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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 1:59 AM
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Let's see, according to that graphic the footprint is about 2 blocks. Yeah right.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 3:35 AM
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There was a story about this Tower today on NY1 News. It seems people who live around the lot where this tower will be built have a big problem with a 1,250 foot Tower in the area. I can understand what they mean but this will be a great addition to the Midtown Skyline and it won't need the help of a spire to add height to it. If anyone wants to check out the video clip from NY1 here it is.

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 4:57 AM
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Those statements are getting almost comical..

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Taken on a practical basis, it's out of relationship with the surrounding buildings and I haven't seen anything at the street or lower levels that respects the life on the street," said Midtown resident Daly Reville.

Reville's apartment looks out onto the lot, which real estate developer Hines bought from the Museum of Modern Art as the site for the tower. Plans call for the building to be part residential and part hotel, with three new gallery spaces for MoMA. In fact, the museum even has the plans on display in its lobby.

"Suddenly it's an 82 or 84-story building depending on who's counting and that's totally unacceptable. It's the height of the Empire State Building on a side street," Siegel said.

While no one from the developer's office was available for an on-camera interview, it did release a statement saying, "We continue to work diligently on the various approvals required for the project -- including the comprehensive review by City Planning which allows for public input."

The proposal already has the approval of the Manhattan Borough President. The City Planning Commission is also expected to vote on the plan September 9th, and would then go before the City Council.
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"Suddenly it's an 82 or 84-story building depending on who's counting and that's totally unacceptable. It's the height of the Empire State Building on a side street," Siegel said.
ESB is over 200 ft taller....with 20 more floors....
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 5:27 AM
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ESB is over 200 ft taller....with 20 more floors....
They're both 1,250 ft, but the Empire State has the antenna on top.
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ESB is over 200 ft taller....with 20 more floors....
Your forgetting that today, buildings are built with higher floors than they were in the 1930's. Also, the actual last habitable floor (75 or 82) in this tower will be roughly at 1,000 to 1,050 feet with the rest reaching up to the distinguished point at 1,250 feet. Also, the Empire State building technically does not have any actual habitable floors between 86 and 102. The last habitable floor in the Empire State Building is the 86th floor which is the observatory level, beyond that is the access through the spire up to the 102nd floor where the highest vantage point from the entire building is. MOMA will still have higher floor to floor heights than the Empire State Building overall.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 5:46 AM
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It's the height of the Empire State Building on a side street," Siegel said.
So what? I'm tired of this BS argument. Because the ESB takes up half a block, it's just as much, if not more a 'side street building' than TV will be.



The bulk of the ESB is farther along the side streets than TV will be.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 5:00 PM
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The bulk of the ESB is farther along the side streets than TV will be.
Also, the Empire State is about 3 times the size of the Tower Verre, so comparing the height is a little misleading when they talk about the enormous "size".

...and right on cue, I find this beauty...

http://no2moma.com/Home.html

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2009, 5:11 PM
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A little more on our crafty "enemies", and their desperate attempts to derail this tower...
http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/3973

MoMA Makes for Bad Neighbor

East | 8.05.09 | Matt Chaban

A group of Midtown residents and concerned citizens, many from the West 54th/55th Street Block Association, have been the leading opponents of Jean Nouvel’s MoMA tower. They have been very vocal during hearings at Landmarks and, just a few weeks ago, City Planning Commission. Now, The Coalition for Responsible Midtown Development, as the group is calling itself, have launched a website, no2moma.com. There, they succinctly recast their previous opposition to the project–light & shadows, traffic & congestion, out-sized & ugly–as well as presenting a six minute documentary that makes the group’s best case yet. Our favorite part is the clip above, where the Nouvel tower rises, Frankenstein-like, from “a lot no bigger than a McDonald’s drive-thru.” The full video is after the jump, but, given statements made by some commissioners during a meeting Monday, all this flash and frustration may be too little too late.

At the very end of Monday’s scheduled City Planning Commission meeting, the commissioners held an impromptu discussion of the project they were presented at the hearing two weeks ago. Impromptu because the full discussion, and likely the vote, will all come at the next scheduled meeting on the matter September 9. Still, the commissioners are clearly struck by this project, it’s Pritzker Prize-winning architect, its heavyweight patron, its skyline-altering design. But as before, the discussion centered on the design and not its surrounding impact, which is the overwhelming concern of the tower’s opposition.

Asked by fellow commissioner Kenneth Knuckles how she would be voting on the project, chair Amanda Burden gamely demurred, saying she was withholding judgment until the actual vote. And yet at the same time, she seemed to be leaning strongly in favor of the project. “We’re an optimistic city, we’re a skyscraper city, so this project would not be out of place” Burden said. “It must be iconic, it must be distinguished. To get to that height in the sky, it’s got to be great. I don’t have a problem with the height. But let’s see it, and see where it falls with the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building and if it deserves it.”

Burden added, underscoring the commission’s concern with preserving the building as designed over other issues, “It’s very important how we memorialize and freeze critical design elements.” This way, the commissioners believe, and the applicant, Hines, seems to agree, Nouvel’s tower and nothing else would or even could be built there.
It’s a valid concern (see: Frank Gehry, Atlantic Yards), but for the building’s neighbors nowhere near the top of the list. Perhaps the coalition should have brought this video with them last month, as it might have helped sway the commission in its favor. Then again, there’s always the City Council, where Speaker Christine Quinn, in whose district the project lies, has yet to take a position. Perhaps she’s more of a cinephile than Burden. The coalition had better hope so.

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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 10:27 PM
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Please don't shoot me for sharing my opinion, but I have always thought that the Empire State Building's scale is WAY too big for that neighborhood. It's disappointing that groups were not in place in 1929 to block its construction. The Empire State Building, Chrysler Building and Rockefeller Center were unfortunately allowed to forever change the character of the city. Buildings of this scale have increased congestion in an already overcrowded city and were allowed to overwhelm the streetscape. Nothing taller than 600 feet should have ever been built there.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2009, 11:23 PM
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wow, talk about a horse that has long left the barn....!

not to mention rather odd remarks coming from a 'mrskyline!'

however, to your point, my opinion is that given where the bedrock is located tall buildings in midtown manhattan were inevitable. and looking at the bigger picture what better and more appropriate place to build them than manhattan (outside of hong kong much later on)? plus, of course post 9/11 we are, well if not desperate, then at least "pent up" for a new supertall like tower verre.

ahh well, if its any consolation to you sky, most new nyc tower heights seem hover around 600 feet these days anyways.
     
     
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Please don't shoot me for sharing my opinion, but I have always thought that the Empire State Building's scale is WAY too big for that neighborhood. It's disappointing that groups were not in place in 1929 to block its construction. The Empire State Building, Chrysler Building and Rockefeller Center were unfortunately allowed to forever change the character of the city. Buildings of this scale have increased congestion in an already overcrowded city and were allowed to overwhelm the streetscape. Nothing taller than 600 feet should have ever been built there.
I think we have a NIMBY spy on our hands.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2009, 9:36 PM
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I think we have a NIMBY spy on our hands.
I think it was meant as a joke. Or at least it should have been...


http://gothamist.com/2009/08/06/moma_tower.php

Should This Monster Building Overshadow MoMA?

The law firm repping the tower released a statement saying, "To clarify, the height of the new [MoMA/Hines] building at its very top is 1,250 feet. There will be 85 total stories, but only 82 occupiable stories. The top three stories contain mechanical elements. As a comparison, the top floor of the Empire State Building (102nd floor) is 1,250 feet in height, but the top of its spire is 1,454 feet." At a recent meeting concerning the project, architect Jean Nouvel declared, "I have the ambition to create a new landmark in the city---a landmark of our epoch."

The proposal has been approved by the Manhattan Borough President already, with the City Planning Commission expected to vote on September 9th, prior to going before the City Council.
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Good news. One more score vs the unreasonable a**holes.
     
     
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Yeah, move to Long Island. Or better, yet, move to LA!!!
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