One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that this tower will be quite a bit taller than 400 feet. The 400-foot height limit only applies to the roof line, and is exclusive of mechanical penthouses and screening. Unfortunately, I can't find anything revealing the total height of the tower.
Just eyeballing it, the crown seems to be about 7 stories in height, which could add another 60-70 feet to the total height above 400. You can see in the latest redesign that the roofline stayed the same, but the total tower got taller:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that this tower will be quite a bit taller than 400 feet. The 400-foot height limit only applies to the roof line, and is exclusive of mechanical penthouses and screening. Unfortunately, I can't find anything revealing the total height of the tower.
Just eyeballing it, the crown seems to be about 7 stories in height, which could add another 60-70 feet to the total height above 400. You can see in the latest redesign that the roofline stayed the same, but the total tower got taller
If you look at the renderings on the previous page, it appears to be only slightly shorter than ORH 2!
I've been following this one over the past year, occasionally checking in on the DBI permit database. Exactly one year ago, the developers changed the design and got a one-year extension to start construction that expired today.
They've been working to get their permits issued, but it's been taking a very long time. Yesterday, just as the extension was about to expire, they finally got their building permit issued, and paid for another extension through December 25, 2013:
Thanks minesweeper. Love this building. It looks like the glass on low-rise portion of the building will be reminiscent of 55 Ninth street aka AVA - both are designed by the same architect (SCB).
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^oh yeah, I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out.
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Why does this thread list the address as 375 Fremont when it is actually 399? Isn't 375 the Californian, another project?
It looks like the building will include both addresses, with the midrise at the location of 375 Fremont, and the tower located at 399 Fremont. And the Californian was the old name for this same tower, back when the design was different. Check the first post of this thread
^oh yeah, I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out. It looks like the building will include both addresses, with the midrise at the location of 375 Fremont, and the tower located at 399 Fremont. And the Californian was the old name for this same tower, back when the design was different. Check the first post of this thread
Got it--thanks--it's been such a long haul on this one! There is one more tall tower planned for the area though and its design has morphed too.
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In other news, Socketsite blurbs about the similar 399 Fremont - that its latest extension is coming due. A reader comments that UDR purchased the development rights.
I dig the crown, especially if the glass is to be lit from the interior at night like in the renders. One thing SF really does need is more interesting crowns.
From a page back.
I also get the feeling that this is the type of building that will look better in person than in the renders.
I am going to put forward a guess that the low rise will be 375 Fremont and the tower is 399 Fremont, which may explain some prior confusion.
I dig the crown, especially if the glass is to be lit from the interior at night like in the renders. One thing SF really does need is more interesting crowns.
From a page back.
I also get the feeling that this is the type of building that will look better in person than in the renders.
I am going to put forward a guess that the low rise will be 375 Fremont and the tower is 399 Fremont, which may explain some prior confusion.
As detailed on Attachment 11 or Page 23 of our supplement, we are actively in process of reloading our development pipeline with a number of projects. We expect to announce a new start or 2 later in the fourth quarter or early first quarter of 2014. Additional starts can be expected as 2014 unfolds. For us, development continues to represent a very positive risk-adjusted use of capital.
One of those projects in Attachment 11 is 399 Fremont, which is in the "Design Development" phase. Based on when their building permit expires (12/25/2013), it makes sense that this will break ground before the end of the year.
Some other items of note from UDR's earnings call about San Francisco:
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San Francisco remains strong despite some difficult seasonal slowing. We are seeing good demand in the city proper and our Mission Bay development is pre-leasing very well.
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Mission Bay, the initial deliveries are going to be this quarter as scheduled, but given the high number of deliveries that we had, unit deliveries in November and December from a construction standpoint, we simply pushed some of these units into January and February.
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It's the same building. Socketsite has this as 399 Fremont, but the title here says 375 Fremont. Not sure what's going on here.
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