scalpers".

lol.......


Substitute phrase could be......Hey pal..."Are you a shave off the top"

[Airboy]

reading a couple of northern message boards. Most say they really don't care as there are more important issues to deal with. It is a small group of Inuit that commented on the name change, the same group that asked a few years ago as well.

[SHOFEAR]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

RedBlacks refers to the lumberjack jackets in the red and black pattern. It has nothing to do with redskins and African-Canadians. Eskimos on the other hand comes from an epithet that draws a direct and derogatory allusion to the northern people as being savages. The name came to be used by Calgarian athletes referring to Edmonton athletes in early competitions when Canadians were not too concerned about being viewed as oppressive and genocidal. Edmonton athletes responded by calling Calgarian athletes "Cowboys" and hence we have the Calgary Stampeders.

Derogatory? Savages? Your joking right? There is no negative connection to be made other than chilly temperatures.


This oversensitivity shit is getting out of control. There are obviously too many people with nothing better to do than find fake outrage in everything.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

Derogatory? Savages? Your joking right? There is no negative connection to be made other than chilly temperatures.


This oversensitivity shit is getting out of control. There are obviously too many people with nothing better to do than find fake outrage in everything.

Perhaps it would we wise to take a trip back to the 1890s, from which the epithet comes from. Yes, chilly temperatures are a big feature but what is also insinuated is that they are savage. Similarly, when Edmontonians called Calgarians cowboys, we did not mean that they simply herded cattle, but they were also wild and far from civilisation. The difference is that Calgarians are fond of the portrayal of them as cowboys; Edmontonians are not fond of the portrayal of them as native Canadians. Well, unless you are, but for the most part they live in the poor neighbourhoods, with some who can achieve the middle class life while a large number (relative to other populations) live in poverty.

Also, it is not fake outrage if it has been a complaint that has been around for more than a century. If there is fake outrage to be found here, it is your tantrum at the offense of having to think about others.

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Also, it is not fake outrage if it has been a complaint that has been around for more than a century. If there is fake outrage to be found here, it is your tantrum at the offense of having to think about others.

The linguistic origins of the word Eskimo are not offensive.... much in the same way "RedBlacks" is now.... however I guarantee you in a decade or two someone, somewhere will come to realize just how "offensive" that term is to them.

I doubt the vast, vast, vast majority of people mean anything offensive when saying "Edmonton Eskimos".... it's simply a catchy name.

I fully agree it is time to stop this over-sensitivity.

[Rocket252]

I was going to suggest we rename the team from the Eskimos to the RoughRiders.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by HighwayStar

The linguistic origins of the word Eskimo are not offensive....

Eh, if you think it only means "snowshoe-netter", then you would be missing out on what the Cree language carries with such a term. Askimew is strongly associated with the Wihtigo lore, given that eating raw meat is used by the Cree and other northern Algonquin peoples' lores as a sign of the Wihtigo psychosis. Inuit do eat raw meat but only because it is wasteful to try cooking the meat and that it is safe for them to eat the meat raw.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

Most people call them the Esks or Eskies anyway. So if a name change is needed, there ya go.

[Xelebes]

From Cree dictionary, Eskie can mean:

Raw (Aski)
Land, World, Earth, Soil, Terra Firma (Askiy)
It be green (Askihtakwaw)

Just some ideas.

[Spliff]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Eh, if you think it only means "snowshoe-netter", then you would be missing out on what the Cree language carries with such a term. Askimew is strongly associated with the Wihtigo lore, given that eating raw meat is used by the Cree and other northern Algonquin peoples' lores as a sign of the Wihtigo psychosis. Inuit do eat raw meat but only because it is wasteful to try cooking the meat and that it is safe for them to eat the meat raw.

If this over-sensitivity continues, then the following teams will need to change their names:

Notre Dame Fighting Irish (derogatory description of irish people that stereotypes them as fighters, especially after drinking too much)

Calgary Stampeders (the Stampede is abusing animals, especially the chuckwagon races where horses have consistently been killed being involved in a sport against their will)

UBC Thunderbirds (the totem pole is sacred to west coast native people and using it for a sports team name is offensive)

UVIC Vikings (Vikings were known for raping and pillaging foreign lands and using their name glorifies attrocities against innocent people)

Toronto Maple Leafs (the Maple Leaf is a symbol of the government of Canada. Canada was created in part due to the systematic annihilation of native aboriginal cultures in North America, through residential schools and in east North America, large scale genocide. The Maple Leaf, as the symbol on the Canadian flag, is offensive to the native people whose land was stolen and who have suffered for generations under an occupying illegal government)

[Hallsy's Toupee]

UVic changed their team names from the Vikings and Vikettes to the Vikes years ago because of the implied sexism. Personally they should have just changed the women's teams from Vikettes to Valkyries.

[SHOFEAR]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Perhaps it would we wise to take a trip back to the 1890s, from which the epithet comes from. Yes, chilly temperatures are a big feature but what is also insinuated is that they are savage. Similarly, when Edmontonians called Calgarians cowboys, we did not mean that they simply herded cattle, but they were also wild and far from civilisation. The difference is that Calgarians are fond of the portrayal of them as cowboys; Edmontonians are not fond of the portrayal of them as native Canadians. Well, unless you are, but for the most part they live in the poor neighbourhoods, with some who can achieve the middle class life while a large number (relative to other populations) live in poverty.

Also, it is not fake outrage if it has been a complaint that has been around for more than a century. If there is fake outrage to be found here, it is your tantrum at the offense of having to think about others.

So Calgarians starting calling us that, rather than distancing ourselves from it, we embraced it. If anything, the fact that we embraced it shows the intentions were anything but negative.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Spliff

If this over-sensitivity continues, then the following teams will need to change their names:

Notre Dame Fighting Irish (derogatory description of irish people that stereotypes them as fighters, especially after drinking too much)

It was the Irish immigrants who set up that university.

Calgary Stampeders (the Stampede is abusing animals, especially the chuckwagon races where horses have consistently been killed being involved in a sport against their will)

Stampeders is a reference to the Cowboys for which Calgarians have embraced as part of their cultural identity. Speaking for the animals is going to be weird. If Calgary chooses to do away with the Cowboy identity, I can see them changing.

UBC Thunderbirds (the totem pole is sacred to west coast native people and using it for a sports team name is offensive)

Maybe. We'll have to keep our ears open.

UVIC Vikings (Vikings were known for raping and pillaging foreign lands and using their name glorifies attrocities against innocent people)

It is odd. However, I would defer to the voices in the Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Icelandic immigrant communities.

Toronto Maple Leafs (the Maple Leaf is a symbol of the government of Canada. Canada was created in part due to the systematic annihilation of native aboriginal cultures in North America, through residential schools and in east North America, large scale genocide. The Maple Leaf, as the symbol on the Canadian flag, is offensive to the native people whose land was stolen and who have suffered for generations under an occupying illegal government)

Well, first thing is first. The maple leaf as a national symbol will have to be replaced before Toronto can be too ashamed for bearing that symbol. And I don't see that being replaced until there is a civil war where we come to regret that past. Then it would be like teams bearing the Southern Cross of America.

[CMD UW]

Xelebes, stop, just stop....

[bulliver]

Fucking hilarious. Those of you who say there's no racism intended are being willfully stupid. And second, do none of you see the irony in a bunch of rich white guys deciding what an indigenous group should and shouldn't be offended by?



It's just a stupid fucking name. Not even a particularily good one. Super easy to change. Some people are offended by it whether you find it justified or not. How about for once in our lives we stop being cunts and telling other cultural groups what they should or shouldn't think.

You guys really are a bunch of twats sometimes.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by bulliver

Fucking hilarious. Those of you who say there's no racism intended are being willfully stupid. And second, do none of you see the irony in a bunch of rich white guys deciding what an indigenous group should and shouldn't be offended by?



It's just a stupid fucking name. Not even a particularily good one. Super easy to change. Some people are offended by it whether you find it justified or not. How about for once in our lives we stop being cunts and telling other cultural groups what they should or shouldn't think.

You guys really are a bunch of twats sometimes.

I agree with you 100%. That said, I just looked at my crotch and yup my balls and banger are still there so I am not a twat.

[Black Star]

Picture is offside. But it is circa 1965 and they didn't know better.

There is simply no issue with the Eskimos name. (Case closed)

Next on the docket. The Cowboy looks like Hoss Cartright!